if i need a design for my site in ASP or PHP,

site would consist of - 7 Pages
- Forum
- chat
- 3 pages of links ( dynamic )
- web mail
- online DB management ( isers, Banners,Links,Mail).

would it cost an arm and a leg ?

and which is better ? to go for an ASP design or PHP ?

im a :puke: newbie, so don't mind the Terms :D

php&mysql can handle all of that. And it want cost you much :)

Php...use PHP.

ASP simply costs to much to develop correctly while you can acomplish the exact same thing with php and mysql at a fraction of the cost.

I don't think so php and mySQL is the way to go..

Here is an estimate price:

php and mySQL
Php and mySQL Hosting from AletiaHosting for 1 Year = US$100
Domain Name = US$15 from Dotster
Website Development Costs = US$350
Total = US$465

ASP and ACCESS
ASP and Access Hosting from ReadyHosting.com for 1 Year = US$100
Domain Name = US$15 from Dotster
Website Development costs in ASP/Access = US$350
Total = US$465

US$350 is just an estimated price, however it can be lower than it or may be higher.

So it costs the same and nothing much more. Now can anyone tell me the difference ?

:D

Access like any other MS product is buggy and can be insecure...

It is not!
It is you how you take it!

There are two ways, depends on which one you follow!

First is you improve and customize it at a high extent what you were provided with!

Second is you don't make any changes and let thing work as it was, hence compromising with what you were provided with!

:)

Aloha
well I am not a PHP programer but a CF and ASP one (basic stuff not a killer app maker) but I would say for this project you can not use access you would have to use SQL

go with php on this job !!!!

you have to either want a special feature of ASP adn win2k to sue it if it is a question on a smaller site then go with PHP
if you are running a large site that gets millions of hits tons if dynamic data you would want a industrail DB such as SYbase (lower end) or SQL etc....
adn then the PHP or ASP or CF would come into play as what your developer can do for you.
if you want to integrate word docs etc... and you know your clients will work with these ASP is killer for this .

Regarding costs: if you're doing the development yourself, then php is much cheaper. With asp, you have to pay for the OS, and all the development software including VB or C++, MSsql, IIS to run and test it, etc. If you're farming it out, then the costs may be equivalent as Omair mentioned. Find someone you trust and go either way. However, even if you are farming out the work, consider that you may want to do updates on your own in the future. Do you want to pay a bundle for all the Microsoft dev tools, or do you want to go the free route of Linux?

PHP may give you a slight edge is where you'll host the site as well. The percentage of hosting that supports PHP is higher than the percentage of hosting supporting ASP, in my opinion so if price shopping is a factor you're looking at...

Greg Moore

personally, i always choose the open source solution ahead of the microsoft solution...

php & mysql is pretty easy to learn and you aren't stuck using crappy ms databases...

Originally posted by fuzzy71
if i need a design for my site in ASP or PHP,

site would consist of - 7 Pages
- Forum
- chat
- 3 pages of links ( dynamic )
- web mail
- online DB management ( isers, Banners,Links,Mail).

would it cost an arm and a leg ?

and which is better ? to go for an ASP design or PHP ?


I would personally recommend PHP, because an Access backed site is going to be slow if your site has any popularity.

As for the cost, if you get someone to use free GPL programs in one bundle, it can be cheap. If you pay someone for the whole thing custom & integrated, I see that it becomes expensive.

A good forum, chat, web-mail is not an easy task and can take several months.

I say anywhere from 1 000 to 100 000

I would definately do it in PHP. I'm learning it now, and its stable, fast with a mysql backend. It's the way to go, and a lot of servers support it (LINUX).

-Kyle

>>- Forum

php forums like phorum.org, phpbb, xmb

>>- chat

java applet ( connected to a free irc) - see jpilot.com
php chat is slow - much less features

>>- 3 pages of links ( dynamic )

nothing like php

>> web mail

do you want to offer users mail like hotmail ?

www.bigbox.com
www.netmongol.com

( or if you can afford or get ads www.everyone.net )

>>-online DB management ( isers, Banners,Links,Mail).

php and MySQL


>>-would it cost an arm and a leg ?
NO !
to start with see below - you can move to higher plans as your site becomes more pop

www.affordablehost.com - $69 annually
www.valuablehost.com - $35 annually
www.tera-byte.com - $99 annually ( HAVE THE FUN OF BOTH PHP AND ASP)
www.discount-hosting.com - $10 annually ( no perl, no support)
www.aletiahosting.com - $99 annually ( great forums)
www.dezines.com - $19 per month - also annual package

The positives and negatives :

** aletia has the best price-features ratio and great forums.but no cheaper price options like the others.
** tera-byte - greatest bandwidth offer but bandwidth metering and billing has been questioned too many times in this forum , recent Ensim and Ram probs unanswered by Steve though over all a very popular host
** valuablehost - was very popular in these forums till recently.If guaranteed uptimes and smooth mail function comes back - very kewl
** discount-hosting - $10 annually - what have you to lose ?
** dezines.com - host of features, live chat support everyday, not much discussed in wht but worth taking a look at
** affordablehost.com - forums are little bit quiet but support email fantastic , fast servers, good uptime though I wish there was a 99.99% uptime guarantee , and NO cpanel - the reason why I love them most :)

A good php forum also is OpenBB from www.openBB.net . :)

-Kyle

Just to clarify a bit: using ASP does not mean you're stuck with Access. You can just as easily use MS SQL as a back end to Active Server Pages. Also, someone implied that that Access bogs down with a large number of users. That's not the case. Access bogs down with a large number of tables. For a small db, Access and ASP is a perfectly acceptable solution. Of course, it still costs a bundle more than php and mysql if you're doing the development yourself.

Shut your eyes and go with PHP, by far PHP is the most efficient scripting language and the most flexible language i've ever used. Cant say that for ASP as it requries tons of custom components to work properly.


Regards,

Asher.

Originally posted by tilt!
Just to clarify a bit: using ASP does not mean you're stuck with Access. You can just as easily use MS SQL as a back end to Active Server Pages. Also, someone implied that that Access bogs down with a large number of users. That's not the case. Access bogs down with a large number of tables. For a small db, Access and ASP is a perfectly acceptable solution. Of course, it still costs a bundle more than php and mysql if you're doing the development yourself.

Aloha
very true about ASP
although access bogs when multiple users are concurent (spelling) more than around 15-20 users trying to pull info at one time it will chug to a halt
if it is setup in a way as to cache the info (it being ASP) then you are OK but access is not a web DB you would do much better using MySQL or something
having 20 concurent connections can be a bit of traffic and one that most people do not face ;)