I think it is time for everyone to stop talking about the events of yesterday, stop trying to guess where this will go next, and get back to your normal lives.

Why?

What do terrorists try to do? Provoke terror. They want to disrupt American life. By "putting your life on hold until this is all over" (as I've heard people describe it) you are inadvertantly aiding their cause.

Let the FBI/CIA/NSA investigate who was to blame. Let the President call down air strikes or invasions if he must. And if you are in New York or Washington, donate blood. But go on with your lives, and tell the world that terrorism does not work... show the world that the commission of atrocities will not paralyze the US with fear.

Originally posted by cperciva
I think it is time for everyone to stop talking about the events of yesterday, stop trying to guess where this will go next, and get back to your normal lives.

Why?

What do terrorists try to do? Provoke terror. They want to disrupt American life. By "putting your life on hold until this is all over" (as I've heard people describe it) you are inadvertantly aiding their cause.

Let the FBI/CIA/NSA investigate who was to blame. Let the President call down air strikes or invasions if he must. And if you are in New York or Washington, donate blood. But go on with your lives, and tell the world that terrorism does not work... show the world that the commission of atrocities will not paralyze the US with fear.

That's exactly what we do, going on. But this MUST be discussed. This is not just an terrorist attack with a car bomb. This is against EVERY civilized country in the world. And as Bush declared in his 4th declaration, it's a declaration of war.

Originally posted by cperciva
What do terrorists try to do? Provoke terror. They want to disrupt American life. By "putting your life on hold until this is all over" (as I've heard people describe it) you are inadvertantly aiding their cause.Well, no, that's not their cause. That would be pointless. We don't know who is responsible for these attacks, but whoever it is has far more specific goals than to "disrupt American life" -- at best that's just a means to an end.

For example, assume this is the work of Osama bin Laden. The stated goal of his Al-Qaeda, as it relates to the US, is to remove American "Crusader" influence from the Saudi peninsula. This is because of their belief that the US is to blame for many Muslim deaths, disruption of the Saudi economy and infrastructure, breakdown of the Saudi social structure, and the split of the Holy Lands -- as well as that US presence is a threat to Saudi and Muslim control of the oil reserves there.

My point is that the goal of this or any terrorist organization is far more specific than to distract us from our daily lives. Distraction from our daily lives, further, is not at all the same thing as being "paralyzed with fear" -- in fact, it can be quite the opposite.

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first time i am seen good use of ezula TOPTEXT software.

i can see the underline link for word "donate blood" with yellow highlight encouraging me to donate blood with this texts.

"eZula encourages you to donate blood"

here is pic of that.

Originally posted by microsol


That's exactly what we do, going on. But this MUST be discussed. This is not just an terrorist attack with a car bomb. This is against EVERY civilized country in the world. And as Bush declared in his 4th declaration, it's a declaration of war.

I second that. It's not only the US but the whole democratic part of the world that has to face and deal with.

Originally posted by cperciva
I think it is time for everyone to stop talking about the events of yesterday, stop trying to guess where this will go next, and get back to your normal lives.

Why?

What do terrorists try to do? Provoke terror. They want to disrupt American life. By "putting your life on hold until this is all over" (as I've heard people describe it) you are inadvertantly aiding their cause.

Let the FBI/CIA/NSA investigate who was to blame. Let the President call down air strikes or invasions if he must. And if you are in New York or Washington, donate blood. But go on with your lives, and tell the world that terrorism does not work... show the world that the commission of atrocities will not paralyze the US with fear.

Well, I take it that you were not affected by losing anyone close to you in the attacks yesterday. If you did, then I don't think that you could "get back to your normal life" as you so eloquently put it.

For some of us, it will take a bit more than a day.

For example, assume this is the work of Osama bin Laden. The stated goal of his Al-Qaeda, as it relates to the US, is to remove American "Crusader" influence from the Saudi peninsula. This is because of their belief that the US is to blame for many Muslim deaths, disruption of the Saudi economy and infrastructure, breakdown of the Saudi social structure, and the split of the Holy Lands -- as well as that US presence is a threat to Saudi and Muslim control of the oil reserves there.

As with most terrorism/gangsters the truth of the matter is its about power, money and religious bigotry. I get the impression sometimes that in some of those lands they'd fight over the colour of the desert!

Originally posted by Cyberpunk
As with most terrorism/gangsters the truth of the matter is its about power, money and religious bigotry. I get the impression sometimes that in some of those lands they'd fight over the colour of the desert! You could easily replace the term "terrorism/gangsters" in your first sentence with "wars throughout history." And, probably, replace the term "in some of those lands" in the second with "anywhere in the world."

Originally posted by WeinBar Jack
Well, I take it that you were not affected by losing anyone close to you in the attacks yesterday. If you did, then I don't think that you could "get back to your normal life" as you so eloquently put it.

For some of us, it will take a bit more than a day.

There will not be normal life in the US for a long, long time.

And for some, life will never be "normal" again.

Yeah, i think those comments lack alot of sensitivity.

As Jack said, this obviously did not affect you personally, or anybody you love dearly, such as a relative, spouse, or child.

This tragedy only happened 36hours ago, and you think its been long enough, to stop grieving?
C'mon now, if somebody you knew died, you would be up and at 'em, feelin fine, within 36hours?

You must not be anywhere near New York.
Show some compassion
:mad:

never mind

Originally posted by cperciva
I think it is time for everyone to stop talking about the events of yesterday, stop trying to guess where this will go next, and get back to your normal lives.

Why?

What do terrorists try to do? Provoke terror. They want to disrupt American life. By "putting your life on hold until this is all over" (as I've heard people describe it) you are inadvertantly aiding their cause.

Let the FBI/CIA/NSA investigate who was to blame. Let the President call down air strikes or invasions if he must. And if you are in New York or Washington, donate blood. But go on with your lives, and tell the world that terrorism does not work... show the world that the commission of atrocities will not paralyze the US with fear.

OH MY GOD
I LOVE YOU
SO TRUE
SO TRUE
I AGREE

Originally posted by node9


You are just as sick.

buddy
wtf

how so?

im not going to halt my life, over some cowards

Originally posted by node9


OH MY GOD
I LOVE YOU
SO TRUE
SO TRUE
I AGREE


i cant believe some of the people on this board
what the hell is this

OH MY GOD
I LOVE YOU
SO TRUE
SO TRUE?

what the hell kinda person are you

probably 12THOUSAND PEOPLE DIED, because people hijacked a plane, and flew it into a ****ing building.
and the next day, your sleeping just fine, you dont care, you want to forget about it.

You think that when they bombed pearl harbour (only 2200 died, thats 20% Of the Deaths YESTERDAY).
You think people stopped talking about it the next day.

Maybe if your mother or father would have been in that building, you would show a little more compassion.
This isnt a movie, its real life, this happened, forcing ourselves to forget about it would just be an insult.

Have you ever lost a loved one?
Did you feel just fine about it 36hours later?
People deserve to grieve.

God, the people on these boards, you never know

and im not even american.. to be american and not care that your country was defaced.
sheeesh...pathetic..

Originally posted by node9
Please don't call me your buddy.
I would not have someone as ignorant as you for a buddy.


What the hell is wrong with your crack smoked brain cells??

Originally posted by RunOfTheMill

i cant believe some of the people on this board
what the hell is this

OH MY GOD
I LOVE YOU
SO TRUE
SO TRUE?

what the hell kinda person are you

probably 12THOUSAND PEOPLE DIED, because people hijacked a plane, and flew it into a ****ing building.
and the next day, your sleeping just fine, you dont care, you want to forget about it.

You think that when they bombed pearl harbour (only 2200 died, thats 20% Of the Deaths YESTERDAY).
You think people stopped talking about it the next day.

Maybe if your mother or father would have been in that building, you would show a little more compassion.
This isnt a movie, its real life, this happened, forcing ourselves to forget about it would just be an insult.

Have you ever lost a loved one?
Did you feel just fine about it 36hours later?
People deserve to grieve.

God, the people on these boards, you never know

and im not even american.. to be american and not care that your country was defaced.
sheeesh...pathetic..

actually
my father died last year from a heart attack
i know exactly how it feels
and for your information, i have said before and ill say it again
I feel just as bad as all of you
i live 5 mins from the american border
i can SEE the states from here

yes
it was at tragic day
i watched it all in horror, just like everyone else
But, i'm not gonna sit here, and debate it for hours online
and go crazy
and rip myh air out
and skip my daily activities, just to sit home and watch whats going on on the news.... I"m not putting my life on hold for some coward terrorists..im taking things one step a time

Im not gona sit here and predict wars, or who is gonna bomb who
i take things one step a time like i said

and if your going to say "OH UR CANADIAN, you dont know anything" your wrong

Being a canadian citizen means nothign to me
I have been to the us many times
all of my friends online are from the us
i CALL my friends in the US all the time
i know exactly how it feels to be american
i would be saying all this regardless of my citizenship

$h-t happens man... face it... we never knew this was coming

There is nothing you can do about it, besides pray, and donate blood, and do whatever to help the survivors and what not.... SItting here online, making fun of me, or mocking me, or saying allt his **** to me will get you no where, and frankily, debating this subject for hours wont either

like that other guy said

"I think it is time for everyone to stop talking about the events of yesterday, stop trying to guess where this will go next, and get back to your normal lives.

Why?

What do terrorists try to do? Provoke terror. They want to disrupt American life. By "putting your life on hold until this is all over" (as I've heard people describe it) you are inadvertantly aiding their cause.

Let the FBI/CIA/NSA investigate who was to blame. Let the President call down air strikes or invasions if he must. And if you are in New York or Washington, donate blood. But go on with your lives, and tell the world that terrorism does not work... show the world that the commission of atrocities will not paralyze the US with fear."

READ IT CAREFULLY

your post was horribly phrased, TO SAY THE LEAST.

sure you can agree with him, but to put ti the way you did, is so immature, it amazes me, not to mention how insensitive it was.

to me, '**** happens' isnt a good reason why anybody should move on.

Everybody wants to know whats hapening, because everybody cares, and wants to be involved.
And thats why we talk about it.

Originally posted by RunOfTheMill
[B]
probably 12THOUSAND PEOPLE DIED, because people hijacked a plane, and flew it into a ****ing building.
and the next day, your sleeping just fine, you dont care, you want to forget about it.

yes, as a matter of fact, i did goto sleep at 1am
unlike others on here, like i have said, im not halting my life, and everything for a bunch of cowards.

Have you ever lost a loved one?
Did you feel just fine about it 36hours later?
People deserve to grieve.

Just how much do you want man?
my father died when i was 16 years old
i'm 17 years old now, my mom cant speak any english, and we relied on my dad.... What the F*** do u want me to do

sh** was hard for me to....but man.......... IT HAPPENS.
i cant go back in time
neither can you

Originally posted by RunOfTheMill
your post was horribly phrased, TO SAY THE LEAST.

sure you can agree with him, but to put ti the way you did, is so immature, it amazes me, not to mention how insensitive it was.

to me, '**** happens' isnt a good reason why anybody should move on.

Everybody wants to know whats hapening, because everybody cares, and wants to be involved.
And thats why we talk about it.


EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHATS HAPPENING?

TURN ON THE NEWS

when you grow up you will realize how important this was.

nobody said that you can change what happened, who are you to say that we shouldnt talk about it.


im just going to go back to talking about how much of an foolish kid you are to the many people form WHT on my icq list.

goodnite.
god be with you.

lol see man

you don't worry about me
i realize what has happend

i didnt say nobody could talk about it
i was agreeing with the "people should let it rest for now"

let the us government handle it
dont try to be a super hero

i am just a big foolish kid
yes

i am going to go back to talking to everyone on my AIM list on how foolish you are too

there, now i am at your level.

the stupidity of your comment towards cpercivas post is what really gets to me.

theres a way to agree with what people say, i dont think that was appropriate.

Life does go on.
We are all still working.
We have a need to vent.
Emotions are high. And you don't need to be a resident of the United States to feel for the tens of thousands of lives affected by this atrocity.
I know that people from all nations are appalled at this cruel and cowardly act.
Life in these United States will never be the same.
We all have sense of vulnerability now.
We all feel shame.
Shame at humanity.
Shame for the human race.
Yes, we are going on with our lives.
But we are grieving

Originally posted by RunOfTheMill
when you grow up you will realize how important this was.



kinda sad how you seeem to think that i don't know how important this was
I mean seriously
I clearly said earlier that i care just as much as you do, if you dont believe me, well then whatever, but its the truth..... i was in shock just like you
but hey
i'm still in shock
but.. Just becaues this happend, doesnt mean i'm goign to resort to certain things.... like some people are.
i'm not gonnna sit here online and debate on ICQ and tell people that a certain someone is foolish for thinking this and how dare them this and that

get real

Originally posted by node9
. . . .i'm not gonnna sit here online and debate. . . . . .Here's an idea then. . . . . . . . . Quit posting. :rolleyes:

im not going to halt my life, over some cowards Sometimes it's not a matter of 'halting your life' for the cowards but rather the victims. As with any tragedy talking is often the only way to deal with the rash of emotions. Many people have had their 'normal life' stripped away from them without warning. Loved ones gone forever. Life with new fears. Questions unanswered. For the love of all that is good at least allow them to speak, and you're damn straight... if that means halting your "normal life" for a while to allow them to grieve then so be it! I would imagine you can afford to give them that much..and if not.. at least sit silently in the corner so that others may.

Perhaps the following words, spoken at a recent funeral, will help people understand my earlier remarks (the following is reconstructed to the best of my ability, but is likely imperfectly so):


We have come here today to mourn the loss of a great man and a great leader. In times of trouble we all turned to him for advice: When he spoke, we listened, and what he advised, we did.

Today of all days we need direction, yet today of all days he cannot give it. Those of us who knew him best, however, can perhaps reconstruct what he would have said had he the ability to speak to us today:

"All men live, and all men die", he would tell us. "What matters is not how long we have lived, but what we have done with our lives. What matters is not how we die, but how we live. Celebrate not my death, but celebrate my life and what I have done. And go into the world and continue your work, and mine."

It is easy to be overwhelmed with grief at times like this, but each of us has a duty to the world, and the loss of even the greatest of us must not cause us to discard our paths. Let us pause to pray for his soul, and then return to the world with all the determination and dedication he brought to it throughout his life.

I got over the shock this morning at 10:34 am on the NJ turnpike. I pull over the car. got out. hurled my guts out on the side of the road.

Ever hear of the 1000 yard stare. that's what the trooper told me I had. I was just getting over the shock and he told me to expect anger, hate and just about everything else.

where I drive to get to work the first thing I see is the Empire state building and the twin towers. the twin towers reflected the sun in such a way that I normaly got a bit of glair in such a way that would piss me off just about every day.

now I can't even remmember how high they were or exactly how they looked in relation to the rest of the skyline ( empty by the way )

yes I'll get on with my life, at my pace. but in the meen time I'll just be tolerant of those feeling what i'm feeling.

-Michael

very interesting
they are talking about exactly this on Oprah.

Wether we should move on, go on with our lives, as if nothing happened.
The reality is, somethign did happen.

Very intersting, tune in!