Is it some christian spirits + jew spirits vs muslim spirits?
Is it real men carrying weapons and a cross?
Is it burning down churches and the jew building?


if it's spiritual, I challenge all the muslims with my one soul and I'll beat them woohoo.

Sorry, I'm not a "soul" believer =[

Nothing mystical has ever happened and will never happen. Well, I think I'm speaking for the billions in the past. I'll just say nothing mystical has ever happened to me and I doubt it ever happening.
The world is all about science.. physics and math.

"I believe there is a god, but I don't believe that to truly believe you must sit with other believers one day a week for two hours. If god is god then I'm sure he/she will not mind"
I'm pretty he/she wouldn't mind me believing the way I want about him.

Hrm. What's my point...............

I don't believe in a god, any god. My perception of reality is based on my experiences. I have never ever felt, seen, touched, tasted, nor heard of anything that can ONLY be explained by mystical/holy means. EVER.

Why it is people are so stubborn and believe things in blind faith? Perhaps it's because of culture. Some were exposed as kids to believe in these things, so when they grow up, they refuse to not believe in it. Others believe "just in case". And then there are those that abuse it for their own gain, to brainwash others.

Remember Hale Bop and Heaven's Gate? How about David Koresh? Or those people that flock to a tree because it contained a wrinkle that looks a little like Jesus? In a couple more centuries Scientology will because another "True" religion.

Go figure...

I used to not believe in god.
At first I think I was a believer when I was a kid and even influenced by religion.
Later, I became an atheist... and then agnostic and now a believer.

I believe god does exist because I mean look at us, we're not amoebas or something. We can feel, we can love, we can like, we can hate. We have conscience.

Are there any explanations for those? Like scientific explanations?

<<MOD EDIT: Ummm, can we state this in a less graphic way?>>

Some superior being must have created us.

Originally posted by biatche
<<EDIT>>
Keep it clean, there might be kids here. :D

Originally posted by biatche
[B]I used to not believe in god.
At first I think I was a believer when I was a kid and even influenced by religion.
Later, I became an atheist... and then agnostic and now a believer.

I believe god does exist because I mean look at us, we're not amoebas or something. We can feel, we can love, we can like, we can hate. We have conscience.

Are there any explanations for those? Like scientific explanations?

Therefore god exists? Is this the ONLY conclusion one can come to? Who is this god? Is it one god or 100? Does this god look like us or like an amoeba?

Damn I missed the "graphic" part. Wish I'd seen it :blush: :D :D

pff, the moderator could have at least edited it instead of totally remove it. Anyhow, I was saying we're too symetrical - we got 2 eyes, a nice nose, 2 ears, 2 hands, 2 legs reasonably proportioned as well as 2...
We have conscience, we can feel in this way... and the other way [this part was graphical according to mod] and we can love.

There any good scientific explanation for all that?

It doesn't matter if there's one or two gods or any number. I'm just saying there's a more supreme being that we can't see.

jeez, give it a rest. besides, god doesnt exist (lmao "god", how funny)

Well, you explained it better than the eidted part. I guess it doesn't matter as *someone* recently posted camel/Ladin sex, so I'm just taking a little nap...

*zzzzzzzzz*

Originally posted by Chicken
. . . . . .camel/Ladin sex. . . . If you could make it past the graphics . . . It was funny.

Ok that's it! This has become a forbidden fruit! I NEED to see what was edited out! :D :D :D :D :D :D

<- nobody ever noticed my fruity title. jk :D

I think the meaning of "Holy War" is simple.

A war bewteen Order and Evil although I am not sure who'd be Order and Evil.

Just a couple of holy wars of the past. The great crusades, and the spanish inquisition.............Something to think about!

No one has answered me yet! :eek:
What exactly is a Holy War? It's asking the ghosts to haunt our "souls" right?

Are you joking?

Originally posted by biatche
No one has answered me yet! :eek:
What exactly is a Holy War? It's asking the ghosts to haunt our "souls" right?


It's essentially a war over religion. For example, the crusades was a clash between two religions, and so a holy war. As you can imagine, you can war over all sorts of things - territory, principles, freedom, politics, economics and religion.

The Taliban have threatened a holy war because they would see an attack on them as an attack on Islam.

At least that's the gist of it. I'm neither a diplomat or a theologian.

So... what differences does it make if they propose a holy war...?
I don't see any pseudo differences yet.

The term "Holy War" is just what Osama has made up. That's what they're calling it. It's that simple. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's basically a way to brainwash their followers (like must of ANY religion has done in the past) into doing what Osama wants done to the American people.

That's why I don't like religion of any kind. Their first rule is for you to believe in BLIND FAITH, without question, without reasoning, without disobedience. It makes people gullible to infinity, for the leaders to take advantage of and to abuse.

I think this is not right place for this question.

Originally posted by mithilesh
I think this is not right place for this question. Do you mean the WebHostingTalk Lounge??
Or, the web in general??
Where should the question have been asked?

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Do you mean the WebHostingTalk Lounge??
Or, the web in general??
Where should the question have been asked?

Well we're sort of trivialising the whole thing, and I think that's what he/she means. A holy war runs much deeper, and our answers have only just scraped the surface.

You'd need to ask a Muslim leader of sorts to properly understand it. I'm fairly sure that a holy war is a very deeply engrained "blasphemous attack on our beliefs" sort of thing. But I haven't done much study on Islam.

No one has answered me yet!
What exactly is a Holy War? ho'ly war"

1. a war waged for what is supposed or proclaimed to be a holy purpose, as the defense of faith.

2. any disagreement or argument between fanatical proponents of radically differing beliefs, opinions, etc.: a holy war on the merits of computer operating systems; a holy war about welfare reform. Do you mean the WebHostingTalk Lounge??
Or, the web in general??
Where should the question have been asked? Probably in a forum that is geared toward political events. A place where these types of things are the main topic. WHT is geared toward "hosting" type talk whereas another forum may be focussed on current events or headline news...

The world is all about science.. physics and math.

You're hilarious.

No God?

I guess you've never studied quantum physics? I challenge you to read any text -- yes you heard me correctly -- any text that talks about quantum physics and give me the answer to: "How does light work?"

Seems simple enough, eh?

All the brains in all the scientists of the world -- from the BEGINNING OF TIME -- can't answer this simple question.

Oh, but I'm getting into semantics of course ... you say. Nope. It's simple, really. Look at the simple 'light in the box experiment'. Read Richard Feynman. If you still don't get it, then I'll sum up. Light controls everything in this universe of ours. It creates life, it destroys life, it does funny things like 'funny action at a distance' (Albert Einstein said that one) ... and yet we don't know how it works. You're probably one of those dopes who actually believes in the 'big bang'. Sheesh. How did the stuff that 'banged' get there in the first place?

Use your head.

That's why God gave it to you.

Dan

To play devil's advocate for a second...

Just because things exist and/or happen that cannot easily be explained doesn't mean that this proves there is a God. Many people attribute things to 'acts of God' but that doesn't mean this is the end all answer that everyone believes in, nor would I ever force that opinion on anyone.

Saying that no one can answer the question, "How does light work?" and purporting that this proves the existance of God is a bit out there.

Let's not be rude when we have a difference of belief or opinion please.

Originally posted by CagedTornado
I guess you've never studied quantum physics? I challenge you to read any text -- yes you heard me correctly -- any text that talks about quantum physics and give me the answer to: "How does light work?"

Seems simple enough, eh?

All the brains in all the scientists of the world -- from the BEGINNING OF TIME -- can't answer this simple question.

That's not to say that it cannot be answered, it simply means that it has not been answered as yet. It has not been proven unknowable as far as I'm aware.

The main question regarding religion is what cannot be known. As a simple example, when the sun was unexplained it formed an integral part of religion. Now that it is explained, it no longer forms a dominant part of religion. Light may well be understood some day, and the same analogy applied to it.

There are suggestions that some things simply cannot be known. Is it part of the uncertainty principle that mentions we cannot perceive anything without influencing it? I remember the case came from trying to perceive an atom in its ground state or something like that - it cannot be done, because to be perceived it must be stimulated, and once stimulated, it is no longer in its ground state.

Oh, but I'm getting into semantics of course ... you say. Nope. It's simple, really. Look at the simple 'light in the box experiment'. Read Richard Feynman. If you still don't get it, then I'll sum up. Light controls everything in this universe of ours. It creates life, it destroys life, it does funny things like 'funny action at a distance' (Albert Einstein said that one) ... and yet we don't know how it works. You're probably one of those dopes who actually believes in the 'big bang'. Sheesh. How did the stuff that 'banged' get there in the first place?

Errr... if you're going to argue with theoretical physics, perhaps you should read up on the theoretical physics behind the big bang instead of dropping back to a simpleton argument such as that. If you believe God created the universe, what would you answer when someone asked how God got there? Apply the same answer to what started the big bang, and then you can begin to respect others' scientific views. The converse applies for those who don't respect the belief in a God.

The main question with the Big Bang is can you create something from nothing? The answer is, perhaps. You can certainly annihilate matter by causing a collision between it and its anti-matter. I'm sure there's some theory somewhere that suggests you can go the other way.

The truth is that at this stage, all we can say is, we don't know many things. If we could say we can't know then we would perhaps have great evidence for the existence of a greater power.

Until then, it's at the whim of faith.

You guys have come up with many good points. I especially agree with Chicken's statement (boy, couldn't you pick a better name? Makes me feel like I'm REALLY talking to a foul :D).

See here's the thing. Most non-believers are NOT saying that they're 100% positive god doesn't exist. Of course that's a remote possibility. None of us has definite proof that he doesn't. BUT... believers seem to think 100% that god DOES exist. 100%? There's no doubt whatsoever? That's what I don't like about religious fanatics.

Besides, what then does this god look like? Is he a 10-legged octopus? Or how about a 3-legged horse with wings made of honey? Or is it Pamela Anderson with a beard and 1000 teeth? Or how about 10 pieces of rock underneath the ocean? Who is god and what does he/she/it/them look like?

Let me get back on the topic and state what I think is even more important than the attack on the Muslim faith. What we should be focused on and worry about is the abuse that religion can inflict. Here's a prime example. Bin Laden has brainwashed his people into thinking that killing Americans and dying as a result gets you to heaven, where 72 virgins await you (seriously, that's what they say). These people are so f***ed up they really believe it and are willing to die for this cause. Doesn't that part of religion worry you? A future nut can come along and make a bunch of Christians become such fanatics too. Remember David Coresh (sp) ? Him and his entire compound were ready to die. And in fact they did, for their "cause".

Originally posted by Skeptical
. . . . .Doesn't that part of religion worry you?. . . . .No. That part of certain humans bother me.
Hitler wasn't guided by a "holy war."

In my opionion there is a higher power, call it God, or call it what ever you like.
Religion and science don't really mix for me. My belief is that, if someone is given a reason to believe, let them. No need to argue.
What I do not like is people using religion for selfish reasons. At times I lose faith in God, but he never lose faith in me. =)
For me, whenever I hear someone using the term 'holy war', I know they've been brain washed.
I read the bible sometimes, but I do not believe every word of it. Why? Unless God or Jesus write the whole bible him/herself, any religious teaching of any kind or any religion will be fabricated by human being.
And please if you don't like what I have to say, keep it to yourself.
;)

Originally posted by holymanjay
My belief is that, if someone is given a reason to believe, let them. No need to argue.

*Gets on soapbox*

My feelings are that everyone should believe in something, whether this is a God of their choice, or believe in themselves. People need guidance in their lives, be it from a parent, a minister, someone... or they need to be very strong and choose their actions and path carefully without the help of others.

People like to believe in a higher reason for things happening. Why they were saved, while others perished in storms, etc. People like to believe there is an after life, Heaven, and that it is wonderful. Heck, it sure sounds better than, "When you die, you sit in a cold box 10 feet under and are eaten by worms for 10 years until the property is sold and you become the foundation of the next condo complex."

As holymanjay (a fitting member name for this discussion, heh) said, we have the bible, which is a great book by the way. I do not however, think that people of that time were not creative, nor that it is a 100% accurate account, written like a news story, of what happened. I don't think it is accurate enough that any small part of it can be quoted in any context, as I often see.

My point is not to debate the accuracy of the bible however, only that people should believe in something, follow some sort of code and seek guidance from someone or something when they need it. This might even be solely from deep within, and that is fine. For some, this isn't enough, and they choose to follow a more organized religion (or a combination), but I hope that people remain true to their own beliefs as well, and don't let things cloud their judgement (not even religion).

As someone mentioned, this 'holy war' is a fabrication, a distortion of the Islamic beliefs. No religion would condone flying planes into buildings or bombing buildings for the purpose of destroying 'the enemy', followers of Western culture. Saying this is what God wants and he will forgive you, is an example of what I am talking about. This type of hatred is taught by people, animals really, sub-human slime that uses religion as an excuse, rather than a guide to better one's self and others.

I have found that most (true) religions have common themes. Building communities, building yourself, guiding people to do the right thing (subjective and sometimes misguided or misinterpreted), etc. Those who bomb an abortion center in the name of God, quoting the bible as their justification, are an example of the misguided type.

Any religion that bases its beliefs on genocide, violence, oppression, or forcing these beliefs on others, is not a religion I would ever support in any way. I won't say it isn't a religion, but I'll say that it is akin to a religion that recommends its followers to rape 12 year old girls, 'in the name of God'.

My thoughts on this are that they are not going to claim responsibility for these acts, since even if the end result was that the governments blamed eachother, escalating the conflict into a full scale nuclear war, which resulted in the death of everyone on the planet, they would view this as a victory.

Sorry, long rant... skim it, heh :D

Originally posted by biatche
I believe god does exist because I mean look at us, we're not amoebas or something. We can feel, we can love, we can like, we can hate. We have conscience.

Are there any explanations for those? Like scientific explanations?

The simple answer is 'yes'

I think with chicken's wise words, he can easily start his own religion or cult
:cartman:

Originally posted by Skeptical
what then does this god look like? Is he a 10-legged octopus?

Wouldn't that make him a decapus? :D But I digress.

Originally posted by Lawrence


Wouldn't that make him a decapus? :D But I digress.

Haha... I'd have thought this is the one thread humor couldn't penetrate.
:D