Reseller Plan (flat fee based, adult sites welcome)

Host unlimited domain names with no extra fees to pay.
Host unlimited sub domain names with no extra fees to pay.
Unlimited Web Space.
Host unlimited User accounts.
Create unlimited FTP accounts.
Unmetered Data Transfer. No bandwidth fees ever.
Unlimited POP3 Mailboxes with SMTP for each domain.
Unlimited auto responders, aliases and forwarders.
Powerful Web-Mail system for all domains and users.
Web Based Control Panel for all domains.
Private label (anonymous) name servers.
Microsoft FrontPage Server Extensions.
Active Server Pages (ASP).
ColdFusion 4.5 SP1.
CGI Scripting in Perl5 with sendmail.
MS ODBC, MS Access, etc..
Unlimited DSN connections.
Unlimited MS SQL databases.
Server Side Includes.
Free SSL Secure Server cert hosting and install.
Real-time Web Site Statistics for each domain.
Protected Directories.
Customized Error Pages.
No content restrictions other then being legal by US law.
Plus much more...

click here (http://www.datapacket.net/ntresell.htm)

"Unmetered Data Transfer. No bandwidth fees ever. "

All this for only $499.50 per year..... so what is the catch?

I wouldn't trust anyone that offers Unmetered Data Transfer.

I don't like to flame, but, there is no such thing as "Unlimited Transfer"

http://www.unlimitedtransfer.com/

I am really not going to get into the unlimited vs unmetered issue. Other then they do not compare or relate to each other in any way regarding bandwidth.

We do not offer unlimited bandwidth.

We offer unmetered bandwidth because we have the facilities to do so. Unlike most other hosts we do not just rent a server somewhere and call ourselves a host. Essentially a reseller reselling to a reseller.

We have the facilities to backup what we offer and are a true ISP. Totally different ballgame then what most are in.

Originally posted by dpnh
I am really not going to get into the unlimited vs unmetered issue. Other then they do not compare or relate to each other in any way regarding bandwidth.

We do not offer unlimited bandwidth.

We offer unmetered bandwidth because we have the facilities to do so. Unlike most other hosts we do not just rent a server somewhere and call ourselves a host. Essentially a reseller reselling to a reseller.




Could you post a link to your AUP so we could see what your definition of unmetered is?

Barry

Can be found at the link supplied above and clearly defined.

I got a friend who is using 30-40GB of data transfer per day... Would you accept him??

Originally posted by bkiesz



Could you post a link to your AUP so we could see what your definition of unmetered is?

Barry

Sorry about that.. missed it the first time through.

Barry

30-40GB of data transfer per "day" would most likely use excessive cpu on our shared servers unless it is basic html and images. Contact sales@datapacket.net if you would like to discuss the site and further options for it.

Since this thread is turning into flames and trolls I will leave it as it is. Please contact us directly with serious inquires.

Thank you! Have a good Night.

Originally posted by dpnh
30-40GB of data transfer per "day" would most likely use excessive cpu on our shared servers unless it is basic html and images. Contact sales@datapacket.net if you would like to discuss the site and further options for it.

Since this thread is turning into flames and trolls I will leave it as it is. Please contact us directly with serious inquires.

Thank you! Have a good Night.

Flames... I hope you weren't referring to my post.. All I asked was a simple question because I couldn't find your TOS.

Barry

Originally posted by dpnh
Reseller Plan (flat fee based, adult sites welcome)

Host unlimited domain names with no extra fees to pay.
Host unlimited sub domain names with no extra fees to pay.
Unlimited Web Space.
Host unlimited User accounts.
Create unlimited FTP accounts.
Unmetered Data Transfer. No bandwidth fees ever.
Unlimited POP3 Mailboxes with SMTP for each domain.
Unlimited auto responders, aliases and forwarders.
Powerful Web-Mail system for all domains and users.
Web Based Control Panel for all domains.
Private label (anonymous) name servers.
Microsoft FrontPage Server Extensions.
Active Server Pages (ASP).
ColdFusion 4.5 SP1.
CGI Scripting in Perl5 with sendmail.
MS ODBC, MS Access, etc..
Unlimited DSN connections.
Unlimited MS SQL databases.
Server Side Includes.
Free SSL Secure Server cert hosting and install.
Real-time Web Site Statistics for each domain.
Protected Directories.
Customized Error Pages.
No content restrictions other then being legal by US law.
Plus much more...

click here (http://www.datapacket.net/ntresell.htm)

I'll tell you what I'd expect if I signed up for this account. These parts of your TOS would be irrelevant:



5.4. Customer agrees to abstain from conduct such as sending mass, unsolicited emails (SPAMMING) sending chain letters, using more then a reasonable amount of CPU and or MEMORY on the server, causing the server to become slow and unresponsive due to over-usage, violating the security of either DPN or other organization systems and computers. Customer's whose accounts are found in violation of this policy may, at the discretion of DPN, have their account(s) terminated without notice.

5.6 Un-metered bandwidth constitutes; that DPN will not limit or throttle bandwidth to any customers site. All sites on DPN servers have full speed access to a dedicated port. High bandwidth sites with heavy scripting may violate section 5.4 and or section 6.1 of this agreement, therefore the customer must make sure the CPU and or MEMORY usage on their site is not deemed excessive.



Although an individual site might fall into one of these catagories, 'using more then a reasonable amount of CPU and or MEMORY' is at best, *completely* vague.

I'd expect everything highlighted in blue, no excuses. What server(s) you put all my accounts on doesn't concern me as long as the server(s) are fast. I certainly wouldn't accept the excuse that my sites are taking up too much resources combined as that is not what the deal is. Nor would I care if the whole server was used, as I'd simply expect that another server be put online to handle any more accounts, and a third server and so on.

Is this too much to ask? I don't think so based on what I've read on the site and in the TOS.

For $50/mo, you are offering (claiming to offer) something that no dedicated server provider can offer at *any* price:

Host unlimited domain names.
Host unlimited sub domain names.
Unlimited Web Space.
Host unlimited User accounts.
Unmetered Data Transfer. No bandwidth fees ever.
Unlimited POP3 Mailboxes with SMTP for each domain.
Unlimited MS SQL databases.

Now, while I do have a problem with vendetta style postings from questionable customers, I also will point out that this offer does seem a bit out there and will not remove the questions people have who doubt you can offer it.

If it is ever found that you are not offering exactly what you have posted, you will NOT be allowed to post in these forums.

I'd like users to keep us informaed as to their experiences with this plan. I'd like to know if they were ever terminated and the exact reasons for termination. As far as I can see, there is no reason you'd be terminated unless a site you own is directly involved with illegal activity or is using 'more than a reasonable amount' of resources, whatever that amount is.

The wording on this offer is suspect and we'll be watching this closely. People questioning the validity of this offer is NOT flaming.

Chicken,

No offense but your theory has no realistic meaning. All isps have terms of service which relate to the services offered as do we.

"Although an individual site might fall into one of these categories, 'using more then a reasonable amount of CPU and or MEMORY' is at best, *completely* vague."

We state this because 99% of all abuse occurs because of this reason. Not many other hosts use this term instead use excessive usage as a term which is more vague. They may state excessive cpu or memory after the customer has signed on and canceled. We have made it clear that if you cause our servers to become slow or sluggish the "site" will be removed and is a violation and this is stated BEFORE the customer signs under any of our plans.

We offer shared hosting an so customers must respect the other users also stated in our terms. THIS IS NOT DEDICATED and so we have outlined the conditions. If a customer signing on expecting to use all CPU for running a site that belongs on a dedicated server well they cant complain if they are canceled. We are upfront in the terms and we do not hide that fact. This is a shared hosting plan not dedicated therefore shared hosting rules apply. Again this is stated before the customer signs on and we require each customer to complete the terms with a signature stating they agree to and understand these conditions. So if the customer signs our service contract then can't follow them then they cant complain. This is an advertised shared hosting solution. Those that do not understand that should not host with our company.

"I'd expect everything highlighted in blue, no excuses. What server(s) you put all my accounts on doesn't concern me as long as the server(s) are fast. I certainly wouldn't accept the excuse that my sites are taking up too much resources combined as that is not what the deal is. Nor would I care if the whole server was used, as I'd simply expect that another server be put online to handle any more accounts, and a third server and so on. "

This is were the confusion is. For our resellers only the site causing server problems are removed not all of their sites. The only time the reseller account is canceled and all sites removed is if the reseller is warned about certain types of abuse then we observe the abuse continuing with no resolution from the reseller. We continually warn our resellers in our mailing list to monitor their customers and new customers closely to ensure sites that could potential violate their service contract never make it on our network.

"Nor would I care if the whole server was used, as I'd simply expect that another server be put online to handle any more accounts, and a third server and so on. "

We add new servers for our reseller about every month as old one fill and they are assigned the new ones depending on how many domains they have and how many they add per month. A customer pointed this out in another thread. Customers have even stated our service is even better then dedicated in some cases since they have access to multiple servers with powerfull controls over running their web hosting service and managing their customers.

"Is this too much to ask? I don't think so based on what I've read on the site and in the TOS."

Not at all. We provide the services advertised.

"If it is ever found that you are not offering exactly what you have posted, you will NOT be allowed to post in these forums."

Chicken you have threatened me twice now. If you dont want me to post here just email me or post saying so and i will no logner come here. DPN offers your members a great service few can come close to.

If you have a question ask it. Such actions and threats are ridiculous Chicken. I am willing to offer dialog with anybody that can have general respect for another individual without making accusations to start off a dialog. This is why people no longer come to WHT. Again we provide the services as advertised. Complaints such as those posted in this forum come from people not even hosted with us and others that abused the service. None of which say we never provided the service. We have had server issues which people have complained about and we compensate clients for them as merited. Our new guarantee also assures customers that we will provide the services advertised.

"All web hosting accounts come with a 30 day money back guarantee. This guarantee is only valid if we fail to provide the services as advertised to the best of our abilities. This guarantee is not valid due to buyers remorse, failure to understand our services and features or for any other reason. DPN does not guarantee that the services will be uninterrupted or error-free from time to time due to system maintenance or abuse."

'People questioning the validity of this offer is NOT flaming."

Since the certain posts came from other hosts I will consider them flames.


Hope that clears it up for you and all.

dpnh, Just curious . . . . . Why can't we PM or email you?

http://www.datapacket.net/contact.htm or call 407-814-9785.

Originally posted by dpnh
http://www.datapacket.net/contact.htm or call 407-814-9785.

I didn't recieve any reply from dpnh, and there was no one answer the phone call. I have tried many times, but still.

I also have sent a lot email, but never recieve any reply to my question. I am very interest in the reseller plan, but my questons were never got answer.

First, I'll mention that I am not trying to antagonize you, only let you know what I'd expect if *I* signed up for this plan. You've answered some of my questions, just fine...

Originally posted by dpnh
This is were the confusion is. For our resellers only the site causing server problems are removed not all of their sites.
This is good, as was the explanation of the servers used, which (as I said) was what I'd expect.

"If it is ever found that you are not offering exactly what you have posted, you will NOT be allowed to post in these forums."

Chicken you have threatened me twice now. If you dont want me to post here just email me or post saying so and i will no logner come here.

This isn't a threat, it is a promise to all hosts who advertise here. The offer is fine, as are many that are posted here, but while I am very pro-host, I have to balance that with protecting members from offers which are invalid. I hope you understand that.

Again, my post was merely what I'd expect from the account if I was to sign up. You have confirmed/clarified many of the questions I had, and that is fine.

This is why people no longer come to WHT.
They don't?

Again we provide the services as advertised. Complaints such as those posted in this forum come from people not even hosted with us and others that abused the service. Our new guarantee also assures customers that we will provide the services advertised.

That is really all anyone can ask. I understand other hosts asking questions, or questioning the terms (unmetered, etc.), can be seen as flames. To me, there is only *one* definition of the word 'unmetered' which can be found in any dictionary. I found it a bit humorous that one person asked for 'your' definition, and this is party the problem with these offers.

Hosts in general (not meaning you), like to make up their own definitions to common words, and this causes people to post comments like the ones in this thread.

I urge people to use 'the' definition of unmetered, as found in any dictionary, and judge for themselves if the offers match (again, this is *not* specific to DPN's offer):

meter
tr.v. me·tered
2. To supply in a measured or regulated amount: metered the allotted gasoline to each vehicle.

pref. un-
Not; opposite of; contrary to

So put together, the definition of unmetered would be:

To supply in a not measured or not regulated amount.


Again, thank you for taking the time to address the issue.

dpnh,

I have a site that offers free POP3 & SMTP email to one and all.

Can I host it with you? For 50$ /mo I will be able to offer adfree POP3 free and I will be as famous as myrealbox or gmx.net in no time.

Would it be a violation of your TOS? Since it is just email, your server can queue it and send it at its lean periods, I feel.

Thanks
B

dpnh,

I suppose you have gotten trounced on a bit in this thread so Im approaching this in a "neat" a way as possible.

As it seems you visit here enough that you would understand that people here do not appreciate "unlimited" anything as it is cleary not possible to offer such a thing. The word "unlimited" implies "no strings attached", and the TOS for this plan basically contradicts itself in a way, by basically limiting something that was purportedly unlimited.

Your TOS seems mighty arbitrary when the server could be a raq3 with 64 megs of ram, or perhaps a quad xeon box.

I understand your points but its hard not to admit that offering unlimited anything is shady at best, and is obviously the reason for the replies you have gotten here.

Do you sell dedicated servers? If you do then offering the unlimited data transfer on these would be great. The user would really have no limit except the server itself.

Anyway the price have gone up again since last time I visited their site:

Pricing:*** Monthly*** Annual
reseller: $89.95*****$899.50



:confused: :confused:

Don't bother calling DPN. They wont answer, they never do. They just want your money when you sign up. Then its all over with...

I noticed on their new reseller plan page, they have made the 'unlimited' transfer, 100gb. Which is a bit more justifiable. Only thing left now is to change the unlimited webspage part.