<<MOD NOTE:>>
I've edited the title a bit, since I agree, the original title was a bit misleading. It was 'Free Dedicated Server...' but that isn't exactly what the offer is. If you read through the 3 pages, the offer becomes clearer than the post below...
<</MOD NOTE>>


Free dedicated server, no setup fee, no monthly fee, your site hosted free, free support the lot, you have full control over the server, plesk etc.

It's for a reseller, you have to sell 4 packages which in short have
1) 100MB space
2) 200MB space
3) 1GB space
4) 5GB space

Per account you sell we require

1) $8 per account per month
2) $25 per account per month
3) $80 per account per month
4) $160 per account per month

Lots of options, we can change the plans to suit your needs, we can handle the billing or you can thats upto you, technical support the same, you can do that or we can.

Can change the entire plan to suit your needs.

Regards
Andy

I'm not quite certain that 'Free Dedicated Server..." is an appropriate title, seems misleading. Can you explain what is free, if anything, as I cannot tell from your post. Seems more like a no-monthly fee reseller account.

:confused:

How much bandwidth comes with the free server?

And where is it located?

it's free because your getting a dedicated server with no rental, you can put your domain on it and host your own web hosting website at no cost, no monthly charge, no setup fee 100% free.

Bandwidth depends what you want to offer per account, around 10GB per smaller account would be a good amount to offer, let me know the plans you want to sell and we can work that out.

Hosted with zenithtech.com

Aloha

OK now I am skeptical as you kinda slide by the previous bandwith
exactly how much bandwith does the whole server have after I resell the account ???
if each account uses 10 gig bandwith how much is left over for me
since it is a free server that I can run
I guess I can put as many other domains on it as I want ???
and use it how I feel ???

what are the server specs ?
what are the limitations ?

you say through zenithtech I take it this is not your company ?
looks like zenithtech is running from www.skynetweb.com ?

:uhh:

Hi

Bandwidth for your master site does not matter, your not going to be using lots so there is no limit on that.

Zenith Tech is located in a seperate office within the building using a rented line to SkyNetWeb, they also have a data centre in the UK where the head office is.

Additional domains are charged at a one time fee, can work this out with you, how mich you want to make on it.

You can use it how u like yep

the limits are within the accounts we agree on you selling.

server spec depends on how many users are going on each machine given to you and what the size of the accounts are.

This doesnt really make much sense does it?

Still not clear whats free and whats not. There has to be a way for you to get the costs of the bandwidth and server back, so how do you do this?

Can you specify that you provide Linux server Or Windows NT server Or Both for hosting.

Aloha
So I can use

500 gigs of transfer and you will have no problem with that ???
is the pipe bursteable ???
so all of my accouts could put up a board and have mass traffic and CPU usage and that is not a problem
we would not get kicked off ?????

you still are avading a direct question ?????????

answer me with figures please ;)
a well it does not matter is not a good answer
you should rephrase this post ;(
it is not free it is the cost of a dedicated with what sounds like limited use ???

this is not a server but a reseller account with a minimum requirement
a free server to me means I can put as many domains as I want on it ????
not be charged for each adl one I ad ???

this to me is screaming scam or very poorly thought out
post some specs ???
why can you not post specs ???

Originally posted by AndsUK20
Hi

Bandwidth for your master site does not matter, your not going to be using lots so there is no limit on that.

Zenith Tech is located in a seperate office within the building using a rented line to SkyNetWeb, they also have a data centre in the UK where the head office is.

Additional domains are charged at a one time fee, can work this out with you, how mich you want to make on it.

You can use it how u like yep

the limits are within the accounts we agree on you selling.

server spec depends on how many users are going on each machine given to you and what the size of the accounts are.

Well, this is certainly one of the more bizarre offers I've seen posted here, but let me see if I've got this right. Note the confusion comes from a few different things...

The server (unspecified), is free, no set up, etc., and you can host one domain on it free (your hosting site), and addl. domains you have are charged an addl. fee (unspecified).

So, if I sold a hundred 200MB accounts on the server (not unreasonable), I'd end up paying $2,500/mo. ??? In case you are wondering, I arrived at this using your example posted in the first thread (I realize those were just examples, but I chose to use #2):

2) 200MB space
Per account you sell we require
2) $25 per account per month

(100 accounts * $25 = $2,500)

Bandwidth for each of these accounts seems somewhat undetermined, but is this the gist of this? Sorry, I'm still a bit confused, though I think we're getting closer at figuring this out. :D

Some re-wording (with specifics) might have helped, but too late for that...

Originally posted by Chicken
I'd end up paying $2,500/mo. ???

Well at the very least you've figured out how they make money from this.

:confused: very :confused:

How can more than one person have the main access to the server? YOur saying the server is mine? So you dont set me up as a resellr then i add accounts up, so in turn i dont have my own dedicted server do i.

Ben

200 MB @ $25/mo. is overkill...you better have some damn good support! :angry:

Originally posted by Relyc
[B}Well at the very least you've figured out how they make money from this. [/B]

Well, that is 1/2 the point. The other 1/2 is trying to understand the offer. When I don't understand it, I will ask a few questions so that it might help others. Please note that the purpose is not to harrass or flame the host, it is merely to understand what the heck they are offering.

Can you sell other packages so that the rates aren't that bad? :confused:

Instead of 200 MB for 25$, why not 500 MB? :confused:

Sure one would make less money, but its more feasible...IMO.

Originally posted by Chicken
So, if I sold a hundred 200MB accounts on the server (not unreasonable), I'd end up paying $2,500/mo. ??? In case you are wondering, I arrived at this using your example posted in the first thread (I realize those were just examples, but I chose to use #2):


Are you really obligated to sell 100 accounts? Why not just resell four accounts at the minimum charge, then you will get the whole server for only as low as $32/mo with no setup fees ... Woa, I want that ... :) I can spare $32/mo for any server so that I can use it as a test serve/backup server :)

Good deal! Two thumbs up :D

cheers,
:beer:

Aloha
I have to wonder what the servers are ??
maybe these are them ???
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20722

I am curious but I do not trust people evading direct questions with well it depends etc...

please answer us ????

Honu, I am not trying to scam or avoid the question!!!

your taking the $25 per month account which comes with 15GB per month.
the $8 account comes with 10GB
the 1GB comes with 35GB
the 5GB comes with 50GB

It does not matter what bandwidth your using for your hosting site.

Honu if you were bloody using 500GB per month for a website offering hosting it's 100% clear your doing something you sohuld not be doing..a typical site only selling services is not going to use much bandwidth at all.

All I am offering is the chance for someone to run there own hosting service while reselling for us at the same time, I wish I had not even made the offer now. The other option is you just rent a dedicated server with a host pay $300 a month and sell accounts at $10 each trying to cover your monthly costs, I'm just getting rid of your monthly costs / setup costs etc.

Originally posted by AndsUK20
Honu if you were bloody using 500GB per month for a website offering hosting it's 100% clear your doing something you sohuld not be doing..a typical site only selling services is not going to use much bandwidth at all.

A typical site with legal adult content would use up a lot of transfer, mind you.

Neko, he isn't taking about a site that you've resold on the server (not sure if adult content is allowed or not, but that's besides the point), he's referring to your *host* site. Maybe what would have helped AndsUK20, would have been to post something to the effect of how most offers are, and the difference between that and what you are offering (in the first post). I now understand the whole thing, though it took a few posts to get there.

who said anything about adult content? we are talking about a site which offers Web Hosting Services.

Originally posted by Chicken
. . . I now understand the whole thing . . . Mind sharing your insight then??
I still don't get it.

Thanks Chicken!

Andy

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Mind sharing your insight then??
I still don't get it.

I don't get it either. :confused:

Is it that in order to pay for your server, everytime you sell a hosting account, you pay extra? :confused:

Just imagine...

We host your companys website for free.

You choose what packages you want to sell.

Every package you sell we get X % every month of it.

It's just like re-selling for a host but the difference is we host your site free, you get to admin the server & plesk there are no setup costs and no monthly costs for the machine.

So you don't need to worry about having to pay for servers/bandwidth etc.

and what percentage is it? X% doesn't really say much. :stickout

heres a sample.

One Account you could sell..


100MB Web Space
www.yourname.com
Unique IP address
5 POP3 Mail Accounts &
Web Based POP3 Email Reader
15GB Monthly Bandwidth
Unlimited Email Aliases
5 FTP Accounts
Web Based Control Panel
Unlimited Announcement Lists
Custom Error Pages
WAP Hosting Support
Raw Error Logs
Raw Access Logs
Raw Referer Logs
PHP 4, PERL 5, SSI
5 Autoresponders
Real Audio/Video Support (http)
Front Page 2000 Extensions
MySQL 3.23.32
Free URL Submission to over 1000 engines

20 CGI Scripts

Phone support during office hours
Average email response time 60 minutes
24/7 ticket system email support
Online support site

-------------------------------------------------------------
You can sell this for what ever you like, we would require $8 per month so you could sell it at $16 per month and $16 setup you would keep the setup fee, you would make $8 per month.

Can change the plan to suit your needs, we can also do the technical support for you or you can do it, we can also handle the billing or you can thats also upto you.

Andy


:cartman:

I understand your idea, but you are asking for more money than the account is worth per month, you should ask for a set percentage rather than a set figure, that way your resellers will actually get some clients.

Oh, I get it. The server gets upgrades for free, right? The prices seem a bit high, but that's to pay for the server I guess...

Yes the server is upgraded free.

How can $8 be high?, your getting a very high level of service and 24 hour support.

The plans can be changed, you can offer more or less pop accounts, more or less ftp accounts, offer ssl which we don't charge you for, you get unlimited.

Unlimited wusage license aswell so you can charge for that.

etc

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Mind sharing your insight then??
I still don't get it.

Well, in case you don't get it after the posts below...

This is somewhat of a cross between a traditional reseller account and a traditional server offer.

Normally, you'd get a dedicated server, pay $300 setup and $300/mo (ish, give or take $100 either way). You'd sell accounts, charging the client yourself, and supporting the client yourself.

With this, you don't pay a setup fee, nor a monthly fee. Your actual hosting site (offering your plans, etc.) is added to the server, no charge to you. You still sell accounts, but this is where you will be charged (per account, similar to a traditional reseller account). He's willing to do the billing and support for these accounts, or you may do the billing yourself.

I hope I've got this right, if not please correct me AndsUK20.

yep spot on Chicken thanks

just a few further questions if you dont mind.
if our clients decide to run resource heavy sites, do they get a server with more grunt?
do we get to know the spec of our server and how are upgrades awarded?
how many sites do we have to sell to maintain our contract? or rather how much revenue do we have to generate for you to remain in business?
could we have a copy of some terms and conditions?
thanks for your time

sure, it depends on the size of the accounts your selling.

If it's the 5GB package you would only need to sell 1 per month.

Bigger usage sites can be moved onto bigger servers yep thats not a problem.

Aloha
OK
at least I got some idea now
still curious about server specs
I run a webdevelopment site ?
not a hosting site I only host my clients a few of them eat a lot of bandwith ??? and are going to be eating a lot more soon when we start doing panoramas
that is why the question of so much bandwith it is a very real number for some people running sites
just trying to clarify that ;)
was not trying to be a jerk to ya at all

so please chill I would be doing something correct ;)
as selling anything for your clients driving quality traffic to a site can be high if you do a ot of business.

again sorry getting a idea now of what is going on now ;)


Originally posted by AndsUK20
Honu, I am not trying to scam or avoid the question!!!

your taking the $25 per month account which comes with 15GB per month.
the $8 account comes with 10GB
the 1GB comes with 35GB
the 5GB comes with 50GB

It does not matter what bandwidth your using for your hosting site.

Honu if you were bloody using 500GB per month for a website offering hosting it's 100% clear your doing something you sohuld not be doing..a typical site only selling services is not going to use much bandwidth at all.

All I am offering is the chance for someone to run there own hosting service while reselling for us at the same time, I wish I had not even made the offer now. The other option is you just rent a dedicated server with a host pay $300 a month and sell accounts at $10 each trying to cover your monthly costs, I'm just getting rid of your monthly costs / setup costs etc.

webdevelopment site no good.

have to be 100% webhosting company only.

Aloha
well you are obviously starting off on a bad foot
guess this thread is a scam or very mistitled !!!!!
you have no business sense !!!!!
and with avading questions you will fail !!!!!!

so have fun and good luck as you are going to need it
telling people you can not host a web dev company
heheheheh
on the internet there goes a lot of your clients
I will make sure I point everyone to this thread

Originally posted by AndsUK20
webdevelopment site no good.

have to be 100% webhosting company only.

I think you should allow webdev sites too. A lot of web design companies get more hosting clients than a 100% hosting company. I'd rather have a web development company adding 2 accounts per week than a 100% hosting company adding 5 accounts per month. Not a good business plan IMO

Sometimes we try to re-invent the wheel simply for the sake of re-inventing it...not because we see a need for a better wheel.

<<MOD EDIT:>>
Zak, even if you don't like the plan, it isn't proper for you to comment on it the way you did (in this thread).
<</MOD EDIT>>

Not quite true

Sounds more like he wants you to be a reseller, but says either you do the billing/support or his company will.

--James

well yes it is a kind of you reselling for us but in a way it's not cos you can change the plans to suit your needs, you have control over the server etc.

You won't find a better offer.

Can you please tell us your server config?
Can we install our own softwares?
Does it support JSP/SERVLET?
Please tell us some sites running on your servers to see the response time?
Do you provide 24x7x365 live support?

:D :D :D :D

Originally posted by AndsUK20
well yes it is a kind of you reselling for us but in a way it's not cos you can change the plans to suit your needs, you have control over the server etc.

You won't find a better offer.

Aloha

here are some facts from this thread ?????
you have to sell all this ????

total $273 and you can have one free account ?
OH and you wont let people who do webdeveloping have an account ??????webdevelopment site no good.
have to be 100% webhosting company only.
this is what is going to kill your idea ?????

well a lot of people do both they are not dedicated hosting companies that wont have there own servers ????
so you are laughable hehehehehehehe

now some other things that you have still not answered ?????
so if you can nto answer these I am assuming you are hiding something !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you say it is a free server ???
it is not you have to pay $273 to get one freee account
you control the server ????
oh but we charge you if you put another of your domains on it ???

oh and we wont really tell you about bandwith for your personal site ????
Bandwidth for your master site does not matter, your not going to be using lots so there is no limit on that.
your nto going to be using lots ????
why is this do you cut it off or do you charge so much for over usage
or willonly so much go through a t-1 ????
what ????

we do know that if we use more than you we are doing soemthing wrong ????


OH and we wont really tell you about CPU usage ?????

OH and we wont give out our URL ??????

you say you use a rented line to skyweb what are specs of this line ????????

what % do you take ?????

oh and almost forgot ???
what about server specs ???

answer these with specs numbers and exact wording
also offer us a link to your TOS

can you do this ???
if not why ????

Got a URL to your site you can post where offer/everything is detailed?

Genuinely curious but my head is hurting trying to follow this thread :confused:

Honu I know you have nothing better to do with your life than argue about this post but i will answer your question.

I've got one person lined up who is going to be setting up there own host using this offer.

Honu I've told you about 100 times about the bandwidth. A simple hosts website is NOT going to use 800K/sec of bandwidth is it ????? come on?????? What I was saying was you would be doing something very wrong if your website was using that much bandwidth or you would be getting 100,000 hits an hour or something.

I could say well the owners website is limited to 100GB per month but it's pointless...the site is not going to use that much and why should we charge you for hosting a site thats going to give leads to new sales.

As for clients bandwidth, they are limited to what I agree with the reseller. A guide I gave above but as you are stupid here it is again.

******** SAMPLE SPECS PLEASE NOTE *********

PLAN A

100 MB Web Hosting Account
10 GB Bandwidth
10 POP Accounts
10 FTP Accounts
MySQL, PHP4, Frontpage & Control Panel
1 IP Address

You sell it for $16 per month

You pay us $8 per month.

Thats a SAMPLE PLAN.

As for CPU usage etc it's not limited. If a user uses a lot they will be limited OR moved to a different server.

Whats it go to do with you if I don't want webdeveloping sites and only want web hosts? thats my choice if you don't like it then don't bother with it.

and Honu I am NOT hiding anything, I do have other things to do that sit on a message board all say sending replys like you do. I've been talking via email and phone to people who are interested in the offer and not just messing about like you.

Our website is www.zenithtech.com there is not info on the site as it's a new service and I've not been sending replys because I've been talking to people are really interested as I just said I don't want to waste time sending you replys just because you got nothing better to do than argue in a message board.

As for % I am not giving you set amounts because there are NO set amounts as I already said MANY times I will discuss what accounts the person wants to sell and work out what % then.

In reply to someone asking about the server, yep you can install anything you like on it.

Server Speeds.

To start with and depending on the size of the accounts the user is selling it will be a slower spec machine which will host say just 20 accounts so we can see how will the service works etc, then it will go on a normal spec machine 800 mhz, 512 MB RAM, 20 GB HDD.

This can be hosted in USA or in our UK office, if hosting in our UK office bandwidth will a lot lower on the accounts but we can work that out.

server config, we can reinstall any o/s you want and install any software you want.

24/7 support yes via email, and via liveperson.

Aloha
well I do not see this as arguing I see it as a education ??

if you see it as a argument ??
then I am sorry ;(
well I do have better things to do this takes up very little time ;)

I love this ????
Originally posted by AndsUK20
As for CPU usage etc it's not limited. If a user uses a lot they will be limited OR moved to a different server.
[/B]
hmmmmm
well things are clearer now ;)

I am in business and have been all my life ;)

I am beeing serious here and not trying to be a dick to you so please read in a honest way ;)

have you ever heard of SCORE ??
http://www.score.org

I give up a lot of my time for people to help them out
if I see soemthing I think is not quite right I may take some time to try to open it up. (such as this thread)
I have a very good background in business and have been sharing it with colleges schools and business for all my life

so this is why I do this ;)

you can learn more if you are just forward and someone asks you questions do not try to burry it or side step it.

please learn from this ;)

Well go an act like you know everything in another post!

Originally posted by AndsUK20
. . . . but as you are stupid here it is again. . . :eek: What is wrong with you? Talking to people like that? It is those kind of comments that make you look . . . . .:eek::nuts::eek2:
Honu isn't the only one that finds this thread confusing.
Seems as though the only person that (supposedly) understands your offer isn't a person at all. Rather, it's a barnyard animal (Sorry Chicken, I couldn't resist). But, when someone comes around trying to sell something, and then has nothing better to do than insult prospective clients (either directly, or indirectly), I find it very sad.

You show your maturity and business acumen quite well :rolleyes:

Read his post again you will see what I mean.

If your confused thats fine, you ask questions along the lines of..

eg: " Do you have a website " ?

not like
>>
OH and we wont really tell you about CPU usage ?????
OH and we wont give out our URL ??????
<<

OH you see my point now?

Originally posted by AndsUK20
Well go an act like you know everything in another post! Aloha
well sorry this is my job to make the web a better more honest place ;)
hehehhe

well the post speaks for itself !!!!
you shouldnt bother listening to me anyway as I am stupid according to you ;)
good luck in your little venture
with an attitude like this you will need all the luck you can get.
I was trying to help you out but guess you dont need it.
Your attitude shows your experience in business ;)

again sorry you had to have this kind of attitude, as I hate to see things fail ;(

Originally posted by AndsUK20
. . . . OH you see my point now? OH! Maybe I see your point. :rolleyes:
Anyone that doesn't "get it" is stupid :cartman:
Or, maybe, more like; "Anyone that doesn't agreee with AndsUK20 is stupid?
Or...........nah.........Guess I don't see your point.
Just add me to your stupid list.
And add me to the list of those who unsubscribed from this thread :rolleyes:



>>>Unsubscribes from thread<<<

I'm not saying anyone who does not understand is stupid.

All I am saying is Honu was attacking me first and now your putting your nose in it.

i want a server

As for CPU usage etc it's not limited. If a user uses a lot they will be limited OR moved to a different server.

The above tells me that NOT every site you resell is going to stay on YOUR OWN server.
Therefore if you make any changes to the server for your CLIENTS
the one that has been moved will not directly be effected.


To start with and depending on the size of the accounts the user is selling it will be a slower spec machine which will host say just 20 accounts so we can see how will the service works etc, then it will go on a normal spec machine 800 mhz, 512 MB RAM, 20 GB HDD.

The above if I am not mistaken, says We will give you a basic server for your DOMAIN ONLY and 19 others.

Now if you add more than 20 accounts they will be moved to another server
and any changes you have made to the current server will not be in
effect on the new one. UNLESS however you are saying that you will
not only move the domains BUT you will make SURE you have ajusted all
SERVER configurations the NEW OWNER of the server has made, so they
are able to keep the SAME setup for thise ACCOUNTS they have resold
and DO their OWN billing for.

In turn if I am mistaken I apologize, but here is my take.

You get to have a SERVER for YOUR DOMAIN name, you can control anyway
you seem fit within reason to software upgrades, additions etc...

You NEED to RESELL a certain amopunt of accounts in order to KEEP the
server as yours.

There are not SET specs on the SERVER as the ACCOUNTS you ad may be moved
to another server if need be. THEREFORE this tells me you really DO NOT
have control of the clients if you CHOOSE to BILL them yourself. So it
is not YOUR own HOSTING COMPANY this is a little bit of a beefed up
reseller account.

Letsw say I RESELL 400 accounts this as anyone knows will not run very well
on 1 SERVER which in turn if they are moved either I am getting ANOTHER server FREE or I am just another RESELLER.

A FREE server is NOT FREE if for EVERY HOSTING account
I add to the server I have to pay a certain fee for that account.

A better way of wording this would be:

Get a free server, no setup fee, no monthly fees!

Server Specs here

Catch phrase here:
For all the above you must however use one of the sollowing SUPPORT PLANS
for each accounnt you add, theses accounts must be setup with at least the following specs:

List Account specs for each account here

Here is what you will get as far as support goes:

List Support Specs Here

In the event that one of the Accounts exceeds YOUR server specs we will MOVE it to a BEEFER server so
your other clients do not notice the effect of the one. You may
see the entier terms and conditions by clicking here <---- Links to terms

This is just my insite on how I am taking this thread and how I think the
whole thing could have been made better.

Regards,
Ray

To add another note.

On the HOSTING ONLY web site you will put on at NO MONTHLY
FEE or BANDWIDTH LIMIT

If I add a hosting site and as part of a marketing strategy I decide to
offer a FREE web site building PROGRAM downloadable FROM my HOSTING
ONLY SITE, this program is part of the hosting options I want to offer
current and potential customers. Since I have full control over the
server this
is completely allowed.

NOW during the first month I do some good advertising and there are
1000 downloads of my lets say 5GB program. Then the second
month there are 3000 downloads of this program, your saying your not going
to charge for the BANDWIDTH of this normal hosting site?

It is becoming more common for companmies to offer some sort of site
development software.

The NO limit I am sure will have some sort of limit if this arrises correct?

Or DOES the SITE have a LIMIT to how it is operated? If either is the case
the offer has ALOT of LOOP HOLES and SHOULD be re-thought.

But if what I have said is wrong Then this is a really good offer and
I wish you and everyone that takes it the best of luck.

Regards,
Ray

I've got two users running on this service now which is enough for now.

I just want to say, I seriously haven't laughed so hard in months. This post is so hilarious. LMAO!

Yeah, this has been a great break from the dullness of running a business.
Here's my take:
1) Post a shaky offer that you *really* haven't thought thru very well.
2) When people ask hard questions, which you should have answers for but don't, accuse them of flaming you.
3) Call people names.

#3 was the best. I am a bit dissapointed, though, that I didn't hear a "your mama" one single time.

Originally posted by sbrad
Yeah, this has been a great break from the dullness of running a business.
Here's my take:
1) Post a shaky offer that you *really* haven't thought thru very well.
2) When people ask hard questions, which you should have answers for but don't, accuse them of flaming you.
3) Call people names.

#3 was the best. I am a bit dissapointed, though, that I didn't hear a "your mama" one single time.

Aloha
ya should have had #4 & #5

4) answer with things such as
Bandwidth for your master site does not matter, your not going to be using lots so there is no limit on that.
glad he knows what I am going to use
its MISS CLEOS son ;)

or my favorite ;)
As for CPU usage etc it's not limited. If a user uses a lot they will be limited OR moved to a different server.

well its unlimited till I decide then we will limit you

5) go back to step 2 and repeat ;)

Do you host .ASP website?

Hmm............with this kind of attitude, you should get your ass off this board. This place is no place for you to flame people.

Chicken, do you not think that the title of this post is too misleading ? Sounds to me like a cousin of UNLIMITED.

After reading through all the pages, well, I guess what the others have said have proven to be too true. You are not answering important questions which have been posted to you. Your offer is confusing, and if not for Chicken, would your offer have been understood ?

And yes, I find it that you call people stupid when they cannot get your meaning. And another thing is, you said you have 2 users trying you out now and you think that's enough, yet blunting earlier that you are planning to put 20 users on a single server.
Yea right, you can survive with ONLY 2 users.

If you are boiled up because of users on this board are not able to comprehend what you have meant, then I would say you should review yourself and not calling others stupid. I would say you are the one who is 'stupid'. You are unable to put things straight and put your offer in the easiest way to be understood. And yes, with that ass attitude of yours, you are chasing away people who would be interested and do you think you can offer good support with your ass attitude? Who knows you would call your resellers stupid ass or moron one day just because they are unable to solve problems and keep emailing for support ?


P/S : If you do not like people asking you questions, please put a note in any of your posts : " Please do not ask me questions, if you do not understand what I have posted, you are stupid". As a user on this board, I find that it is a very normal post for users to enquire more on a host when a host posts his/her offer/s. Simple questions like location of NOC, connection, speed, server config, etc are all essential questions. And yet, you did not post them together with your offer. What's more is that I find you 'avoiding' those questions. And I know those opinions are not those of mine alone.