Hi, I want to order a server to expand my hosting business, but i dunno which way to go.... Anybody can give me opinion?

*I hav CPanel/WHM experience and basic Linux skills.

The below are my choices.

Dinix.com VPS 200 (VPS)
7 Gb Hard Drive Space
75 Gb of premium bandwidth
Cpanel/WHM
4 GB Max RAM
2 Ips included
$54.94

or


Nocster.com (Dedicated)
P3 800MHZ
512MB PC133
20GB/9GB
100GB/MONTH
$49.95 + 9.95 Cpanel

I would suggest the VPS as it will include managment as well as RAID

Rgds

Rus

Incorrect, The Nocster server is also managed.

http://www.nocster.net/policy/managed.shtml

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BurstNET
[B]Incorrect, The Nocster server is also managed.

Hi sir, if i order server from your comapany, is it everything software (Apache,mysql, firewall etc) are ready configured to us? bcoz i not much experience to configure server

Originally posted by 0218
Hi sir, if i order server from your comapany, is it everything software (Apache,mysql, firewall etc) are ready configured to us? bcoz i not much experience to configure server

I guess all of them will be installed, but if you dont know anything about server management....just go with VPS, because all servers with basic managed only come with basic service, if you know nothing....then it's gonna be a problem:)

Even if it's managed, you still need to do most of the stuff youself. Even on a VPS you have to I believe. Go with shared hosting or even a reseller account if you want until you can handle most of it. With a VPS though, everything runs a lot smoother out of the box than with a dedicated server.

I'd take a server rather than a VPS if I were you.

Originally posted by 93.3
Even if it's managed, you still need to do most of the stuff youself. Even on a VPS you have to I believe. Go with shared hosting or even a reseller account if you want until you can handle most of it. With a VPS though, everything runs a lot smoother out of the box than with a dedicated server.

Yup, it's gonna be better idea. Get shared hosting or reseller if you want to host some websites, but if you want to learn server management while host your sites..it's ok to use VPS

The real definition of "managed" is a bit nebulous and varies a lot between providers. Even if I wasn't aware of their less than stellar reputation in this area, I wouldn't imagine Nocster would be doing much management at that price.

With the VPS you're on a box with several other customers, and the way Virtuozzo (which Dinix uses) works, you're less isolated from the main kernel, so I imagine it would have to be well managed. OTOH, the initial install and some of the patching/maintenance is done by SWSoft themselves, so any problems that arize may not be dealt with promptly (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1694711#post1694711).

So take your pick...nothing's perfect. If I were you, I'd probably try Dinix and then move to a real dedicated at someplace like ServerMatrix when you outgrew the VPS.

I'd go with Dinix.

I'd go with Dinix and when you outgrow them, go with ServerMatrix

I'd go with Dinix and when you outgrow them, go with ServerMatrix
As if. I'd go with Dinix and when you outgrow your VPS, upgrade to a dedicated server, also from Dinix.

Brandon

Originally posted by cbtrussell
As if. I'd go with Dinix and when you outgrow your VPS, upgrade to a dedicated server, also from Dinix.

So what do you do when you outgrow catch phrases from 1987?

:D

Use one from 1990? ;)

<< Even if I wasn't aware of their less than stellar reputation in this area, I wouldn't imagine Nocster would be doing much management at that price. >>

Really? I tend to remember many threads on WHT (do a search in the past month or two...) of clients praising us for going above and beyond the call of duty in managing their service. We have some complaints about some network issues here and there, but no one is questionning our level of support and competance of our techs.

Regardless, for this reason we have an actual "Definition of Managed Service" we provide, so clients know exactly what they will be receiving. Whether our techs choose to go beyond that and assist further is on a case by case basis, but at the very minimum you are guaranteed a certain level of support/management.

I think you can get a good handle of how well their management is by looking at this thread - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=223372 . I personally have been VERY pleased with everything Nocster has done for both my personal server and clients in terms of management over the past year and 3 months (Yep - I've been with them for 1.25 years, and couldn't be happier :D )

-Josh

IMO, I recommend you take the VPS 1st, but if u confident to handle the dedicated server, just go a head to Nocster.
But i m not the client of nocter, so no idea to their services.
but both of them seem like hav good reputation in forum.

I'd take server rather than VPS. That way, I can learn to manage server :P

I think if you want to learn to manage a server, I suggest take VPS first.

Originally posted by 0218
Hi, I want to order a server to expand my hosting business, but i dunno which way to go.... Anybody can give me opinion?

*I hav CPanel/WHM experience and basic Linux skills.

The below are my choices.

(VPS)
7 Gb Hard Drive Space
75 Gb of premium bandwidth
Cpanel/WHM
4 GB Max RAM
2 Ips included
$54.94

or

(Dedicated)
P3 800MHZ
512MB PC133
20GB/9GB
100GB/MONTH
$49.95 + 9.95 Cpanel

The answer is clear = Dedicated

Learning to manage a server with a VPS is like learning to drive with a go cart.

I reply your PM already... Check it out.

I think VPS is more suitable for you if you are beginner in Linux.

Personally I have heard very good things about both .
I'm not usre the technology dinix uses , but if your VPS provider uses UML , ask them (in advance) if they will provide you with the FS image once you move on , that way once you move you can install UML on your new dedicated server (or UML based VPS provider) and have a next to seamless (excluding some IP address changing , etc.) move over.

Originally posted by UltraUnixNET
I'd go with Dinix.

Nocster is good but I recommend Dinix too, nocster just needs to work on a few things, like better support, they have so many OPERATORS who keep forwarding you to another OPERATOR.. its just maddness, also without sending an email you cannot talk to an operator on an issue, personal experience.

I would go with Nocster. You can get a better deal if you go with a reseller.

Nocster's support is top notch! They have improved GREATLY since last summer and all I see is improvements.

<< they have so many OPERATORS who keep forwarding you to another OPERATOR >>

???
What is an operator?

Considering the fact that I sign the payroll checks around here, you would think I would know if we had some of them employed at our company!

You're quite obviously mistaken/mis-informed.

<< its just maddness, also without sending an email you cannot talk to an operator on an issue >>

Let's assume that you are referring to tech support as an "operator", though that doesn't make sense either...but regardless, NOCSTER does NOT offer phone support, hence why of course you would have to send an email or open a support ticket.

Something just a little odd with your comments...

Originally posted by BurstNET
<< its just maddness, also without sending an email you cannot talk to an operator on an issue >>

Let's assume that you are referring to tech support as an "operator", though that doesn't make sense either...but regardless, NOCSTER does NOT offer phone support, hence why of course you would have to send an email or open a support ticket.

Something just a little odd with your comments...

hey.. you need to improve your billing system and integrate the ticket system into it, that way its more secure, Its unbeliveable to see you respond here so fast but when an email is sent in, it takes 24-72 hours, and it takes 24-x hours for the server to setup.

Originally posted by ******
hey.. you need to improve your billing system and integrate the ticket system into it, that way its more secure, Its unbeliveable to see you respond here so fast but when an email is sent in, it takes 24-72 hours, and it takes 24-x hours for the server to setup.

How long has it been since you have done business with them? I have 10+ servers with Nocster and I couldn't be happier! Server setup time is usually under 24 hours. I had one setup in 5 hours once. Support response time is within 30 minutes.

There billing system is fine. PayPal payments are now credited automatically. I like it now.

I see no problems with BustNet/Nocster and unless you have a server there right now (which I doubt), you really have no right to flame the company.

Originally posted by HiyaCorp
How long has it been since you have done business with them? I have 10+ servers with Nocster and I couldn't be happier! Server setup time is usually under 24 hours. I had one setup in 5 hours once. Support response time is within 30 minutes.

There billing system is fine. PayPal payments are now credited automatically. I like it now.

I see no problems with BustNet/Nocster and unless you have a server there right now (which I doubt), you really have no right to flame the company.

I'm not flaming the company :angry: I just had a server with them recently and it didn't work out, I guess they changed their services, I could be wrong about them now.. ;)

Originally posted by ******
I'm not flaming the company :angry: I just had a server with them recently and it didn't work out, I guess they changed their services, I could be wrong about them now.. ;)

Sorry if I went a little overboard. How long ago did you have the server. Their services, network, support, and setup times have been impoved greatly recetly.

<< Its unbeliveable to see you respond here so fast but when an email is sent in, it takes 24-72 hours >>

Your not looking at the big picture. I am the CEO of the company. I am not a tech, sysadmin, nor a network engineer. Do you really expect me to answer your support tickets? If I did, it wouldn't be very helpful to you.

My posting here quickly is COMPLETELY unrelated to our support dept doing their job, and doing so in a timely fashion.

Once again, your comments lack any merit...and are completely off base. Please think before you make a post again. If you have a legitimate comment, then by all means, post such...but do not make negative comments without any foundation.

<< you need to improve your billing system and integrate the ticket system into it, that way its more secure >>

OK, once again...this makes no sense whatsoever. Integration of ticket system and billing system has nothng to do with security at all.

Both of our systems are completely secure, and such has never been questioned. As far as integration, they ARE integrated on the back end for our staff's needs. You of course would not know this, and are making the incorrect assumption that they are not. Once again, please do not comment on things you know nothing about, or make assumptions on such things.

Originally posted by ******
Nocster is good but I recommend Dinix too, nocster just needs to work on a few things, like better support, they have so many OPERATORS who keep forwarding you to another OPERATOR.. its just maddness, also without sending an email you cannot talk to an operator on an issue, personal experience.

I believe their support has been fair so far. Sometimes might take few hours via helpdesk, but most of the time its answered promptly. Maybe you didnt submit ticket to right dept.

The support via AIM is helpful once in a while, as you can also call in for a reboot which works even better.

Overall I'm happy.

Forgot to add:
Network so far has been pretty good, hopefully will continue to only improve :cool:

What you should go with varies on a number of things.

A> How familliar are you with Linux itself?
B> How much of a customer base you've got.
C> How stable of a network you require.
D> How much space you're actually going to need.
E> What CP you want to use.

The price you quoted from BN more than likely doesn't include CP, I think they're charging $9/monthly for that, and they don't do internal installs (or support) for plesk, etc. So, if you want to use CP on a BN server, you'll have to add $9 to their total, unless that was added in already.

How familliar you are with linux itself is key. If you're not, then you'll want to stay away from an unmanaged ded server until you're pretty much familliar with it. Rely on the provider to install whatever security fixes and all that are necessary.

How much of a userbase you've got is pretty key too. If you're looking at using even 50% of that 7g in the near future, then you're better off with a dedicated provider. Then again, you don't have to worry about the FS and stuff, so 7g just in /home and sql type stuff is a lot.

Networks:
Check here (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=59), see how much of an outage frequency they've got. Look past the first page, go through the past 6-12 months, looking for BOTH, not just one! Your network is imperative, and if it's down, your customers will complain.


Obviously, if you need more than 7g data, then you're more than likely going to have to go with a dedicated solution, just be careful about who you choose as your provider . The most important question to ask is ":what is managed", as it varies from company to company. With Burst, you're only purchasing partial management. They don't check your logs for you, they don't monitor your server for attacks and all of that, all of which can be very useful stuff. There's a few other things they won't do just READ the documentation and licenses and everything CAREFULLY, and ask questions :)

Good luck