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kunal
09-24-2000, 04:09 AM
Just some interesting speculation.... read on.. find out what could have been the real truth about man's visit to the moon!

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Did man really walk on the Moon ???
* Cover Story Did man really walk on the Moon or was it the ultimate camera trick, asks David Milne? The greater lunar lie In the early hours of May 16, 1990, after a week spent watching old video footage of man on the Moon, a thought was
turning into an obsession in the mind of Ralph Rene. "How can the flag be fluttering," the 47 year old American kept asking himself, "when there's no wind on the atmosphere free Moon?" That moment was to be the beginning of an incredible Space odyssey for the self- taught engineer from New Jersey. He started investigating the Apollo Moon landings, scouring every NASA film, photo and report with a
growing sense of wonder, until finally reaching an awesome conclusion: America had never put a man on the Moon. The giant leap for mankind was fake.

It is of course the conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories. But Rene has now put all his findings into a startling book entitled NASA Mooned America. Published by himself, it's being sold by mail order - and is a compelling read. The story lifts off in 1961 with Russia firing Yuri Gagarin into space, leaving a panicked America trailing in the space race. At an emergency meeting of Congress, President Kennedy proposed the ultimate face
saver, put a man on the Moon. With an impassioned speech he secured the plan an unbelievable 40 billion dollars. And so, says Rene (and a growing number of astro-physicists are beginning to agree with him), the great Moon hoax was born. Between1969 and 1972, seven Apollo ships headed to the Moon. Six claim to have made it, with the ill fated Apollo 13 - whose oxygen tanks apparently exploded halfway - being the only casualties. But with the exception of the known rocks, which could have been easily mocked up in a lab, the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed. And Rene believes they're fake. For a start, he says, the TV footage was hopeless. The world tuned in to watch what looked like two blurred white ghosts gambol threw rocks and dust. Part of the reason for the low quality was that, strangely, NASA provided no direct link up. So networks actually had to film "man's greatest achievement" from a TV screen in Houston -a deliberate ploy,
says Rene, so that nobody could properly examine it. By contrast, the still photos were stunning. Yet that's just the problem. The astronauts took thousands of pictures, each one perfectly exposed and sharply focused. Not one was badly composed or even blurred. As Rene points out, that's not all:
* The cameras had no white meters or view ponders. So the astronauts achieved this feet without being able to see what they were doing.
* There film stock was unaffected by the intense peaks and powerful cosmic radiation on the Moon, conditions that should have made it useless. McGrath
* They managed to adjust their cameras, change film and swap filters in pressurized clubs. It should have been almost impossible to end their fingers. Award winning British photographer David passer is convinced the pictures
are fake. His astonishing findings are explained alongside the pictures on these pages, but the basic points are as follows:
* The shadows could only have been created with multiple light sources and, in particular, powerful spotlights. But the only light source on the Moon was the sun.
* The American flag and the words "United States" are always brightly lit, even when everything around is in shadow.
* Not one still picture matches the film footage, yet NASA claims both were shot at the same time.
* The pictures are so perfect, each one would have taken a slick advertising agency hours to put them together. But the astronauts managed it repeatedly. David Persey believes the mistakes were deliberate, left there by "whistle blowers", who were keen for the truth to one day get out.
If Persey is right and the pictures are fake, then we've only NASA's word that man ever went to the Moon. And, asks Rene, why would anyone fake pictures of an event that actually happened?
The questions don't stop there. Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth's Van Allen belt. But the Moon is to 240,000 miles distant, way outside this safe band.
And, during the Apollo flights, astronomical data shows there were no less than 1,485 such flares. John Mauldin, a physicist who works for NASA, once said shielding at least two meters thick would be needed. Yet the walls of the Lunar Landers which took astronauts from the spaceship to the moons surface were, said NASA, "about the thickness of heavy duty aluminum foil". How could that stop this
deadly radiation? And if the astronauts were protected by their space suits, why didn't rescue workers use such protective gear at the Chernobyl meltdown, which released only a fraction of the dose astronauts would encounter? Not one Apollo astronaut ever contracted cancer - not even the
Apollo 16 crew who were on their way to the Moon when a big flare started. "They should have been fried," says Rene.
Furthermore, every Apollo mission before number 11 (the first to the Moon) was plagued with around 20,000 defects a-piece. Yet, with the exception of Apollo 13, NASA claims there wasn't one major technical problem on any of their Moon missions. Just one effect could have blown the whole thing. "The odds against these are so unlikely that God must have been the co-pilot," says Rene. Several years after NASA claimed its first Moon landing, Buzz Aldrin * "the second man on the Moon" - was asked at a banquet what it felt like to step on to the lunar surface. Aldrin staggered to his feet and left the room crying uncontrollably. It would not be the last time he did
this. "It strikes me he's suffering from trying to live out a very big lie," says Rene. Aldrin may also fear for his life. Virgil Grissom, a NASA astronaut who baited the Apollo programme, was due to pilot Apollo 1 as part of
the landings build up. In January 1967, he hung a lemon on his Apollo capsule in the US, unroadworthy cars are called lemons) and told his wife Betty: "if there is ever a serious accident in the space programme, it's likely to
be me." Nobody knows what fuelled his fears, but by the end of the month he and his two co- pilots were dead, burnt to death during a test run when their capsule, pumped full of high pressure pure oxygen, exploded. Scientists couldn't believe NASA's carelessness - even a chemistry students in
high school knows high pressure oxygen is extremely explosive. In fact, before the first manned Apollo fight even cleared the launch pad, a total of 11 would be astronauts were dead. Apart from the three who were
incinerated, seven died in plane crashes and one in a car smash. Now this is a spectacular accident rate. "One wonders if these 'accidents' weren't NASA's way of correcting mistakes," says Rene. "Of saying that some of these men didn't have the sort of 'right stuff' they were looking for." NASA wont respond to any of these claims, their press office will only say that the Moon landings happened and the pictures are real. But a NASA public affairs officer called Julian Scheer once delighted 200 guests at a private party with footage of astronauts apparently on a landscape. It had been made on a mission film set and was identical to what NASA claimed was they real lunar landscape. "The purpose of this film," Scheer told the enthralled group, "is to indicate that you really can fake things on the ground, almost to the point of deception." He then invited his audience to "come to your own decision about whether or not man actually did walk on the Moon". A sudden attack of honesty? You bet, says Rene, who claims the only real thing about the Apollo missions were the lift offs. The astronauts simply have to be on board, he says, in case the rocket exploded. "It was the easiest way to ensure NASA wasn't left with three astronauts who ought to be dead," he claims, adding that they came down a day or so later, out of the public eye (global surveillance wasn't what it is now) and into the safe hands of NASA officials, who whisked them off to prepare for the big day a week later. And now NASA is planning another giant step - project Outreach, a 1 trillion dollar manned mission to Mars. "Think what they'll be able to mock up with today's computer graphics," says Rene Chillingly. "Special effects was in its infancy in the 60s. This time round will have no way of determining the truth."
Space oddities
* Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air.
* A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Lander lifting off the Moon. Who did the filming?
* One NASA picture from Apollo 11 is looking up at Neil Armstrong about to take his giant step for mankind. The photographer must have been lying on the planet surface. If Armstrong was the first man on the Moon, then who took the shot? The pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints.
* The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the move that could be seen from earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares. Text from pictures in the article Only two men walked on the Moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Yet the astronaut reflected in
the visor has no camera. Who took the shot? The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn't match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. Where is his shadow? And why is the flag fluttering? How can the flag be brightly lit when its side on to the
light? And where, in all of these shots, are the stars? The Lander weighed 17 tons yet the astronauts feet seem to have made a bigger dent in the dust. The powerful booster rocket at the base of the Lunar Lander was fired to slow descent to the moons service. Yet it has left no traces of blasting on the dust underneath. It should have created a small crater, yet the booster looks like it's never been fired.

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Learner
09-24-2000, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by kunal
"How can the flag be fluttering," the 47 year old American kept asking himself, "when there's no wind on the atmosphere free Moon?"

:D Don't be surprised if NASA explains this due to a strong COSMIC WIND blowing that day :D

Learner

kunal
09-24-2000, 11:30 AM
Help!! Help!! The board ate up MarkSmith's post!! Help!! Help!!



What happened to his post?

Ironlung
09-24-2000, 01:19 PM
Can you tell us where you found that information? Please

kunal
09-24-2000, 01:23 PM
A freind sent it to me by email. No it was not a forward. Also, all of it makes a lot of sense to me!

TheComputerGuy
09-24-2000, 02:11 PM
Listen people this has been said since the 1970's. I thought i was parnoyed. Yes this brings up valued points really good ones, yet when something like this is said about Bill Slick Willie Clinton it is brushed aside as not true. If there was gold or something extremly valueable on the moon we would have a station on it as we speak, but we don't the moon is a big pile of rock, mostly one rock. Now let me honestly ask have any of you asked NASA their story. I mean don't go off half cocked or you will blow yourself up. Now the part about the trace of no dirt . things burn up as they enter the atmosphere and the metal they used can block against really high heat.
Listen people its a great point to ponder and i may be critized for saying this, but sometimes you have to accept things for facevalue, not always, but sometimes.

Duster
09-24-2000, 02:35 PM
This sounds much like the paranoid delusions of the Flat Earth Society, based in London. On top of believing the space shots never happended, they also believe the Earth is flat and that all the pictures are fakes.

There is a movie, Capricorn One (with James Brolin), that makes use of these delusions. It shows NASA recreating a lunar landing on a sound stage when the real one failed. They start killing the astronauts to cover up their hoax.

There's a lot wrong with this paranoid fantasy and it's just not worth taking the time to analyze it. Even giving it the possibility of credibility, it's too easy to disprove.

kunal
09-24-2000, 03:04 PM
Well the points are valid and scientifically correct. I dint know abt the Flat Earth Society, and I agree, to say that the earth is flat is outrageous!

TheWingThing
09-24-2000, 04:08 PM
Now, what about sojourner on Mars? This time the videos and pics looked real.
Dunno abt the lunar lunacy?!

TheWingThing.

BC
09-24-2000, 05:49 PM
Been there, heard that... :D

TheDoctor
01-23-2003, 10:55 AM
An interesting post I happened upon that was worth a revist. Whats your thoughts on the matter.

Doc

susannad
01-23-2003, 10:58 AM
this is an old thing

Personally, I thought it was spread around by the Flat Earth Society

and as soon as we set up colonies on Mars I bet you there will be a Flat Mars Society

FHDave
01-23-2003, 11:08 AM
If it were really a hoax, wouldn't we hear quite a heavy voice from Russians govenrment denoucing the landing instead of from some US individuals?

This is a good link: http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/news/2001/news-moonlanding.asp

About the waving flag:

"A Waving Flag
Everyone has seen the video of astronauts planting a US flag on the Moon. You can see the flag flexing and rippling. How can that be? There's no breeze on the Moon. But then, there's no atmosphere, either. When the astronauts planted the flagpole they twisted it back and forth to sink it into the lunar soil. On the Earth, that would have made the flag "wave" for a few seconds, then stop. But that's because the flag pushes against air as it flaps, and the air slows it down. On the Moon, there was no air to stop the flag's motion, so it continued, just as Newton's First Law of physics says it should. So of course the cloth flag waved and rippled beneath the metal rod holding it out. "

FHDave
01-23-2003, 11:18 AM
And this is also good: http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/sites/ExternSite.asp?url=http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/FOX.html

susannad
01-23-2003, 11:20 AM
come on, how many times does this flat earth stuff get to be re-circulated ?

puh - lease !

gosh I must be getting old, I've been through this one more times than I've opened mail from that very polite gentleman from Nigeria

bear
01-23-2003, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by kunal
Well the points are valid and scientifically correct. I dint know abt the Flat Earth Society, and I agree, to say that the earth is flat is outrageous! Valid? Not really. for one, it claims that the Van Allen Belt protects the Earth from radiation. That would be Ozone. The radiation belts are regions of high-energy particles, mainly protons and electrons, held captive by the magnetic influence of the Earth.
More info here (http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wradbelt.html)

"Six claim to have made it, with the ill fated Apollo 13 - whose oxygen tanks apparently exploded halfway - being the only casualties"
They lived.

With these and the copius spelling errors, I find it hard to take any of it seriously. And I'd bet my wealthy Nigerian friend will agree, once he arrives from exile and we split all that money...:D

JWise
01-23-2003, 12:30 PM
Oh No, Here we go.. People that haven't touched the moon are now saying you can't walk on it...

Tropical Tundra
01-23-2003, 12:48 PM
Did man really walk on the moon?

Yes!

DarktidesNET
01-23-2003, 01:04 PM
This is very old I've read about it some years back. A lot of points are completly valid and have every right to be questioned. I always wouldn't put it past big brother to fake anything to gain any advantage of "US being supreme".

It's always nice to read about Government conspiracy theorys ...

MikeM
01-23-2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by kunal
Well the points are valid and scientifically correct. I dint know abt the Flat Earth Society, and I agree, to say that the earth is flat is outrageous!

I agree... everyone know the world is SQUARE. :D

hostpath.com
01-23-2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by DarktidesNET
A lot of points are completly valid and have every right to be questioned.

Such as?

WPT Kyle
01-23-2003, 04:17 PM
Just ask an astronomy professor, they will be able to answer everyone of those points why it was fake easily, I took an astronomy class back in high school and I remember there being a very good comeback for every qestion about truly landing on the moon.

TheDoctor
01-23-2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by MikeM


I agree... everyone know the world is SQUARE. :D

 

I though it was just the people. 

Doc

Artashes
01-23-2003, 07:03 PM
What?? Men landed on the Moon??? :eek3:

WOOOW!!

sHosts
01-23-2003, 07:16 PM
Hmm, Valid points but it can go either way. I am undecided about this issue=]

If landed so great if not oh well=]

One more thing..If they landed on the moon..how come they never went back now that they have more advanced stuff.. And how come Russia didn't try going there either?

susannad
01-23-2003, 07:25 PM
there is no world !
shaped square, like a bartlett pear or a cox red pippin

we are in the matrix

WPT Kyle
01-23-2003, 07:26 PM
the raelian clone may be correct

Umbongo
01-23-2003, 07:27 PM
I've seen those links before and it really did makle me question it. Of course the big issue is that if it was faked why didnt the Russians bring all this up.

But then I saw this link and now I truely believe it was faked.

Faked Moon landings (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~g-b-dix/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm)

sHosts
01-23-2003, 07:30 PM
Umbango, your kidding right? Or are you being sarcasticly weird?

PixelAxis
01-23-2003, 07:33 PM
There was a special about this on TV a couple years ago. They presented evidence why they DIDN'T land on the moon. It was so good I believed it :D

You never know whats going on these days :eek:

TheDoctor
01-23-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by sHosts
Hmm, Valid points but it can go either way. I am undecided about this issue=]

If landed so great if not oh well=]

One more thing..If they landed on the moon..how come they never went back now that they have more advanced stuff.. And how come Russia didn't try going there either?

Yes and IF they did land and plant the flag how come the moon isn't listed as one of the States of America. 

And how come there not looking for oil there.

Doc

susannad
01-23-2003, 07:48 PM
fortunately there is no oil

Shyne
01-23-2003, 07:49 PM
Yes, we did land on the moon, stop with the idiotic ideas that this is all conspiracy. Get a life cause that's the only reason I think people would come up with this stupid idea. For some reason people believe anything that is said on TV or the Internet. Yes the flag waved did anyone bother to understand why this happened instead of jumping to conclusions that this is all fake? This is really getting ridiculous. Now NASA has to spend money out of its budget to educate people who slept through their Physics/Astronomy class.

Umbongo
01-23-2003, 08:15 PM
Umbango, your kidding right? Or are you being sarcasticly weird?
:rolleyes:

KIA-Joe
01-23-2003, 08:28 PM
I think this stuff is great. It makes life interesting.

hostpath.com
01-24-2003, 03:59 PM
I believe the people who think the mood landings were faked are operating with brains that are fake. It's amazing how people take material from these "we didn't land on the moon" Web sites as gospel, when in fact they're loaded with errors, ommissions and outright lies.

Oh well. It should be expected, I guess. I mean, some people even believe that beings from another planet are visiting Earth, or that an alien craft that crashed at Roswell, NM, or that UFO's seen by humans are alien ships.

Just goes to show how gullible some can be I suppose...

TheDoctor
01-24-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by hostpath.com
I believe the people who think the mood landings were faked are operating with brains that are fake. It's amazing how people take material from these "we didn't land on the moon" Web sites as gospel, when in fact they're loaded with errors, ommissions and outright lies.

Oh well. It should be expected, I guess. I mean, some people even believe that beings from another planet are visiting Earth, or that an alien craft that crashed at Roswell, NM, or that UFO's seen by humans are alien ships.

Just goes to show how gullible some can be I suppose...

Would you like to run that past me again ... something about mood .. if we have a mood then we have a fake brain ... or if we land in a mood we have a fake brain. something like that... so if were in a mood because we got a fake brain then were gullible.

I like my brains crumbed and fried in butter, eaten in a sandwich with salt n pepper and some onion and slice of cheese. However those brains aren't fake there lamb's, then again perhaps I'm just gullible.

susannad
01-24-2003, 07:52 PM
there is NO moon

it's a fake

TheDoctor
01-24-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by susannad
there is NO moon

it's a fake

Actually the moon is an illusion, just like reality is an illusion caused by lack of drugs.

Doc

PixelAxis
01-24-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by hostpath.com
...when in fact they're loaded with errors, ommissions and outright lies.

Isn't everything we consider the truth to be like that too? :eek:

PixelAxis
01-24-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by susannad
there is NO moon

it's a fake

Yes, we all like in the Matrix :D

Maggie Mae
01-24-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by susannad
there is no world !we are in the matrix
thats right Raja !

richy
01-24-2003, 10:10 PM
of course they didnt walk on the moon, the whole thing was a massive coverup, what really happened was they lauched a multi billion dollar rocket then made it not only dissapear while it orbited round earth, but they made it appear to everyone including the russians, that it went to the moon, and managed to fake alllll the telemtry, then this is the best bit, they managed to, in front of a watching world and god knows how many amateur astonomers, fake landing a module on the moon. they then managed to pull of the greatest miracle since jesus multiplied the bread and fish by making moon rocks spontaneously appear in the rocket orbiting the earth (presumeably using a klingon cloaking device, unless the whole thing was a klingon conspiracy to abduct astronauts?), then managed to make it reappear and reenter on exactly the correct return trajectory, yeaaahhhh surrree they didnt do it.
or maybe just maybe all those sex starved 13 year olds and smelly old freaks, who are all of course experts with numerous doctorates in physics and astronomy and are of impecable character, are actually just sad little twats who need to get a life, and maybe just maybe that americans actually managed it.

WARNING PEOPLE: Idiots are roaming freely among you.

dreamrae.com
01-24-2003, 10:23 PM
dont really care, i wanna goto mars :D

richy
01-24-2003, 10:33 PM
arggghh its as bad as that french idiot who said that a plane didnt crash into the pentagon, no?? was it a reallllly fat seagul then? who had just happened to drink a few tonnes of aviation fuel? and have a black box rammed up its posterior.
oh and of course the pesky klingons must have tractored the real missing plane into orbit and clocked it and run off with it.

are people truly that dumb that they see a point in conspiracy theories. there is none at all ever besides if you want to get into an infinite loop of complete and utter paranoia. heres how it is, your never going to know if you know the truth, and even when you think youve found a conspiracy, you dont know if its made up just to distract you from something else. or maybe the government just likes to amuse itself with exactly how stupid some of the ideas that get put about are. i mean how on earth do you hide a rocket in orbit from a country like russia who are desperately trying to beat you and watching every step you make. if there was anything fishy they or any one of the observatories or academic establishments monitoring it would have picked up on it and that french thing was just plain offensive.
it the freaks want to believe that the americans managed to make several hundred tonnes of rocket dissapear in orbit rather then they managed to get to the moon, and that osama bin lid has trained starlings to carry cemtex and dive bomb targets then can they please take a hike and not poison our lives with such utter rubbish. its at best pathetic and in the case of the pentagon its down right offensive to the families of those affected.

there is no conspiracy, and even if there is the government isnt about to own up, and if they do you still dont know if it was a conspiracy or a counter conspiracy and youll go mad.

and yes mars sounds fun :) must be some amazing mountain biking there, not to mention no speed cameras.