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adelks 09-26-2001, 06:06 PM The following article apparently struck a resonance around the world. I have been informed that it has been copied off and reposted at websites in places like Norway, Germany, Australia, etc. and so I have reposted it here.
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On September 11th, four teams of hijackers walked past the security at three major metropolitan airports and hijacked four aircraft. Two were crashed into the World Trade Towers, one into the Pentagon, and one was apparently and thankfully shot down before it could reach its target.
The media call these perpetrators terrorists. Given that we don’t really know exactly who they were and what belief systems they were slaves to, we cannot know whether they called themselves holy warriors, freedom fighters, or something else. I doubt they call themselves terrorists for using unconventional tactics, no more than the American colonists who used unconventional tactics that the British found morally repugnant called themselves terrorists.
But what we do know about these people is that they were educated. They were pilots. They were equipped to survive in modern American culture. Minus their hate, they could have been prosperous and successful here. With their hate, because of their hate, they were willing to throw their education, their prosperity, their futures, and their lives away in a blinding flash as aluminum ploughed into concrete with hundreds of innocent lives following just a few feet behind.
How could anyone hate America enough to throw their own lives away in their attacks on the symbols of our nation’s economic and military power? I mean it’s not like someone just wakes up one morning and decides to hijack a jet passenger liner and use it to knock down a skyscraper and is willing to die in the process because there’s nothing good to watch on TV. Nobody wakes up and says, “Gee the baseball game got rained out, let’s go blow up a building.” Anyone willing to commit such a crime as we have seen this week is seriously pissed off about something, and in order to stop more attacks we need to face up to what that something is.
We’re not talking “lone nuts”, but entire teams of people willing to die in their attacks on our buildings and against our citizens. What makes these people so hate us that they would sacrifice their lives in their eagerness to strike at us?
Maybe it’s because America, despite lovely speeches about bringing freedom and democracy to the world, has a record of backing some of the worst dictators to be found. The US Government, for reasons of commercial interest, backed men like Batista and the Shah of Iran, despots who drove their people into poverty to enrich American corporations until their people rebelled. Then we befuddled Americans scratch our heads and wonder why those people don’t seem to like us very much.
Maybe people hate us because what we call Peacekeepers still looks and feels like an invading army to those who stop the bullets, step on the landmines, and catch the bombs.
Maybe it's because the US Government has executed its foreign policy by tricking nations into fighting each other. Saddam was our buddy once, when he was useful to our policy towards Iran. We The People paid for the Supergun. Our government sold Saddam the first of his biological weapons. Then our government decided they didn’t need him any more, told him it would be okay if he invaded Kuwait and declared war on him, blowing up the Supergun and the biological weapons (we hope). Think maybe Saddam carries a grudge? I sure would if I was double crossed like that.
We played the same double cross with Osama Bin Laden, our ally and a CIA contract agent in Afghanistan, funded with $6 billion of YOUR tax dollars, now branded a supervillian worthy of a comic book. Remember the last time our government decided to “take care of Osama?” We blew up an aspirin factory in Sudan. Big joke, that was. You, the taxpayers, not only got to pay for the million-a-shot cruise missiles, you also got to pay to rebuild the aspirin factory when the owners sued the USA, with Vernon Jordan as their attorney! Think the people who worked in that factory (the ones who survived at any rate) like us? I doubt it.
Maybe the reason people in the middle east are willing to conduct holy wars against us is because so many holy wars were conducted against them in the past, going back to the so-called “Holy” Crusades.
Jerusalem was conquered on 7/15/1099 and 60,000 non-Christians were killed. Bodies were slit open to search for gold coins they might have swallowed. Jews who had taken refuge in the city's synagogue were burned alive, thousands of muslims were chopped to death in Al-Aqsa mosque. According to the Archbishop of Tyre, who was an eye-witness, "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition".
After rude behavior like that, nobody would be welcome again.
to be con. ...
adelks 09-26-2001, 06:09 PM con. >>>
Maybe people are willing to use terror attacks against us because we use terror atacks against them. In 1985, authorized by William Casey, the CIA planted a car bomb near a mosque in Beirut to kill Sheik Mohammed Hossein Fadlallah, a muslim cleric. The bomb missed the Sheik but killed 80 people, including children. Is it really okay for us to use tactics we condemn in others? No, it isn't. If they are morally wrong to use car bombs that kill innocent people, then so are we.
Or maybe the reason so many people hate us enough to die attacking us is something as simple as growing up watching your playmates blown to bloody bits before your eyes, and picking up a piece of shrapnel stamped, “Made in the USA”. It is silly to think that anyone could endure a childhood like that and remain entirely positive about the USA. Because for all its public talk of peace, the United States remains the largest exporter of mechanized death in the world. And if it is acceptable for the victims of guns to blame the gun makers for their injuries, it must be equally acceptable for the victims of bombs, missiles, and mines, to blame the weapons makers as well.
It is far less than clear just who is behind the attacks in New York and Washington DC. Fingers have been pointed at Saddam Hussein, Arafat, and ex CIA agent Osama Bin Laden. It may be any one of them. It may be all three. It may be none of them. It could be the work of a third party, unknown and unseen, with the goal of triggering yet another war where the blood of innocents will be bartered for greater wealth and influence. We do know that those who hijacked the planes went to a great deal of effort to steal identities of Middle Eastern Arabs and use them on their forged identifications.
What also know is that wars are often started with deceptions. Sun Tzu states in "The Art Of War" that all warfare is based on deception, and that rulers must cultivate the appearance of moral rightness in order to pursuade their nations to fight.
When Hitler needed the support of the German people to invade Poland, he got it by staging a phony attack complete with dead bodies in Polish uniforms on the German side of the border. Recently declassified documents prove that Pearl Harbor wasn’t quite the total surprise it was claimed to be. And the story about stolen incubators that angered America into support of Desert Storm turned out to be a complete fiction created by Hill & Kowlton, a public relations firm that has grown rich lying to people on behalf of governments, ANY governments, and whose executives have bragged, “We would represent Satan, if he paid us.”
Forget for a moment who was hurt in these attacks, and study who benefited.
A few weeks ago the USA was factionalized, her people justly critical of the policies of the government, questioning even if that government’s taxes were legal, questioning the support of Israel, questioning the handling of the Condit case, questioning Waco, questioning a self-critical nation demanding answers to some tough questions; answers the government did not have.
Now, the United States has been transformed. All criticism is gone, Criticism itself is now deemed to be, instead of the right of the people, an act of treason.
In the blink of an eye our nation has gone from being 266 million thinking citizens wanting to know if the government is right to 266 million conscripts willing to follow the government into war even if it is wrong. In the blink of an eye the people have stopped blaming the government for the worsening economy and shifted that blame to the “terrorists”.
The government of the United States has reasserted its power over the people. It is stronger, much stronger, because if this attack. And any educated student of history would know ahead of time that this strengthening of the US government’s power would be the result of horrendous attacks such as we have seen..
Israel, criticized by the world for its treatment of displaced Palestinians, now finds that criticism silenced. For the foreseeable future, Israel can do what it will with the Palestinians, immune from the censure of the world’s press, burying the Palestininan cause under the rubble of the World Trade Towers.
Unless he is still working for the CIA, Osama Bin Laden would not have wanted to cause any of the changes which have resulted from the horrific attacks on New York and Washington DC. The attacks made the US government stronger. Who benefits from that? That stronger US Government is now ready to wage war against the Arabs. Who benefits from that?
Who really gained from the attacks in New York and Washington DC? Whose political agendas were advanced by the attacks? That is where to look for the planners of the World Trade Towers attacks.
That we have been attacked is certain. But before we send out the cruise missiles to prove how big our national dick is, we had better make sure we are aimed at the right party, and not just being suckered into bombing someone that the real planners and perpetrators of the World Trade Center attack want to trick us into bombing. Because if, in the heat of the moment and the lust for vengence we surrender our basic American principles such as demand for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, then we ourselves will have damaged America and what it stands for far more than those who attacked the World Trade Center could ever do themselves. What the hijackers could not knock down, we will have thrown down ourselves. If we do that, then those who planned and carried out the attacks against the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon will have won, even if we hunt them down and kill them.
Don’t be a slave to your beliefs about what a government could or could not do. History is full of governments that perpetrated monumental frauds upon their own people to trigger a war. Governments HAVE to commit fraud to start a war because most people, especially Americans, refuse to initiate a war of conquest. They have to have the illusion they have been attacked first.
5,000 lives are a lot. But to a government, ours or anyone else’s, it’s a tiny fraction of a percent to sacrifice to bring 100% of the nation under control, isn’t it? And if we go into a protracted war in Afghanistan, a region that has resisted invasion for the last 2000 years, we will soon long for the days when our dead could be counted in mere thousands.
The World Trade Towers cost a billion dollars. That’s 1/10th of a percent of what the Department Of Defense misplaced last year, and a drop in the barrel compared to the worth of the oil sitting under the lands we are about to attack.
Are you really so sure you have been told the truth about what is going on?
SoftWareRevue 09-26-2001, 06:22 PM I'm content that what we have been told happened, is indeed what happened. . . .
On another note; I need to share words written by someone more eloquent than I . . .
http://www.sumpa-kita.com/dalisay/
Published Wednesday, September 12, 2001
Headline: We'll go forward from this moment
It's my job to have something to say.
They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles
the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears
sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words
that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this
suffering.
You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.
What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World
Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn?
Whatever it was, please know that you failed.
Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.
Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.
Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.
Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a
family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family
nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous
emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae - - a singer's revealing dress,
a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by
the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because
of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement.
We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We
struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the
overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and
loving God.
Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us
weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that
cannot be measured by arsenals.
IN PAIN
Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're
still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still
working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from
some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy
novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable
final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of
terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history
of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.
But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us
fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last
time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt
and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage,
terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will
bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of
justice.
I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I
think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with
dread of the future.
In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers
pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be
done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened
security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from
this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably
determined.
THE STEEL IN US
You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of
our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On
this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.
As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans,
we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.
So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that
maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the
case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange:
You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't
know what you just started.
But you're about to learn.
"grace"
adelks 09-26-2001, 06:43 PM check this site, you might change your mind!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
MCHost-Marc 09-26-2001, 07:07 PM I personally think that the person (no matter who) that built this website and took the time to write down all of this would not be able to rebuild the global or even american economy after what happened. Simply writing down conspiracy theories, mixing Bin Laden with Alexander the Great, Israelis and Palestinians and even Hitler will not resolve anything.
The real thruth is that thousands of innocent people have been killed on September 11th and the World Trade Towers completely destroyed.
Of course, no government or individual on this world is perfect, but if nothing is done against terrorism, it might be that we won't be waking up in a week or a month from now. And this is the real truth that everyone has to face.
UmBillyCord 09-26-2001, 07:09 PM I love alarmist. Especially conspiracy theory freaks who are afraid of their own shadows. I also feel sorry for the fools who believe this.
SiperNet 09-26-2001, 07:18 PM Originally posted by adelks
check this site, you might change your mind!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
Ahhh ya, you know what I think aliens hijacked the airplanes and crashed them, better yet I think the Roswell crap was actually the aliens trying to crash planes into buildings back then but they missed!! There is no half assed off the wall damn site going to convince me or hopefully anyone else that we will not do the right thing and find and "bring to justice" Osama and his band of walking dead.
SoftWareRevue 09-26-2001, 07:28 PM Originally posted by adelks
check this site, you might change your mind!
. . . . .Nope. Read it. It's crap. I think you just wanted to stir up something that isn't there.:rolleyes:
Planet Z 09-26-2001, 09:12 PM Originally posted by adelks
Two were crashed into the World Trade Towers, one into the Pentagon, and one was apparently and thankfully shot down before it could reach its target.
I stopped reading after this. No plane was ever shot down. The only thing that was shot is the credibility of this article, whatever it states, in my eyes.
microsol 09-26-2001, 09:18 PM Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Nope. Read it. It's crap. I think you just wanted to stir up something that isn't there.:rolleyes:
WHO knows..... :look: :look: :look:
klisis 09-26-2001, 09:59 PM Oh, I didn't know we were going to declare war on aliens?
SiperNet 09-26-2001, 10:09 PM Originally posted by klisis
Oh, I didn't know we were going to declare war on aliens?
You bet, those sneaky little bastards are up to something!! :D
Aloha
hehehheheheh
this conspiracy makes me laugh
just as umbilly said
man why cant they just accept that this stuff happens
yes our govenrment could be behind it sure anything is possible but people love to sensationalize stuff and think up all this stuff !!!!!!!
this is why america is getting ripped apart also from freaks that push this crap !!!!!
the media hypes stuff and causes panic more than anything maybe the media did it so they have a good story ????
I would believe this more !!!!!!
maybe the national enquirer people did it ????
man this kind of stuff steams my twinkies !!!!!!!
Chicken 09-27-2001, 02:09 AM Originally posted by adelks
But what we do know about these people is that they were educated. They were pilots. They were equipped to survive in modern American culture. Minus their hate, they could have been prosperous and successful here. With their hate, because of their hate, they were willing to throw their education, their prosperity, their futures, and their lives away in a blinding flash as aluminum ploughed into concrete with hundreds of innocent lives following just a few feet behind.
I'll ignore that website posted as anyone can come up with all of the conspiracy theories and often the theroies are flawed and the only way of knowing what really happened is to have been there.
The above quote however, seems a bit off. Yes, they were educated, but in what? These aren't Harward grads who snapped. These people were educated but they did not throw their education away, nor their prosperity, nor futures because of their hate.
They hated and that is the reason they became educated and became pilots. Their future was their death, not the other way around.
And I firmly believe that.
adelks 09-27-2001, 02:57 AM I post this artical because I felt that most of us doesn't really know what is going on. although I disagree with a lot of what that man said, I still fell that he has a point!
For Example, CNN give the list of suspects. Flight 93 was flown by Saeed al-Ghamdi while Abdulrahman al-Omari was supposed to be at the controls of flight 11. read it here : http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/22/inv.investigation.terrorism/index.html
what funny is that both men are still alive! in fact, on of them walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media!!
After that, CNN said that the men who hijacked those aircraft were using phony IDs http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/
yet, they are still using those names and saying that those are the hijackers!
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. , written a nice artical titled "Shoot the Neighbor's Cat!" at :
http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2001/010915_shoot_cat.html
he said that the frist thing we should do is "For a start, turn off CNN!"
Chicken 09-27-2001, 04:34 AM Yes, he has a point, I could have a point, but my only point is that he has a point. Having a point and stating the facts are two different things.
what funny is that both men are still alive! in fact, on of them walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media!!
And you have a first hand account of this? Or is this something else that you read by the media, so really you don't know which media source is mistaken, but you are choosing to believe one over the other based on absolutely nothing.
Flip a coin.
Now I'm not saying that everything reported will be accurate, only that you shouldn't buy into the first conspiracy theory you read, nor automatically believe one thing you read over another just because someone reports it as 'the truth'.
It is not my job to find out and punish those who are responsible for this. I have to put my faith in the hands of those whose job *is* to find out who is responsible for this. I'll leave the junior detective work to the person who runs that site (that doesn't open).
First mission:
Find out why the U.S. government shut down http://www.whatreallyhappened.com - what are they trying to hide? Coincidence? I think not...
Skeptical 09-27-2001, 05:34 AM I don't know of all the facts in that article, but I do know this:
TV and Radio media is a bunch of massive BS. Their mission is to increase eyeballs and make more money. To do that they must whisper sweet words into our ears, of things we "want" to hear. If they don't we might not watch. That's a cold fact.
Next time you watch CBS news, watch how they add in things about Survivor or Big Brother... Watch how they put the most interesting gossip at the end and string you along right before every single commercial break... Every other week there'll be some "special" about some "magical way to lose weight"... Then there's the softcore porn they show every once in a while, with headlines like "what are kids up to these days?" Then it's the spin on their reporting. Remember Code Red? When it first hit I saw a local news reporting on tv saying it came from China!!! Just because the websites it defaced contained some words insinuating it? Talk about IDIOTIC reporting.
TV is a very passive medium. But don't become passive. Look beyond the tube. They don't call it the "BOOB TUBE" for nothing.
Aloha
Skeptical and others I am with ya on media is a big BS and is a root problem
I was sickened by a reporter that was trying to stop the workers coming out of the rubble and asking if they saw body parts and what it was like when the guy said I dont want to talk to you the reporter kept pushing "Well are there any whole bodies or are they only parts"
Man I would have decked that reporter and said you need some mental help
I wish the reporters would have some respect and stop people like that and say we thank you and would you like to tell your frineds and family hello and that the people are behind you !!!!
man reporters make me sick (most of them)
klisis 09-27-2001, 11:29 AM Hey, I got a question.
What are you going to do with this stuff anyway, Sue those behind this so-called conspiracy?
MattF 09-27-2001, 12:55 PM Educated??? Ever heard of propaganda and peer pressure.
markblair 09-27-2001, 01:18 PM To the following:
Posted by Kiwi:
Simply writing down conspiracy theories, mixing Bin Laden with Alexander the Great, Israelis and Palestinians and even Hitler will not resolve anything.
Posted by UmBillyCord
I love alarmist. Especially conspiracy theory freaks who are afraid of their own shadows. I also feel sorry for the fools who believe this.
Posted by Planet Z
I stopped reading after this. No plane was ever shot down. The only thing that was shot is the credibility of this article, whatever it states, in my eyes.
...The point of this reply by me is that anyone that tries to bring up conspiracy theories has 1. too much time on their hands and 2. probably is the type of person that goes to movie theatres and critiques movies for all the "flaws" they find.
Injustice was brought onto not only the United States but the entire world. If these hijackers (because that's what they were) thought they were just taking out America, they were wrong. Many companies, some with offices in other countries, had offices in the WTC. And the economy, as bad as it is, will be effected by this globally. Not just in the United States. Something has to be done and guess what? Something will be done.
Fish_Saver 09-30-2001, 07:28 PM I did so search and found out that tax money exceeding 150 billion dollars has been given out to foreign aid in the past several years. I pay taxes in the US. Man we should stop given anyone money - I could use a new car. :D But, I am concerned can you guys tell me where the rest of the money went? You accounted for a small percentage. I like to know where all of it went, not part. Then I will write my congressman.
Planet Z 09-30-2001, 08:53 PM Originally posted by Fish_Saver
I did so search and found out that tax money exceeding 150 billion dollars has been given out to foreign aid in the past several years.
Er, if this is the best conspiracy theory you can come up with, you need to get out more. Have you not read a newspaper or magazine or watched TV or talked to any intelligent being in the last couple of years? The US has always given other countries vast amounts of aid, be it monetary, military, etc.
Fish_Saver 10-01-2001, 06:33 AM You completely missed the point. You are only accounting for a small percentage. Just think maybe the other 150 billion went to research A-Bombs in North Korea or help African rebels (terrorists). Or maybe, just maybe, it went for things that help feed people, medical expenses, infrastructure improvements.... like I am told.
I just don't know and think that if we are spending money to keep aliens secret from society and not release the stirling engine we ought to get all the cards on the table.
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