I am currently the owner cum founder of Keeptouch Community which I started on Aug 2002. You can find my site here :

http://www.keeptouch.net/

Please bear with me for the site design since vb3 gold have yet been release so I am leaving out the design for the time being... I am currently using vb3 RC-2.

You can download my site statistics here :

http://forums.keeptouch.net/showthread.php?t=8411 (Take note this statistics is only for the main domain... my traffic mostly comes from forums.keeptouch.net and mobile.keeptouch.net, anyone curious enough to know whats the statistics on this two subdomain can pm me and I can arrange to send you the statistics)

On my site you can find the following services :

1. Community forum @ forums.keeptouch.net
2. Free mobile downloads @ mobile.keeptouch.net
3. IRC chat (look under quick link in the community forum, you have to get yourself registered before you can access to it)
4. Gallery @ gallery.keeptouch.net
5. Web hosting and email hosting services @ hostings.keeptouch.net

I owned the following license :

1. Vbulletin
2. Photopost
3. Jpilot

I am very confident that my site has great potential :)

Does the site generate any revenue right now? Are you looking to sell it, or are you just wanting an appraisal of it?

All by the way my site is affiliated/partnership to the following sites of which some of them are linked back to my site :

1. http://www.singaporecupid.com/ (click on their forum link... they are using our community forum to be part of their site)
2. http://www.upload.com.sg/ (click on their forum link... they are using our community forum to be part of their site. Additonal info about this site, they are a popular mag in Singapore)
3. http://www.khabal.com/affiliates.php (Link exchange)
4. http://www.sgcollect.com/ (Link exchange)
5. http://www.spi.com.sg/

Originally posted by VanHost
Does the site generate any revenue right now? Are you looking to sell it, or are you just wanting an appraisal of it?

Hi Vanhost,
Currently, my revenue comes from ad placement on the forum(I have two advertisers and 1 sponsor so far), google ads(I cannot reveal how much I earn as its against google's TOS), webhosting service (I have 2 customers who have paid one year upfront and 3 pay by monthly), email hosting (14 customer).

On top of that, I will also have adult site (not under keeptouch.net domain) also generating some revenue.

I might consider selling my site if the price is right (definitely my site is not worth only hundreds).

:)

no it's like hundreds no more
it's not for internationals it's mostly for ppl in singapore...

Originally posted by buywebsites
no it's like hundreds no more
it's not for internationals it's mostly for ppl in singapore...

nah you got short sight my friend.

You see this site is flexible to go international. If I can build a strong singaporean base, why can't you? Anyway for your info, I also have members from malaysia, philippines, australia, taiwan and china :)

Not only that, my mobile Web/WAP site has grown far even to greece!

It depends whether you are capable to let it grow internationally, from my traffic, its almost comparable to 10-20% of this forum.

I am not ashamed to say that my forum is one of the biggest of those personal sites growing to a public site. From zero to a bit of result, how many sites in singapore can actually make it this far (not comparing those commercial sites) ?

A few hundred dollars for my site is really an insult, give me a site that you owned which you think worth more then me and has more traffic then me :)

Since you have multiple income sources, it is not against any TOS to tell what you total monthly income is. They do not want you sharing the details, like click through rates and such, publicly. If you intend to sell the site, you will have to eventually produce those numbers, and show that they just come from the one site.

If you want what you told me you think its worth, you will need to show how someone can sustain $1000-2000 income per month. Your forum has a good base, but you haven't established whether it is of commericial value. Most ad networks don't care for forums, and Google shows many public service ads in forums which produce no income.

Originally posted by mccollin
Since you have multiple income sources, it is not against any TOS to tell what you total monthly income is. They do not want you sharing the details, like click through rates and such, publicly. If you intend to sell the site, you will have to eventually produce those numbers, and show that they just come from the one site.

If you want what you told me you think its worth, you will need to show how someone can sustain $1000-2000 income per month. Your forum has a good base, but you haven't established whether it is of commericial value. Most ad networks don't care for forums, and Google shows many public service ads in forums which produce no income.

Well if you read carefully my earlier posting, I already roughly state how much my revenue is.

Ad placement - 2 advertisers paying monthly $30 SGD each, 1 sponsor paying $600 SGD per year.

Google Ads - Against TOS to reveal earnings. But revenue in USD.

Web hosting - 5 customers of which 2 are on dedicated hosting plan (paying $35 SGD each per month), 3 on share hosting plan (paying $20 SGD each per month)

Mail hosting - 12 customers, got 1 new signup today. This mail hosting accounts worth $192 SGD per year.

If you notice what I can offer for webhosting, I offer bigger webspace and bandwidth, main reason is that I am not taking in alot of account, just take in enough to cover my monthly dedicated server cost. Any good biz minded ppl can maximise and breakdown further what I can offer to maximise earnings.

So that is to say, each month excluding google ads revenue, I am earning $256 SGD (rough gauge) per month (I could have earn more out of webhosting service but I choose not to)

any guys please give good any reasonable reasons which u think my site is worthless or worth something... like what mccollin did comment ( I like his comment on the part of establishing commercial value, I will look into it and improve on it :) )

I welcome any feedbacks. Do give me feedbacks at the same time on how I can do better :)

A whole $150 per month. If you're making more from AdSense than from the rest of your advertisers, you should provide your total income from the site, otherwise, I don't think it's worth buying for anything more than a few hundred at most.

Originally posted by Dan Grossman
A whole $150 per month. If you're making more from AdSense than from the rest of your advertisers, you should provide your total income from the site, otherwise, I don't think it's worth buying for anything more than a few hundred at most.

As I say, I cannot reveal how much I am earning from google ads, but I can say, its at least 1 times more. :)

You sure a few hundreds? And after you bought it from me, within a few months you can have the cost back with additional handsome profit(you can change my hosting plans to tweak more earnings) after covering the cost your bought from me. I think thats not the way to deal...

Well, this site will definitely go far, just that I dun have the funds here, anyway actually I am not very keen to sell off this site yet, as my dreams are on it.

One day you will see a global virtual world cum reality world, two in one (I wun reveal my plans). Singapore is just my first targeted country, I will move on slowly to globally. If nothing goes wrong and my plan works of cos.

I am a person with vision, so I don't look at the present, I see 5-10 years down the road on this site, expanding to other areas (be it virtual world or reality world) and countries.


Anyway thanks for those who commented and quoted me and not to forget those pm queries. :)

Do continue to quote me a price and comment (so I can improve). I will be at all ears :), if your price can attracts me enough I might be just tempted to sell my site away :)

by the way a short note here for those offers rdiculous price (those only offering me hundreds), what you offering me is only enough to cover my vbulletin(owned license that expires on 10/9/2004), photopost (expires on 12/26/2004) and jpilot license( 1 time license). So are you implying, that you buy this 3 license and have the rest for a flat fee?

Here's some more web statistics (my popular sections) to show to everyone :

Forum -
forums.keeptouch.net - Download here (http://www.keeptouch.net/statistics/forums@keeptouch.zip)

Mobile -
mobile.keeptouch.net - Download here (http://www.keeptouch.net/statistics/mobile@keeptouch.zip)

wap.keeptouch.net (its a WAP site, only viewable via WAP browsers or thru mobile phone with GPRS) - Download here (http://www.keeptouch.net/statistics/wap@keeptouch.zip)

Peter T Davis said this, Site Worth As Much As Someone Wants to Pay for it :)

and i 10000% agree with him :) just personal opinion :)

Originally posted by ewdi
Peter T Davis said this, Site Worth As Much As Someone Wants to Pay for it :)


This plays true for ANYTHING...something is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.

However, I do believe this has gone far from the original thread topic. If we observed the rules of WHT, nobody should be stating that this is worthless. If you are interested, contact him or make an offer. If not, what purpose does your post server other than to bump your post count?

Forums are tricky business. If you find the right person that shares your vision, then they may be willing to spend some big money to get into it. For them, they are going to look at the cost and effort it would take to grow the forum from scratch to the point that it is now. I've bought a couple of forums for multiple $x,xxx each that had $0 (or nearly $0) income. But... I knew going in that I could produce income with the traffic since I was already running sites that covered the same topic area, and had advertising income. If you don't find someone like that, then the the value of the site would be $1.5K-$3.5K (in my opinion, based on your profit numbers). Unless there is something phenominal in your Adsence income (it wouldn't viloate your TOS to tell people what your total income is... read the TOS)... And as the previous poster said... the site is really worth what someone is willing to pay. Personally, I wouldn't want to buy it because its not in my interest area, and a forum has to be in your interest area... unlike other sites that you can get away with running even if you have no interest in the topic. With your focus currently on Singapore, you have a narrow market for buyers.

On your pages with the ring tones and other stuff, I was unable to ever navigate to a page that had anything to download... lots of text that looked like links, but none were clickable.

If you really want to get the money you said you did, then you need to develop it further as an income generating site... but then you may not want to sell it. ;)

Originally posted by mccollin
Forums are tricky business. If you find the right person that shares your vision, then they may be willing to spend some big money to get into it. For them, they are going to look at the cost and effort it would take to grow the forum from scratch to the point that it is now. I've bought a couple of forums for multiple $x,xxx each that had $0 (or nearly $0) income. But... I knew going in that I could produce income with the traffic since I was already running sites that covered the same topic area, and had advertising income. If you don't find someone like that, then the the value of the site would be $1.5K-$3.5K (in my opinion, based on your profit numbers). Unless there is something phenominal in your Adsence income (it wouldn't viloate your TOS to tell people what your total income is... read the TOS)... And as the previous poster said... the site is really worth what someone is willing to pay. Personally, I wouldn't want to buy it because its not in my interest area, and a forum has to be in your interest area... unlike other sites that you can get away with running even if you have no interest in the topic. With your focus currently on Singapore, you have a narrow market for buyers.


Right on. I will only sell my site to someone who shares my vision and interest and able to bring the site to greater sites, and not selling to those who are only offering a couple of hundred bucks that is only enough to cover my 3 license and the rest of the site for a flat fee who is only targeting at short term profit.


Anyway I am slowly moving on targeting other countries, but as you know, I myself is based in Singapore, so naturally I will target my home ground first :)

Originally posted by mccollin


On your pages with the ring tones and other stuff, I was unable to ever navigate to a page that had anything to download... lots of text that looked like links, but none were clickable.


Which site you talking about? The WAP site or Web site? For website, you can right click and save those files and using data cables or infra red adaptors to save it to your mobile phone. For the wapsite, you can download straight to your phone using GPRS to access the wap site.

Originally posted by mccollin

If you really want to get the money you said you did, then you need to develop it further as an income generating site... but then you may not want to sell it. ;)

I am in discussion already with a registered company (eFusion.com.sg) here in Singapore and will be mostly likely doing a partnership providing chargeable mobile contents. :)