Hey, guys and gals, this is a heads up to all you hosts out there to stay away from any business from http://www.semicustomwebsites.com/
aka Jerry Sumton

They are well known spammers and we had the lucky task of deleting there account this morning, so they are most likely looking for a new host to use. We are taking action against this company ourselves and we hope you will stay away from there business. Thanks.

Looks like he found a host already.

Dare I ask? What is a semi custom web site? :D :cartman:

Originally posted by Palm
Looks like he found a host already.

They never used us to host there web site, they just uploaded 9mb of files ( not sure what ) and then used the email to to spam people. GERRRR!!!

Maybe it's time to start rate-limiting emails?

If you impose technical measures to stop spamming then you won't need to worry about catching these people quickly.

You can add the customer at http://hostabuse.com

Originally posted by cperciva
Maybe it's time to start rate-limiting emails?

If you impose technical measures to stop spamming then you won't need to worry about catching these people quickly.

Unfortunatly that client was on my reseller account at VO and there isnt much I can do in that respect, since I don't have control of the server. We are however, taking measures on our IMINbudget.com server to see this doesnt happen on that servers.

Maybe we can create a list of these spammer's website to help host providers to be careful before allowing them to sign up.

What do you think?

Originally posted by collief
Maybe we can create a list of these spammer's website to help host providers to be careful before allowing them to sign up.

What do you think?

http://hostabuse.com/

You can add the customer at http://hostabuse.com We dealt with the semicustomwebsites.com in April of this year --- GGGrrrr is right! I had no idea Host Abuse existed.. Had I known, this site definitely would have been included along with the many others that we have dealt with. We've often talked about the need for a site like hostabuse.com but were never able to dedicate the time to such a task.

I just want to note that I am tickled pink to see someone stepped up to the plate! I just signed up and am awaiting approval. Let's hope this site gets the support it needs to succeed!

If there is something FutureQuest can do to help it along let us know.

Originally posted by Deb
We dealt with the semicustomwebsites.com in April of this year --- GGGrrrr is right! I had no idea Host Abuse existed.. Had I known, this site definitely would have been included along with the many others that we have dealt with. We've often talked about the need for a site like hostabuse.com but were never able to dedicate the time to such a task.

I just want to note that I am tickled pink to see someone stepped up to the plate! I just signed up and am awaiting approval. Let's hope this site gets the support it needs to succeed!

If there is something FutureQuest can do to help it along let us know.

I signed up with hostabuse a few months ago but was never able to log into my account. I would always get errors and such. Now I have forgotten my password! Gosh what a day this has turned out to be.

Originally posted by Mike
You can add the customer at http://hostabuse.com

Hostabuse sucks! We signed up with them more than one month ago and our password didn't work from the very first moment. Sending two or three emails to their support team asking for a new password did not help! :mad:

Originally posted by microsol


Hostabuse sucks! We signed up with them more than one month ago and our password didn't work from the very first moment. Sending two or three emails to their support team asking for a new password did not help! :mad: Same experience here. Looks like it's a good concept that no one wants to spend any time maintaining.

Originally posted by Intelligent Hosting
Same experience here. Looks like it's a good concept that no one wants to spend any time maintaining.

If I put something together, in the form of a forum would you guys be interested in that? Where hosts are only allowed to join?

Originally posted by Haze


If I put something together, in the form of a forum would you guys be interested in that? Where hosts are only allowed to join?

Yeah would be cool and needed. Also should include ANY information about abuse and fraud. Emails used, aliases used, Addresses used, kind of abuse or fraud. Maybe all hosts could make a list here what info would be necesary for them. Also, hosts should be at least 6-12 month in business to be able to signup.

Certainly the WHOIS information should be included with the domain name so that when the domain is dropped and re-ordered by an innocent bystander the previous history isn't used against them.

I believe most do, if not should, store the IP number used to make orders as well and this IP number should be included with the claim.

I've caught more than one this way -- When you have more than one bogus order coming in off of the exact same IP it is kind of a clue!

Possibly even short notes describing patterns...I've one (&$^& that enjoys making the exact same comment with every order even though the rest of the details provided are different.

And finally there certainly should be a criteria for who can add to such a database. It's ashame how quickly the database can become useless because of those who are willing to add bogus entries in an effort to 'get back' at someone else :(

The idea is an excellent one that I think most of us in the business have thought of. To sweeten the deal I'm sure, IF DONE PROPERLY it's one that would make the owners a good deal of money as a paid service. It's also something that would take time and dedication to pull off. This could easily become a full time job.

Well, its not going to be anything fancy, just yet anyways. A simple password protected DIR and phpBB inside. I don't want to charge for this! Im not interested in the money. However, if you guys want more than what I mentioned above I will need to charge money so I can hire a programer to do it all.

I put this together last night, and will most likely finish everything by tonight or tomorrow. But for the mean time you can sign up and you will get a reply when it is all ready to go.

http://nospam.vitalogy.org

Originally posted by Haze
http://nospam.vitalogy.org

Hmm, i think i have a small problem with this. Why not noabuse....org?
The real problem is not spam related. I think it's more important what others mentioned in this thread. Names, whois information, IP numbers, type of fraud and whatever. This doesn't include spam. You won't loose anything but time if someone spams, but what do you loose if someone puts one or more fraudulent orders? What is with hosts which get hit from customers charging back after 3 or more month AFTER they have left? There are so many fraud posibilities out there that we (hosts) really should stick together to help each other. Also, hosts subscribing should agree to a TOS making the points to use the forums or whatever software very clear.

Originally posted by microsol


Hmm, i think i have a small problem with this. Why not noabuse....org?
The real problem is not spam related. I think it's more important what others mentioned in this thread. Names, whois information, IP numbers, type of fraud and whatever. This doesn't include spam. You won't loose anything but time if someone spams, but what do you loose if someone puts one or more fraudulent orders? What is with hosts which get hit from customers charging back after 3 or more month AFTER they have left? There are so many fraud posibilities out there that we (hosts) really should stick together to help each other. Also, hosts subscribing should agree to a TOS making the points to use the forums or whatever software very clear.

Its not just spam, you will see after yo sign up. I wasnt really thinking clear when I made the site, it was 3 am and I had been working all day :confused: A

Originally posted by Haze


Its not just spam, you will see after yo sign up. I wasnt really thinking clear when I made the site, it was 3 am and I had been working all day :confused: A

Hmm, i just signed up but i am afraid i did not fill in the correct email. Please PM me to correct this. Thx.

Everyone,

I think that this is something that more than just hosts could use. I think that web design/developers could use this also. As far as I know nobody has done anything from their stand point. I can't tell you how many times we have invested time into a design only to have the group back out at the last moment. TIME should equal MONEY not FLUSTRATION.

I fully understand what you are saying about the hosting side. You will be billed for the throughput whether they pay or not. Also, I wonder how many resellers get nailed by these people. Not having my own NOC, I do not know how they divvy up the cost of a bad end-user.

Anyway, I think that this an exceptional idea, one that I am going to persue. I have to agree with Deb and Haze though, I think the final product will have to be a pay service on a yearly basis, probably not too much, but enough to cover hosting and support costs for it.

I would want to make it as flexible as possible. I am going to start putting toghether a design of what I think needs to go into it. I will post an address once I have the specs laid out. If anyone would like to send me ideas, I would appreciate it. I will give anyone who really works with me on this free access to the site.

Email me any ideas, I am not 100% sure what would need to go in for hosting side.

Haze, I hope this is not stepping on your ideas at all.

Thanks,

Originally posted by eclipsewebs
Guys,

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by microsol


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sorry microsol, I had a little spastic keyboarding episode. I editted it.

Eclipsewebs: I would like to invite Web Developers to join as well, I just don't except every application, for obvious security reasons.

I think it would also benefit everyone if we list companies that do use spam for advertising, so we can stay away from them as well... I should be posting this inside the forum :P PooF!

http://www.semicustomwebsites.com/ or freeview.com or http://www.mod-sites.com/ or http://www.mod-sites.net/ ???
I got a Spam This morning from www.mod-sites.com which goes to .net .
All of the sites above are the same ..(??).

---------------------------------------------------------------
Hello,

I am contacting you about xxxxx.com, regarding a few development
ideas I have for building your website. My team of developers have completed
a modular website system that has significantly lowered the cost of
websites utilizing databases. I'm quite anxious to build a proposal using
our suite of development services for want2shop.com. I would appreciate
speaking with you or your Webmaster in more detail.

By choosing to use a pre-developed database, you will save thousands
of dollars. We can develop the look and functionality of a $15,000
website for a $499 activation fee and $49 per month for hosting and
module updates

John Basil Sr.
Sales and Marketing

Modular Websites


.......and the email goes on and on...
--------------------------------------------------------------

Thats him again! still at it! GERRRR!!

Haze - Build It and We Will Come!

Just let us know.

Building a database of abusive clients is all well and good.

Would it not be better to contact the sites new hosts and spill the beans on them?

Originally posted by cperciva
Maybe it's time to start rate-limiting emails?

If you impose technical measures to stop spamming then you won't need to worry about catching these people quickly.

AND HOW WILL YOU DO THAT.

:confused: :confused:

just take a look at this domain.

bulkemailzone.net

i just received order for this and i rejected to host it.

here is who-is output for this domain:

http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=bulkemailzone.net&SearchType=do&STRING2.x=19&STRING2.y=15



Organization:
a
a a
a
a, a a
UZ
Phone: 1111111111
Fax..: 1111111111
Email: hostmaster@bulkemailzone.net

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: BULKEMAILZONE.NET

Created on..............: Wed, May 02, 2001
Expires on..............: Thu, May 02, 2002
Record last updated on..: Sun, Oct 21, 2001

Administrative Contact:
a
a a
a
a, a a
UZ
Phone: 1111111111
Fax..: 1111111111
Email: hostmaster@bulkemailzone.net

Technical Contact:
a
a a
a
a, a a
UZ
Phone: 1111111111
Fax..: 1111111111
Email: hostmaster@bulkemailzone.net

Zone Contact:
a
a a
a
a, a a
UZ
Phone: 1111111111
Fax..: 1111111111
Email: hostmaster@bulkemailzone.net




any way i don't think this problem can be stoped by puting some directory etc. all they can do is they can act as web master for xxxx.com domain the host it. the moment you activate the domain they upload there spam.txt and start script. after 10-12 hrs when you check your logs you came to know you are pissed off by spammer. now what you can do. worse, after 30-45 days you was told about chargeback from your credit card company.

he he he. i wonder, i can do something in this regards, the only way i think is to disable xxx number of emailing in 1 day from every hosting account. normally one will not send more then 100 emails a day so we can set the quota of sending out only 100 emails. but how can you stop "nobody" proccess. woooooo.

keep thinking. :D

hi,

what if the "customer" signed up for a dedicated or virtual dedicated server? how do we limit the emails?

how do we configure sendmail to limit emails per day anyway, or is it just in your ToS?

I know communitech.net do it technically, i wonder how to configure?

please advise

thanks.

Originally posted by myst
hi,

what if the "customer" signed up for a dedicated or virtual dedicated server? how do we limit the emails?

how do we configure sendmail to limit emails per day anyway, or is it just in your ToS?

I know communitech.net do it technically, i wonder how to configure?

please advise

thanks.

the root cause of problem is "nobody" user. when spamer run script proccesss is run as nobody. now you can not stop nobody.

i know one apache module after installation it sends user name with cgi-scripts. now you have user name with you so you can program mail software to stop after no. email per hour or something like that. but my provider told me there are lots of headaches with it and go on your own risk. so i haven't tried it. i don't remember module name but you can surely ask in techincal forms somebody must be knowing it.

:cool:

Is this person's name Jerry Sumpton? I sure hope not, because that is a client's name of mine..

Originally posted by TotalHst
Is this person's name Jerry Sumpton? I sure hope not, because that is a client's name of mine..

Thats his name. He used js@sumpton.com to sign up with us. He probably has many other email accounts as well.

Aloha
well glad the idiots have been hitting me the last few days with spam
arghhhhh

Originally posted by Haze
Hey, guys and gals, this is a heads up to all you hosts out there to stay away from any business from http://www.semicustomwebsites.com/
aka Jerry Sumton

They are well known spammers and we had the lucky task of deleting there account this morning, so they are most likely looking for a new host to use. We are taking action against this company ourselves and we hope you will stay away from there business. Thanks.

That is the email he used... what should we do? Hes a new dedicated client..

If it were me I would take there server ( hopefully co-located ) out into a field and stick a couple sticks of dynamite inside step back a few miles and... KAAAAAAAAABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Edit: Alternatively you could send it off to afghanastan, to like Kabul, that should take care of it.

If your terms don't have any drastic fees for reports of spamming or being found guilty of spamming, it might be a nice time to add something in and drain his cash supply. :) (yes, that would be mean and immoral... but fun at the same time!) Talk to him, make sure he understands the rules and do make a hefty fine for spamming since it takes time to deal with it all and can potentially put you at a money gap due to all the time spent on it.

I don't think there is any real way to get spammers to pay up even if you do have it set in your terms. The only thing you could really do is take them to court and you need cash for that and by the time your done you might be both bone dry. Unless there are other options I do not no about that is?