Stop the hatred

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Hope the picture speaks for itself

I agree,
I have seen a lot and heard a lot of racism about the bombing. On ABC there was a child who was spat on because of his religion.

The people that look like that and are citizens of the US and support it; I do not hate or have any ill feelings towards.
The people that look like that and live in a country that supports the ideals of the persons responsible for the recent horrors; I'm sorry, but they must suffer the same fate.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
The people that look like that and are citizens of the US and support it; I do not hate or have any ill feelings towards.
The people that look like that and live in a country that supports the ideals of the persons responsible for the recent horrors; I'm sorry, but they must suffer the same fate.

My thought, exactly :)

I feel horrible, I was watching the local news this afternoon and a scumbag has done two shootings here in Mesa, killing 1 convenience store clerk who is from the middle east, he shot the poor man in the back. The other shooting with fortunately no injuries was at another gas station just a couple of miles from my house. I have decided tonight I am going to buy all my food at this small local market, its owned by a family from India. I feel its the least I can do, to make up for if nothing else the the absolute embarassement I have for some of the ignorant & intolerant poeple (if you can call them that) of my race. I wish I could do even more... :(

What does INDIA have to do with ANYTHING of what happened.
I didn't hear their name mentioned at least once.

:(

But I can understand if the guy who shot them has a close person who died in WTC. If you are really angry you'll go to extremes. Which is wrong but you'll still do it.

They are from the Middle East, and they also have armed gaurds standing outside there store daily because they have been getting death-threats.
Sue me for wanting to help - I wasnt intending to start a flame war over my post, and even if the person who did it lost a loved one in the disaster - I still dont understand it. This poor guy went to work probably thinking he lived in the greatest country in the world, and then someone shot him for it because of the color of his skin. That pisses me off!

its getting back, hopefully president bush will say something about the racism.

Originally posted by wired1
They are from the Middle East, and they also have armed gaurds standing outside there store daily because they have been getting death-threats.
Sue me for wanting to help - I wasnt intending to start a flame war over my post, and even if the person who did it lost a loved one in the disaster - I still dont understand it. This poor guy went to work probably thinking he lived in the greatest country in the world, and then someone shot him for it because of the color of his skin. That pisses me off!

Where do you see that you got flamed?

I dont now, It was my immediate reaction to the capitolised letters. Sorry for the misinterpretation Palm...

The people that look like that and live in a country that supports the ideals of the persons responsible for the recent horrors; I'm sorry, but they must suffer the same fate.
That's pretty damned cold, dude. To say that, because someone lives in a certain place, where OTHERS feel a certain way, or support certain action, they should DIE?

Uncle Sam is lacing up his jack boots. And you can be sure that many people living in huts in the middle of the desert...people that live there because they have no where else to go...are going to die. But to say that these people should perish because their government supports terrorism is just plain heartless and ignorant. And, I would venture to add, it's pretty easy to say behind your computer, on your dsl line, in your air-conditioned home in what has been...up until recently...the safest country in the world.

you might Also want to check this!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Arab_and_Muslim_Americans/

and

http://www.cair-net.org/

TheRock: very good link, thanks!

To me, things like racism are the absolute most unforgivable acts. I mean, most other crimes are a result of something like a believe, a desire to want or have something, a reaction out of fear or to solve something -- and I don't mean in a good way -- and I don't mean it's at all condoned. Simply, that racism has absolutely no motive at all, other than stupidity and evil. No one can gain anything from it, or has any reason to care to practice it. It's the most insane thing someone can feel, I think. There's only a few select other things that fit into that same category.

For someone to murder or harm someone for being the same race or "sort of" have the same skin color, as the parties we _think_ are responsible, no matter how the WTC/Pentagon attacks effected them or their family or friends, they are a low life, nut case to even remotely consider hating someone they've never met and has never done anything to them and want to harm or murder them. This whole racism crime, is more close to being the exact motive and reason why the terrorists attacked these targets in the first place.

The Muslim religion is a peaceful and loving one, just as any decent religion. Some nut with poor motives taking some cryptic sounding stuff out of context and preaching it to a lot of small minded, easily influenced people, is done in a lot of religion. This isn't a terrorist problem out of any cause, it's because they blatantly are suckered into believing that they will be in the best place in "paradise" by Allah, because they died for Allah and their faith. The problem is that they specifically blame America for their nation for not having the power it once did a thousand or more years ago.

They believe that with America there in the power it is, they will not rise to that power again and with America (Well, the United States, I should say) out of the way, they can. They believe this, based on the fact that they are taught this from the time they are small children and only preached to by maniacs that have taken everything out of context. Just like Muslim fundamentalists, there are Jewish fundamentalists, and Christian fundamentalists, whom all commit terrorists acts in the name of "religion" -- which is all based on them not getting the real education about the faith and what it says. Had they, they'd never follow some wacko that decides to take the worst things completely out of context as for gospel.

This terrorist problem will remain until people are educated and understand fully what these faiths are teaching and representing. For far too long, far too many idiot's have used religion as a tool to kill and fight wars and fight in the name of God. It makes absolutely no sense and it gives people a bitter memory and outlook and only causes more confusion and more people preaching things out of context.

A lot of ignorant, angry people are saying we should start nuking people... for that matter, military strikes. Obviously something needs to be done and killing these wacko's is a good start. However, the problem comes in, these people will still believe this flawed preaching and the act of tacking action, will only piss them off and they'll think to themselves that their wacko leader was right. After all, look what the United States just did! Obviously killing any person or group, even one person, that didn't have to do with this attack, is wrong. Any one person that doesn't support these attacks and is killed is wrong.

Not only will innocent people inevitably be killed, but it's going to reaffirm this preaching to many that would never otherwise have supported it. Now, we have new recruits and they aren't just following illogical and flawed preaching's out of context, but it'll be reinforced for them, because they saw and know we ended up killing innocent people. Do you think they'll care that we are counter attacking because this happened to us by those responsible? No, they'll see their own innocent people being murdered by us. it all starts over and continues. This is going to sour more people, more people will be more easily lead into buying this crap and we will have more problems.

This is just like how Afghanistan vows to seek revenge. They are being idiots about it. I mean, even if this specific terrorist or terrorist group didn't do this, he did certainly bomb the embassy's in Africa and one of the US's navy ships. Either way, this guy needs to be dealt with. All Afghanistan has to do, is hand him over. They'd rather have their entire country suffer and make the United States out to be the villain and cause of the problems, than comply with such a simple demand. I mean, these people's excuse was that "he couldn't have done it, since we don't have any flight training schools and no planes to attack you with"... fully knowing that they got flight training in the US and used OUR planes. This is how bad it is and I am really bothered by it.

So, not only are people acting horrifically stupid and acting like wacko extremists screaming for the US to nuke the middle east, they are acting just as bad as the terrorists, by hating and harming people out of ignorance, unjustified and insane motives and nothing more than acting evil. There's actually very few people in the middle east that would truly rejoice about these attacks if they saw what we did. In fact, most wouldn't anyway. That said, much fewer, very, very few, here in the US would support it. People, it seems, are attacking Americans simply because they have the same sort-of color and look sort-of Arabic. People that are too stupid to realize or differentiate what is an Arabic, let alone to be of the Muslim faith. "Indian? Ya'll look Arabician tew me!".

People blinded by anger is one thing, but ignorant, stupid and completely unjustified acts of racism to the point of harming and murdering them based solely on that, should be hung right next to the terrorists responsible for the attacks we are all talking about. I have no tolerance or mercy for such people whatsoever, American or Middle Eastern, they are worthless, stupid, evil people and have no place on this Earth. Any idiot that thinks that they have a right to harm or kill anyone of any race for any reason -- unless that person has specifically done you wrong or harmed you or the like -- even though I'm a pure white American citizen, I invite you to give me a call and come see me and try to take your anger out on me... I know _I'll_ feel at least a little satisfaction from it. Some people are just friggin' too stupid to deserve oxygen.

A couple thoughts . . . .

Racism on any level is an abomination.
There is no easy solution to the recent tragedy.
"Tragedy" seems such a mild word.
There are no words to describe September 11, 2001.

If you ask me, I say SEGREGATE! Whites with Whites, Blacks with Blacks, etc with etc... Now don't y'all start yelling at me calling me a facist! I simply think it's the way of life, and everything would be much better if races where SEGREGATED due to there race.

I don't believe in burning jews, or hanging coloreds... I just simply believe in segregating everyone due to there race. That's just my opinion. If you agree, please post. If not, then blah!

Thanks,
Have a Dixie Day [><]
-Brandon :)

Originally posted by ActiveT3
If you ask me, I say SEGREGATE! Whites with Whites, Blacks with Blacks, etc with etc... Now don't y'all start yelling at me calling me a facist! I simply think it's the way of life, and everything would be much better if races where SEGREGATED due to there race.

I don't believe in burning jews, or hanging coloreds... I just simply believe in segregating everyone due to there race. That's just my opinion. If you agree, please post. If not, then blah!

Thanks,
Have a Dixie Day [><]
-Brandon :)


Did you hit your head, Brandon? Why is it that you think that sort of response is in any way relevant or approrpiate for this thread, other than to post a completely ignorant response like that? Do you believe, that because you can't personally get along with people of other races, that two other people from different races can't get along, or better? Sorry to break the news to you (actually, I'm not), but the Mason Dixon line has been gone for a while. Also, there's this institution well known in your parts as "skeewl", I suggest you look into it. Sorry, am I going too fast for you? Yes, "blah", indeed.

Originally posted by ActiveT3
If you ask me, I say SEGREGATE! Whites with Whites, Blacks with Blacks, etc with etc... Now don't y'all start yelling at me calling me a facist! I simply think it's the way of life, and everything would be much better if races where SEGREGATED due to there race.

I don't believe in burning jews, or hanging coloreds... I just simply believe in segregating everyone due to there race. That's just my opinion. If you agree, please post. If not, then blah!

Thanks,
Have a Dixie Day [><]
-Brandon :)


As part of a minority from a country that tolerates multi-culturalism, I find the above comment extremely trollish, narrow-minded and bordering on racist. If I wasn't a moderator I would have absolutely flamed the heck out of you, and if I wasn't in such a grim mood on the bombing I would have immediately banned you on the above comment alone.

<bile-induced comment> Segregration is a thing of the dark past, and I have a God-given, constitutionally-given right to choose to assimilate with anyone I so desire. If you can't handle this, I suggest you retreat to your little cave and shut yourself off from the world again. </bile-induced comment>


<<EDIT: Having had a look at your other comments in the Lounge, I have come to the conclusion that you are nothing more than a racist troll. Goodbye>>

Originally posted by BC



As part of a minority from a country that tolerates multi-culturalism, I find the above comment extremely trollish, narrow-minded and bordering on racist. If I wasn't a moderator I would have absolutely flamed the heck out of you, and if I wasn't in such a grim mood on the bombing I would have immediately banned you on the above comment alone.

<bile-induced comment> Segregration is a thing of the dark past, and I have a God-given, constitutionally-given right to choose to assimilate with anyone I so desire. If you can't handle this, I suggest you retreat to your little cave and shut yourself off from the world again. </bile-induced comment>


Judging from his other posts, I'd wage he's no older than 13 years old and think's he's funny. It could be worse, I've been seeing a lot of little punks posting a lot of horrible things lately all over, trying to get a rise out of people. Some kid was posting some BS on a web board about how he thought America deserved it and used all the buzz words he's heard lately that the Muslims supporting the terrorists attacks were using -- I assume he heard them while his mommy was watching CNN. Some people can't seem to comprehend the seriousness and want to act like a brat. This will happen everytime there's something for someone to talk about in that regard.

[Edit: I didn't clarify the example brat I mentioned, was posting as a "Middle-East Muslim whom resided in that region", but I think it was obvious it was some kid trying to just anger people. Further, I didn't notice when I was replying, that you noticed his other posts by the time I responded anyway.. so you already know about this guy above anyway. (not to be confused with the terrorists wanna-be... And I thought the whole "I'm a middle-to-upper-class kid in the sub-burbs, and I want to pretend to be an uneducated rapper from the hood to be cool" thing was bad... how wrong can I have been!?)]

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Some kid was posting some BS on a web board about how he thought America deserved it and used all the buzz words he's heard lately that the Muslims supporting the terrorists attacks were using -- I assume he heard them while his mommy was watching CNN.

Actually this happened at my University. A day after the bombing, the local ratbags (aka the Socialist Alternative) were proclaiming 'America deserved it' and were putting up posters around our central Union buildings to that effect. It was heartening for me to see that all of them were ripped down by other students, and the socialists got a huge tongue-lashing from those present for showing such a disturbing lack of sympathy for those who lost their lives, and focusing on America's losses (in the worst possible way).

The fact that such adults can fail to have sympathy for lives lost simply astounded me.

Originally posted by BC


Actually this happened at my University. A day after the bombing, the local ratbags (aka the Socialist Alternative) were proclaiming 'America deserved it' and were putting up posters around our central Union buildings to that effect. It was heartening for me to see that all of them were ripped down by other students, and the socialists got a huge tongue-lashing from those present for showing such a disturbing lack of sympathy for those who lost their lives, and focusing on America's losses (in the worst possible way).

The fact that such adults can fail to have sympathy for lives lost simply astounded me.

My opinion of people and the world, albeit cynical in a lot of aspects, is that in general, a good percentage of people are uncaring, stupid people. Unfortunately, that's just how it is. I agree that it's astounding to see that people say that thousand of innocent office workers deserved to be murdered in such a terrifying manner. How that somehow is deserving due to anything that they've been duped into buying into, is beyond logic and just proves my theory. Luckily, there's a lot of people out there that are caring, normal people with common sense. I don't expect people to be super intelligent, but I loath that so many can be blatantly inferior in an intellectual regard. It's really difficult to keep cool and not go and knock some heads. My wife is from Australia and hear mother just moved to a small town up in Queensland, and even there, her mother said today, that last night someone was running through the streets screaming "F--- America!" and just having a good old time... crazy...

Originally posted by ActiveT3
If you ask me, I say SEGREGATE! Whites with Whites, Blacks with Blacks, etc with etc... Now don't y'all start yelling at me calling me a facist! I simply think it's the way of life, and everything would be much better if races where SEGREGATED due to there race.

I don't believe in burning jews, or hanging coloreds... I just simply believe in segregating everyone due to there race. That's just my opinion. If you agree, please post. If not, then blah!

Thanks,
Have a Dixie Day [><]
-Brandon :)

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You know, every time I post a message, I consider whether or not to include my signature, just in case I say something stupid and it reflects on my work.

So someone ain't thinkin...

Either that, or this guy's trying to damage a company's reputation here. I'm advising reader discretion!

Originally posted by Lawrence



You know, every time I post a message, I consider whether or not to include my signature, just in case I say something stupid and it reflects on my work.

So someone ain't thinkin...

Either that, or this guy's trying to damage a company's reputation here. I'm advising reader discretion! IMHO it's his. I've read his other posts and seen the site. I'm with whoever suggested he's probably some thirteen. . . . . . .

Originally posted by Palm
But I can understand if the guy who shot them has a close person who died in WTC. If you are really angry you'll go to extremes. Which is wrong but you'll still do it.
I saw this and thought I'd extend this thought just a little.

By saying it's "understandable" for this person to attack people because of his closeness to victims in WTC it's an easy step to argue the same point for those people who piloted those planes into the WTC to have sought revenge for the deaths they've seen of their own people in their own countries.

I took your point that it's wrong but my point is that you can't say it's understandable for reasons of hate for one person when the reasoning applies equally to both sides. Just my 2 penneth worth.


As for the 13 yr old trolls. Well, in truth that is possibly the most disheartening thing about the past few days. The number of children running around who think it's all a big game or worse, who understand but simply want to get a reaction, no matter how much damage it does. How do you get the message across to kids like that?

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Luckily, there's a lot of people out there that are caring, normal people with common sense.

Yep, that keeps me alive ;)
Everywhere are some stupid people (even at WHT :) ), but most people are far more caring and intelligent than many cynic people think.

Originally posted by Walter


Yep, that keeps me alive ;)
Everywhere are some stupid people (even at WHT :) ), but most people are far more caring and intelligent than many cynic people think.

Okay, I admit I was being harsh and admitted it was cynical. Sometimes it just seems like too much though. Anyway, I was thining, old Jeb there, just might be right. I think segregation is the answer. We'll make all the idiot's sit in the back of the bus... we'll make sure Jeb has a seat saved there.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
We'll make all the idiot's sit in the back of the bus...

Hehe, but there is the old problem with all those ideas: who will decide who is an idiot and who not?

Originally posted by Walter
Hehe, but there is the old problem with all those ideas: who will decide who is an idiot and who not? Oh that's simple...

The idiots who think they're smart of course :)

There is a 13 year old in my neighborhood who says she hopes this means WWIII.
She just says this to get a rise out of people. She's always saying and doing stuff
to get a rise out of people--neglected at home and negative attention is better
than no attention.