In an unending quest to get myself a faster net connection (no DSL, no Cable, no Satellite, and no 56k available), I was thinking about having a T-1 line installed and then setting up a little server to run a small hosting business off of. (If that went well, I would expand.)

I saw here TransOptics Deal (http://www.transoptics.com/hsa.html) that you can get a T-1 for $250 a month.

What other costs are involved with the T-1? Obviously some sort of setup fee...how much is that? I tried to search the forums for T-1, but the word is too short.

Ask them what the Local Loop would cost to have it run to your home. This would be an additional monthly fee, unless something has changed since I last looked....

Well thats not really a good idea, hosting a server in your own home is very very bad. You prolly don't have redundant power and cooling facilaties for it, and the T1 won't be reliable enough to be used for a server, thats proably why its only 250, and not 5000 like you would usually pay.....


Besides running a T1 you would have to purchase IP's, buy a router, and maybe a switch depending on how you setup your network, and several backup solutions, just incase that T1 went out....

not to mention that you would have to have someone at your home and ready work at anytime. (i.e. 3 am in the morning or when your on vacation.)

Running a server from your home is fine for a one site deal, but when you have businesses, depending on you, it becomes very different.

Jim

If your in the Bay Area (San Francisco, etc) I recommend bayarea.net

Thanks, Deb. If I choose to go forward with it, I'll be sure to check on that Local Loop pricing before making any moves.

Originally posted by The Prohacker
Well thats not really a good idea, hosting a server in your own home is very very bad. You prolly don't have redundant power and cooling facilaties for it,Actually I do have redundant power in a $1000 generator. :) Cooling isn't an issue here, it never gets above 80 in the room.

Originally posted by The Prohacker
and the T1 won't be reliable enough to be used for a server, thats proably why its only 250, and not 5000 like you would usually pay.....Ah, so there are different quality levels of T-1. I didn't know that.

Originally posted by The Prohacker
Besides running a T1 you would have to purchase IP's, buy a router, and maybe a switch depending on how you setup your network, and several backup solutions, just incase that T1 went out.... I am guessing the router, switch, and all that is not just some simple linksys job. This is what I was wondering about, expected upfront costs and other such hiddens. Heck, I'd almost consider a $250 T-1 just for my own use, but figured there was more to it.

Originally posted by jimb
not to mention that you would have to have someone at your home and ready work at anytime. (i.e. 3 am in the morning or when your on vacation.) Running a server from your home is fine for a one site deal, but when you have businesses, depending on you, it becomes very different.Oh, I wouldn't market it as a hosting option for businesses or sites with importance. It would be a half-ass solution and would be presented as such...thus prices would have to be considerably lower than elsewhere in the vein of you get what you pay for. Probably get about 10 friends to put personal sites on it and then try to grab another 10 or fifteen...just enough to bring in about $200 a month. -If- that worked out and I wanted to make a go of it in a professional manner, I would definitely not host in home.

Originally posted by x5media
If your in the Bay Area (San Francisco, etc) I recommend bayarea.net Thanks, not anywhere near the Bay Area, but that site did help me see some of the other costs that would be associated in this endeavor.


I think everyone is right...the costs beyond the "$250 a month" as well as the hassle of providing hosting on such a small scale (even if not done as a business) just make this a situation I doubt I want to get into.

Frustrating...I was hoping to find a way to the world of broadband. 20kbps blows.

Hey,

Just a thought, Im on the Cable @Home network, and im running at around 2200kps or 2.2MBPS.

Its awsome, considering there are about 4 other people in our whole area who are using @HOME, its still too new for people to realize, and the price is a bit high for access ($39.95/month).

Its great now, hope it lasts.

Jim

Originally posted by jimb
and the price is a bit high for access ($39.95/month).

Jim

39.95 dollar too much? You want that kind aff access for the same cost as a Chuppa Chup popsicle?

Be very happy with what you have. Others would love to come over and take that connection for the exact price from you anytime and be very happy with it.

I have @home too and it really rocks.

Originally posted by jimb
and the price is a bit high for access ($39.95/month).That's pretty cheap actually. I'd gladly pay double what you are for that 2Mbps access if I could get it. Technically I'm paying $48 a month for my 20kbps dial up access now ($33 for the QWest extra phone line + $15 for Earthlink).

Btw, that's a 2Mbps connection, not a 2MBps connection. Big difference. :stickout

No guys, what im saying is that for people around my neighborhood, and access area, the price of $39.95/month is much more than most are willing to pay. Most people in my area have the AOL or Juno accounts, and those go for anywhere around $10.00 to $20.00/month.

I like the price and im not complaining, im just explaining why people wouldnt jump on the offer.

Jim

Lurker:

First of all, there are not really many 'quality' of T1 lines. If you get a T1 line and your provider has no free bandwidth, it will be slow to a crawl. However if they guarantee you a T1 connection straight to the backbones (which means you can get all the speed, all the time), you have a pretty cool deal.

You don't need a router unless you plan to host more than 50 servers really... As you only have a T1, you can only host so much before it'll be slow.

You can use a comon $150 switch (D-link 8 ports switch 10/100)
or soemthing a bit more fancy if you can afford it.

Your provider will allocate you IPS, which you can use at your will. No need for a $20,000 router here.

If you do it for fun, I suggest that you be honest with potential customers. Do not blind them into believing you have a huge protected NOC when all it is is a garage with a video system ;)

Enjoy...

and the T1 won't be reliable enough to be used for a server, thats proably why its only 250, and not 5000 like you would usually pay.....

Hmm... 5000*12=$60,000 per year plus setups - about £40,000 in our money.

For that I can get:

1 x Decent server £4000
1 x Air Con £1500
1 x 2Mb line from provider 1 £15,000 (router inc)
1 x 2Mb line from provider 2 £15,000 (router inc)
1 x BGP feed £2000
1 x UPS £1000
1 x Decent alarm system £1500

= £40,000

I've never seen a T1 costing $5000 per month, even in the UK.... For that amount it would be fairly straightforward to set up a pretty decent little outfit for a few servers.

Alternatively you could get a rack in a datacentre with redundant 2Mb feeds and all the UPS, air con, security etc you could handle for less than $25k.

I know this guy wants to get a nice connection for his home, but I think your example was a little extreme. ;)

Hi guys,

Check out this website .. http://www.blkbox.com/index.html .. when I was still living in Houston .. this guys was running an ISP using a T1 from his house .. as a hobby. I think he's using a DS-3 now ... hehe..

Talk about expensive hobby huh ?... .:)

a DS3 from his house?:D I wish i was him!

Originally posted by jimb
...and the price is a bit high for access ($39.95/month).

You call that expensive!? I pay $200/month just to use a crappy 32k dialup account for a few hours per day (56k won't work on my line because of line noise). I'd have to pay about $800/month if I wanted to use it all day. Don't get me wrong, Ireland is a nice country, but Internet access here is probably one of the most expensive in the world.

Originally posted by avara


You call that expensive!? I pay $200/month just to use a crappy 32k dialup account for a few hours per day (56k won't work on my line because of line noise). I'd have to pay about $800/month if I wanted to use it all day. Don't get me wrong, Ireland is a nice country, but Internet access here is probably one of the most expensive in the world.

:eek2:

and the price is a bit high for access ($39.95/month).

i wish. adsl costs about £40 per month (just short of $60) here in the UK, and i swear that my 56k modem would run faster sometimes!

I currently pay $39.95/mo. for dsl. No complaints here, we get along fine. :rolleyes:

is dsl faster than adsl?

"is dsl faster than adsl?"

There are two types of DSL.

1-ADSL is mostly for home users, it has fast download speed, but slow uploads.

2-SDSL is used mostly in offices, it has the same download/upload speed.

I'm using ADSL. :)

i'm happy with my 1.39 mbps cable line that i pay 40/month for, but i think it can go faster :(
it used to, until rogers took over shaw in our area:bawling:

Crap..... I'm getting DSL from Sprint, and I think I made a big mistake.

I think I should have went with Cable from COX.....

dang, and Sprint got me with a year contract. :bawling:

All I can say, if I don't get at least an average of 50kbps on upload and download..... I'm going to scream for a refund.

I will be happy with that at least because it is much faster than my 4kbps, on my 56k.

Praying..... Praying.... Praying

Originally posted by Bogdan
There's more than two DSL protocols that fall under the DSL umbrella, though the two you mentioned (ADSL and SDSL, Asynchronous and Synchronous) are the most commonly used. There are actually different types of ADSL even, like CAP or DMT encoded. There's also RADSL, HDSL, IDSL (ISDN/DSL hybrid), etc.

Originally posted by Félix C.Courtemanche
[B]If you do it for fun, I suggest that you be honest with potential customers. Do not blind them into believing you have a huge protected NOC when all it is is a garage with a video system ;)Absolutely. I'm nothing if not honest. Although I doubt I will be doing this now as it seems to be a lot of work, if I do go ahead, I will be totally upfront about the setup. :)


Originally posted by jimb
No guys, what im saying is that for people around my neighborhood, and access area, the price of $39.95/month is much more than most are willing to pay. Most people in my area have the AOL or Juno accounts, and those go for anywhere around $10.00 to $20.00/month.Ah, I understand what you mean now. And you've hit the head of the nail concerning the main problem broadband companies are running into...the demand is nowhere near what they expected because most people just don't care to pay for anything more than occasional use 56k dialup right now. They are waiting for their own version of a 'killer app' that will make the broadband speeds much more desirable for the average home user.

What they fail to understand (in my opinion) is that a killer app that requires broadband type connections is a rather significant undertaking such as movie studios agreeing to stream A-list movies or such. They aren't going to be interested in pushing the timetable up for that endeavor until the broadband community (potential customer base) is much larger. So it's like a Catch-22...broadband isps don't want to spend the money to bring DSL/Cable to any but the most dense communities (and even then only slowly) until their is a big demand for it; average users won't have a big demand for it (beyond file sharing pirates) until there is a significant application that takes advantage of it; and application/content providers won't be investing in the infrastructure to provide that big content until they have a larger customer base to make it worthwhile.

So the result is that broadband will slowly crawl along until another couple years pass when it has expanded enough perhaps. The solution would be for the government of America to step in and mandate 98% broadband coverage for the US available within one year available for under $50/month. That would speed it all up and be good for the economy in the end.

Originally posted by Lurker
There's more than two DSL protocols that fall under the DSL umbrella, though the two you mentioned (ADSL and SDSL, Asynchronous and Synchronous) are the most commonly used. There are actually different types of ADSL even, like CAP or DMT encoded. There's also RADSL, HDSL, IDSL (ISDN/DSL hybrid), etc.


Yes, there are many more DSL flavors. Though, my provider only offers ADSL and SDSL that is why it is only 2 options for me. :(