Hello, my upstream provider, is refusing to give me more IP space, does anybody, know, if i can request IP allocation directly from ARIN?

http://www.arin.net/regserv.html :)

Yes, i know that, but, did anybody do that?

Everyone who wants the IPs goes through that. Looks like fun doesn't it :eek3:

The honest answer for you is there is no way in He11 they are going to give you a IP the fewest you can even request is a class c and i dont even think they hand those out anymore. Its a good long several month process to get IP's and thats if you can understand everything they ask of your and do it correctly, which in itself is almost impossible.

Not trying to be mean, basically im trying to keep you from wasting your time.

Out of curiosity what host do you use, ive never heard of a reputable host refusing to hand out additional ips as long as your using your existing ones approp.

One of our upstreams provide IPs @ no charge - the other charges us $2 per IP. Just curious, which is reasonable?

--Tina

Arin does charge a couple cents a year per IP, so 2.00/ip/month seems very reasonable.... :) jjk thats rediculous 2.00/IP i didnt know that hosts even charged for IP's anymore, thats rediculous...

Well in all fairness... Review the Arin.net link provided above. The _cost_ of the IP certainly isn't all that's involved.

One could easily argue...if you can get them from arin cheaper, go for it.

It's just not as simple as writing a check. Yet again we sit on these on these forums refusing to acknowledge the costs of knowledge and time. As well as forgetting that the provider still needs to maintain those IPs etc etc etc

All in all it's just a matter of how many the host has already obtained and how many they have to give away. For some they have excess availability and others do not....the cost is undoubtedly a reflection of that.

I think ARIN charges a yearly fee for IPs in CIDR blocks. The minimum block is /20 which is $2,500/year, /18 is $5,000/year etc... and add another $500/year for an ASN.

That is correct, 16 class C minimum, AND you need to be using 8 class C's already, when we first asked aring for IP's we where using 9, and letme tell you, they where a pain, we had to show every single IP and what sites was using it and agree to return those to the upstream before we where able to ask for more

and the price tag isn't cheap either ;)

Yep :)

and i think they'll ask you to send them a copy of receipts of your routers, switches and other equipment.

Originally posted by elijah
I think ARIN charges a yearly fee for IPs in CIDR blocks. The minimum block is /20 which is $2,500/year, /18 is $5,000/year etc... and add another $500/year for an ASN.

What's rate of IP address if we buy directly from ARIN.
Do they charge ontime fee or per year basis.

they charge a yearly fee, the smallest amount is $2,500 and goes up to $20,000 plus $500 for an ASN.

Moving the server(s) to another network center who provides IPs might be another solution. It might mean downtime for the customers on the box, but at least you'll get more IPs for (1) your existing customers should they need it for SSL or Anon FTP or whatnot and (2) new customers requesting same.

Depending on the size of your operation at a NOC, if you threaten to leave and go to another provider simply because they offer you IPs (even if you have to buy them) and your current NOC doesn't, they may reconsider and scrounge up some IPs somewhere. From what I've heard (and seen), most NOCs are empty and need to keep those racks filled. If I were a NOC and someone (even only paying $300 a month or something) was going to leave because I was not providing them IPs (even for a small cost), I'd hand them the IPs. Their business is worth more than the IPs. :)

Just my view anyway.

Originally posted by elijah
they charge a yearly fee, the smallest amount is $2,500 and goes up to $20,000 plus $500 for an ASN.

FOR HOW MANY IP'S.
Can we buy IP for lifetime.

AHHHHHHHH you people arent listening :)

2500.00 a year is for like 16 class c's or something like that which is thousadns and thousands of IP's so the price per IP is like 2 cents and IP or something like that a year.

AHHHHHHHH you people arent listening

:D


Unless you can show use of 8 class C's (that is 2048 IP's), then don't bother e-mailing ARIN. The minimum you can buy is 16 Class C's (4096 IP's). It is $2500 per year for that block. That is 5 cents a month per IP address.

My bad i didnt major in math :)

The best solution for you would be to insist and assist your upstream provider to get more IPs.

Show to him that he needs to do the move; you don't use enough already... He will need more IP if he's any serious about his business & care to expand.

Once you use tons of those... you will be able to get your own block, which is definately worth it.

Like Charles said its definately a long process, and the cost your provider charges varies, $2 per IP is a bit steep, but you have to remember they have to manage reverse dns for the IP's, keep rwhois servers updated constantly, maintain domain to ip lists. It took me about 2 weeks to process my arin registration but that was because I was already using 25 class c's, had reverse dns setup for every customer, even the ones who only had 1 or 2 IP's allocated to them (not virtuals just dedicateds) had domain to ip lists for every domain on the network.

Even then the paperwork was not fun at all :(

So, if your provider is refusing to give you any additional IP space there has to be a reason, either your wasting them, or have more than 20% free (i think everybody forgot to mention that you have to be using more than 80% of the IP's of 8 class c's or more before you goto arin)

Of course, also, unless you have more than 20 class c's from your provider you will have to renumber ALL your IP's if you go with arin, or at least a part of them. I opted not to because thats one enormous task, so instead of requesting more than 16 class c's i kept my 25 verio class c's and got the largest allocation I could get without having to renumber the rest of my IP's.

So unless your using 8 class c's don't even think of arin, and if it makes you cringe the fact that you'll have to renumber those IP's then don't think of arin either, unless of course your using more than 16-20, then they might not require you to renumber them.



P.S. I almost forgot to mention, the 2 weeks with arin was after i spent 2 weeks getting my systems ready, rwhois setup, domain lists compiled, so yeh all in all the first one did take about a month.

why wont your upstream provider issue you more ip's?

are you following arin regulations?