http://www.alexkelm.com/~kelmhosting/

Check that crap out.. scam if I ever saw one....

It has already been discussed!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by creid
It has already been discussed!:rolleyes: LOL. . . Thanks creid . . . . That's comedy!! :D

We gunna go through the same thing as before? heh

His domain kelmhosting is still offline.

Originally posted by davidb
We gunna go through the same thing as before? heh

His domain kelmhosting is still offline.

He is supposed to be getting ready to "launch" his hosting services. I just have this wierd feeling this kid is going to use a rocket launcher.

Edit: Haze, reporting live for WHT here.
I have a bit of inside information as taken from FWS.net and Alex Kelm Himself. Mr. Kelm has stated:
"me and my dad are working on the site offline he is reviing it for grammar/spell errors..". This venture is sure to take off after the grammar/spell errors are checked and fixed.. ". In this reporters mind, this could turn out to be the next Microsoft.. ( i think I need to slow down on the Kava, weeeeeeeeee )

About Us
KelmHosting is a leader in web hosting. Based in Virginia, USA, it was founded by Alex Kelm in 2001. Offering unbeatable rates, we have continued to satisfy our yours. We care about our customers, and believe in quality.

So much for truthfulness and grammar checks...amazing you can be a leader in the industry before even opening your doors.

sales pitch.

all hosts claim to be the best.

I offered this guy some help with rewriting all the literature, or at least correcting the mistakes.

We got in a long fight. I concluded that he, and to some extent, his father are less than literate.

Originally posted by WoodShedd
sales pitch.

all hosts claim to be the best.

I offered this guy some help with rewriting all the literature, or at least correcting the mistakes.

We got in a long fight. I concluded that he, and to some extent, his father are less than literate.

On his second time around I thought I would go easy on him and I offered to design a web site for him according to his "Specifications" and he was quite rude throughout our conversations. He was really demanding and arrogant throughout the whole ordeal and then he just ended up not replying to my emails after I ziped up and sent him his site.
The finished product: http://www.iminteractive.net/kelm

it seems he's actually planning on launching

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11052


just so sad :( :( :(

* A dedicated IP will be given to sites that have a good reason and have a lot of visitors.
Hehe...pr0n?

Maybe a mod . . . just bummin' around . . . could put the "s" in the title of this thread :rolleyes:
So we can be sure we're spose ta be talkin bout kelmhosting and not kelmhoting . . .
Not that I expect this thread to be around long.:rolleyes:
Although I wouldn't mind. It's really a fascinating read.
Twelve year old kids startin businesses (now maybe thirteen)
His dad helpin him now :(
It really smells bad.
If I had one, I could set my twelve year old up in business, let him collect a lot of money, then dare someone to try to sue him:rolleyes:
It just smells really, really, bad [insert smilie with fingers pinching nose here]

I understand your concerns about this particular host, but what's wrong with young people in general? What makes you think young people are intrinsically less qualified to open web hosting ventures than older people?

Sorry, but this topic gets me really riled up.

Originally posted by delemtri
I understand your concerns about this particular host, but what's wrong with young people in general? What makes you think young people are intrinsically less qualified to open web hosting ventures than older people?

Sorry, but this topic gets me really riled up. I have no objections to a young qualified person doing anything.
However, the government where I live forbids me from enterring into contract with someone not of legal age.
If I enter into contract, and it fails, I have absolutely no recourse.
So, in this respect, going into business with a minor is a horrible mistake.

Ah yeah, I see your point. But does that apply when the minor is only acting as the head of a corporation?

This particular topic makes me laugh everytime I see it....14-18 yr olds thinking they have the expertise to manage a corporate entity. Let me tell you now I don't think you do. Remember how much you knew about women at age 11, nada...remember how much you knew about tax brackets at 13, nada...remember how much you knew about the financial needs of a person with kids your age at 14...nada. There are 12 yr olds who know more about *NIX than I could ever care to know - but there is an experience in managing people that comes with age. When I'm 40 I hope I know a damn bit more than I do now - and I would never presume to assume I could have the experiences of an employee with an alcohol problem, or financial problems, or budget crunches, or hiring and firing on so many levels - as someone who has done this for 20 yrs.
Flame me 22 yr olds and below, then think about what you know at age 29 and talk to me. Are there 18 yr olds making more money than many 30 yr olds - sure - money ain't everything though. Sorry for the off-topic rant - I have only 12 yrs in the Air Force and this is on target - 18 yr olds who think they have the answers - until something difficult raises its ugly head - then we all realize how little we are prepared. Any fool can lead when respect and money are thrown to them - it takes a true leader to rise above adversity.

some good points marksy. If nothing else the youngster will gain some experience.

It could work out fine, and it probably will. Just not for business sites.


He seems to have reconsidered the proof reading offer :rolleyes:

Trust me, even the most experienced run into problems they have never run into before. However, their past experience is key benefit for working thru the new problems.

Most youngsters rely on others to fix most of their problems. Hell even I still rely on others to fix a few problems. Experience doesnt mean you are all knowing, but it does provide the tools to work thru new problems that you have never encountered before.

One thing about this Alex character that should be considered is he doesnt give up. He continually screws up and flunks out, but jumps right back into it with valuable lessons learned. One day, he will get it right.

At the same time I get a kick out of seeing these teens start a host, free or paid. They always claim how good they will be, how they will always be around and in business, and basically all around think they know everything while mommy and daddy still drive them around. That sarcasm is there for a reason. You can study the books all you want about how to drive a car. It's a whole different ballgame when you finally get behind the wheel. Remember that lesson when it happens, it's the same in hosting.

Also remember that no matter how good you think you are and no matter how much experience or knowledge you have, you can always get rear ended, side swiped, or run off the road by another driver/problem. It's the same for both hosting and driving.

Your entire post was a broad and largely untrue generalization, marksy. Of course I'll know more at your age than I do right now. You'll also know more at 80. Should people have to be 80 years old to become a webhost? Think a little bit here. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Would any of you put a muti million dollar client on a server owned and operated by a 13yrs old? I did not think so.......Also I do not think a minor can be a corporate officer. You must be a adult to sign legal documents...........Check with a corporate lawyer, some things vary from state to state. But I am pretty sure you need to be 18 or 21.

I don't think there is a specific age you can say is good, but you can generalize (there will be exceptions to everything) about younger people.

There is a reason employers look for experience. It doesn't even have to be in the same field, but you will find it easier to get a job, if you've had a job.

Likewise, there is a lot of growth going on from the age of zero to, I'd say 22 or 23. Of course there is a lot of growth from 23-28-ish too, but at a certain point you aren't starting fresh, you are building on previous experiences and are more able to relate and/or deal with situations based on combining various other tid bits of info you've picked up along the way.

A 50 year old is probably more able than a 30 year old (20 years difference), though I'd say the 30 year old would be *far* more able than a 10 year old (same 20 year difference).

At some point you just have to say, yeah age does matter for some things.

Added:
This person is in 7th or 8th grade. I work with kids who are between 8 - 10 years old (just in my 3rd grade class) and we have many 13 year olds at the elementary school. Young, smart kids they are. CEOs they aren't.

Added again:
This isn't to say anything bad about this host specifically, rather I am making a generalization. Some not agree.

Something funny....

Thier server admin's site: http://battle.at/sswf


http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11077


He can hardly make a site, how are they going to run a server?:eek:

"RapMaster and his Crew*" will be in control of your company site?

yes sign up for KelmHosting Today!

Originally posted by Helper Ant
. . . . how are they going to run a server. . . Not happenin' . . . . .
Honest people are going to be disappointed once again :rolleyes:
I don't think that some kids realise that they are playing with some people's livelyhood and dreams. :(

Yeah, and older people always realize this. Like the guy who runs *****.

:p

I think today internet companies are looking for young people with fresh designs and ideas and not 50 year olds who still live in a 60's dream. Experience? It's good but when you know anything you need to know it's good enough. Experience comes with the territory later. Remember webhosting is not being a rocket scientist and it's very easy to manager. A kid who knows everything and anything about NIX will do better then a person who knows nothing about it and can only write good sales e-mails.

Do you realize we're talking about a just turned (maybe not quite) thirteen year old??

Very interesting thread, enjoyed reading it.

Just one thing, (I might get flamed), when you are searching for a host, what do you ask them? How many servers they have, where they are located, connection to internet, how many employees or even clients maybe. Do you ask them, "How old are you?" Probably not. Some of you might be hosted by an 18 year old and not even know it.
(13 you can tell cause their voice hasn't changed though lol :stickout )

Some of you guys are so close-minded. I'm fourteen and I'm going to be buying a top-of-the-line server for colocation within a week. Yes, for a webhosting company. I've done a few PHP jobs which all turned out well. Quite a few of them were with other "kids."

Have a nice day.

I don't blame them for being close minded. Hosting is a business, would a person buy a car from a company owned by a 14 year old? Probably not. Would a person buy a big-mac from a 14 year old? Sure. Its all about the money. Hosting involves quite a bit of it, not just as payment for the services; if the clients business makes money off of their website hosted on your service, it could be extremely expensive if the 14 year old is at school and can't go restart or fix the server.

There are always exceptions, but I think many people would NOT like their credit cards in the hands of the normal 14 year old.

Originally posted by delemtri
Some of you guys are so close-minded. I'm fourteen and I'm going to be buying a top-of-the-line server for colocation within a week. Yes, for a webhosting company. I've done a few PHP jobs which all turned out well. Quite a few of them were with other "kids."

Have a nice day. What is "close-minded" about suggesting that noone enter into contract with someone not of legal contractural age?
Do you seriously believe the fact that you've done "a few PHP jobs demonstrates your ability to administer a server??

Originally posted by rewdog
. . . .would you buy a car from a company owned by a 14 year old? . . . .He could buy the car; but where I live he couldn't drive it for a few years:rolleyes: hmmm

This is actually pretty humorous. You guys are so interested in slandering your competitors that you'll do it before they've even started hosting people. What gives you any right to judge my skills or assume that you're superior to me?

Originally posted by delemtri
This is actually pretty humorous. . . . . . .What gives you any right to judge my skills or assume that you're superior to me? Have you read the thread??:eek:
It seems to be that most of the chatter seems to revolve aroung the legalities of entering into contract with a minor.:rolleyes:
Sure, some have mentioned that there is no replacement for experience with it comes to problem solving technics; and rightfully so.
But I see noone say that teenagers (some barely) are inferior humans:rolleyes:

I don't think I'm slandering you.....
You guys are so interested in slandering your competitors that you'll do it before they've even started hosting people.

Not always, just when there is something that turns them off, like a person being a not being honest (As in kelm hosting situation), ripping off other people's designs (too many to name), or in your case, being a minor.

What gives you any right to judge my skills or assume that you're superior to me?

They are older, its always been this way with those humans :D .... Would you judge the skill of an 8 year old? Not that this is right, its the way of the world.

Read the last few posts.

Originally posted by delemtri
Read the last few posts. Read em???
We been writin' em :eek2:

What are you talking about??

rewdog: About your car analogy. I don't see the difference. A car is a car, isn't it?

Originally posted by delemtri
rewdog: About your car analogy. I don't see the difference. A car is a car, isn't it? Okay . . . . . Anybody remember what thread my $17 car is in??


Okay, maybe a car analogy is bad to try to explain to someone that hasn't had that type of relationship.
We'll think of another way

SoftwareRevue: Most of this thread was people poking fun at KelmHosting.

rewdog: I know an eight-year-old who's studying something like neurology at college. I wouldn't judge his skills.

SoftwareRevue: I'd hope you would think before buying a $17 car from ANYWHERE, minor or not.

rewdog said there are exceptions to every rule.

Again, I don't see where this thread has been putting down intelligent teenagers.
It has been discussing KelmHosting. It wouldn't matter the age of the owner. IMO

Okay then, we agree. ;)

Sorry if I came on too hard so to speak, I've gotten a lot of nasty comments due to my age in the past and I'm sort of quick to jump to conclusions.

a car is a car isn't it?

Noooooooooooo!
Totally not!
Ferrari, VW bug, the same? No. The same is with the types of hosting people provide.

Lets face it, there is nothing wrong with being 14, but having a hosting business will be difficult for many reasons.

-You probably won't have many employees, meaning you will
have to do pretty much everything on your own.
-Doing everything on your own will be hard because from 8:00 to 3:00, you are at school.
-Where are you getting the $5K for a "Top of the line server", if you are just starting? Colocation for $300 a month? A good control panel for 99$ a month? If I had that type of money at 14, I wouldn't want to throw it away all at once.
-Who's going to do the taxes?
-If you get sick, what will happen to your customers?

The list goes on and on. The 14 year old running the car business is the same.

If I were you, I'd resell first and then upgrade to the dedicated server after you get your first 100 or so.

Originally posted by delemtri
Okay then, we agree. . . . .I understand your frustration. Although I'm not your age now; I once was . . . . really!!
But, have you been to the site?
Have you read the thread at freewebspace?
Dem's da kinda stuff we talkin bout. :cartman:

SoftwareRevue: I wasn't contesting your judgment of KelmHosting, I think it's pretty obvious that you guys have 'em pegged right. I just wanted to make sure you guys didn't think that every time a teen tries something new it'll be like that.

rewdog:
Dual AMD 1.2GHz, 1GB RAM, 2x40GB HD, $1400. Okay, well, at least middle of the line. ;)
Colocation starts at $85/month.
I'm renting Plesk for $30/month.

I don't want to resell. It just seems sorta strange to me. If there's a problem with the server, the customer contacts me, I contact the person who has the dedicated server, who contacts their colocation provider, who contacts a tech guy... Just seems too roundabout, y'know? Also, I'd like to get used to working with Plesk and the server. Never hurts to learn something new.

If I get sick, I'll... stay home from school and be able to help customers more often? :p

And about the car - This is why it's a bad analogy. You can SEE what kind of car it is from looking at it. If it's a Ferrari it's a Ferrari no matter who you buy it from. Y'know?

Alright, I agree it was a bad analogy :D .
Still quite a bit of money though ;) .

Well, yeah, but sometimes it's best to take a few risks. Anyway, I'm buying the server, not leasing it; even in the worst case scenario, I could get it shipped back here, I think.

Originally posted by delemtri
. . . . .And about the car - This is why it's a bad analogy. You can SEE what kind of car it is from looking at it. If it's a Ferrari it's a Ferrari no matter who you buy it from. Y'know? You go looking for a new car (host).
You narrow it down to a couple choices.
You take it for a test drive (free trial)
Two car lots (hosts) refuse to let you test.
They're off the list.
You drive the others for a week.
Everything is perfect at one dealership (host).
You buy one of the cars (one of the hosting packages).
It runs just fine for the first few days (site is up and always fast). Then there are problems.
You take it in for service (support).
You find that the service department is ran by someone that's never driven a car (admined a server).
He tells you there's nothing wrong with the car; it's just the way you drive it (site; you are mistaken).

That's enough for now. I could go on . . . . . but, I think cars and hostin's lots alike :rolleyes: