This is Completely Weird Guys.

LOOK AT WHAT IVE FIGURED OUT
(sorry, im really trembling here)

Flight 11: September 11th, a new day of infamy.
Flight 93: 1993, the year of the original WTC bombing.
And...

"the flights that were Highjacked were from United and AA, they were numbered as follows:
11, 93, 175, and 77
11 = Today's Date
9+3 = 12 = Tomorrow
1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday
7+7 = 14 = Friday
Hopefully this is a coincidence and the terrorists can't add. but if this is correct there will either be acts of terrorism every day for the next few days or a grand event the last day.

pass it around"

Damn, this SCARES ME

i sure hope they can't add, but seeing how some information has come up that some religious wacko (X-newsgroup poster) knew about this attack beforehand, and the type of information this guy used in his posts, i would believe that numerology would play a part in their sick acts. this is very frightening and horrifying. :(

This may be a bit freaky to some. I found this on a usenet newsgroup. Do you see anything in the picture?

God Bless America!

http://www.users.qwest.net/~dfrench2/face.jpg

Originally posted by Dahlia
i sure hope they can't add, but seeing how some information has come up that some religious wacko (X-newsgroup poster) knew about this attack beforehand, and the type of information this guy used in his posts, i would believe that numerology would play a part in their sick acts. this is very frightening and horrifying. :(

Do you have a link to this post? I'd like to take a look at it.

I don't think that there will be anymore terrorist attacks, atleast not this week, but probably something will happen...It's still early morning in the US, when i'm typing this so...

We can never be sure, what these religious fanatics (or anyone behind these attacks) can or will do. But I really do hope that nothing more like this will happen, ever again.

Also IMO it would not be a good move to attack afghanistan or whomever they blaim for this attack, the terrorists should of course be punished but I don't think that it's a good idea to kill more civilians just because there happens to be alot of terrorists in their country, obviosly they can not control what the terrorists do and therefor they should not be blaimed.

I sorry if i'm did not clearly state what I meant in this post, but I am still very chocked by the fact that something like this can be allowed to happen. My english is not that good, as you might have noticed...

I would also like to take this opportunity to give my complete sympathy for the victims, and everyone directly affected emotionally by this catastrophic attack..

well that's my $0.02...

I suppose (how could I know otherwise) that it might be some type of plan with symbolic numbers, but this almost goes into the whole "End of the world" scenario and predictions of the end by Nastradamus. If you read those at all or study them, you will see some pretty flawed predictions. For example, the Mongolian nation will be the new world power, and in a manner that would not make sense in this day and age -- whereas it would back them. The separation in chaos (when does that not happen?) and the big city burning (isn't that about how all wars start)?

It does also pretty much say it would be a leader of more of the Democratic variety, rather than of the Republican variety (just for those that are actually thinking any of this is "freaky", because it's not even accurate in that regard). This sort of evil happens daily, and any event or act like this can lead people to believe something bigger is bound to happen. I wouldn't worry too much about that, and if I'm wrong, well... I guess you're not going to be able to tell me anyway. Nonetheless, I would assume that the terrorists would have planned any attacks with certain ideas in mind. I mean, say they did plan more attacks, did they plan that the US would ground all flights? Maybe not. Maybe if there's more, it'll be by ship/boat or car/truck bombs? However, I'm fairly sure, that it's going to be somewhat difficult to pull anything too big off in the rudimentary way they did yesterday morning.

Think about it, they hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. That was it. How many options would a terrorist group with such a basic means have? I've seen people say they've planned it for years and maybe they did, but this sort of thing could have been planned last week. Their means of achieving this task, were timed well and the collapse of the towers was a fairly obvious guess. You run a large airliner into a tall building (possibly with explosives or just simply aircraft fuel), it'll burn up a lot in a large area, the above portion will fall and take the rest of the structure with it. Since they had intentions to take down these structures, that means of accomplishing it, doesn't seem it would take much planning or intelligence at all to pull off.

I have _some_ confidence, given those facts and obvious nature of it, and the military and government in such high alert status, that we aren't in too great of danger following this recent attack. That's not to say they don't have plans or a means to continue attacking and do it efficiently, but most cases like this, will result in quick, hard and effective hits and doesn't usually involve constant attacks. That would be unusual for terrorists, but you never know. I just wouldn't get too freaked out about it or start reading into things -- albeit, an interesting theory and it could be true... you never know. Anyway, just my opinions about it, I won't pretend to know what they think or plan.

Originally posted by Skeptical


Do you have a link to this post? I'd like to take a look at it.

total thread (kind of jumbled): http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&frame=right&th=54ab4d241c34e0cc&seekm=68bac7e4.0109111618.64493439%40posting.google.com#link1

where this guy 'predicted' something was going to happen: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b952e20%40monitor.lanset.com

Xinoehpoel is the poster i was talking about, the link had been posted in the other thread here in the lounge.

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I didn't see annything in that thread or any of that person's posts, that indicate he mentioned anything about this before hand? How exactly, did people come to that fact or conclusion? Furthermore, I _REALLY_ don't see it as anything even remotely strange if he did, seeing that this person is a regular poster at the alt.prophecies.nostradamus news group. This is basically what they talk about all day... this doesn't strike me as odd, even if I did see a post by him mentioning anything about this before hand.
Finally, what actually had freaked me out for a second, is someone mentioned his IP address and I looked at it and it has the same start of the IPblock as my local IP does (being 66.81..!). My local ISP is (*SMALL*), but then I noticed something in the header saying "monitor.lanset.com" as the news client's message ID... and that's in Sacramento, Ca, about 150 miles South. Again, I saw nothing in the way (in the Deja news archives) that had any information about this before it happened. Can you post THAT specific thread somewhere that shows a date and the relevant content?

Well, this is lame.. Apparently this was the big "saw it comming" larf...

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Xinoehpoel&hl=en&rnum=2&selm=Xns911A39A5BA34Anonanoncom%4024.2.68.108

Apparently he posted on Aug 30th, saying that "something is going to happen tomorrow", and people posted the next day saying "nothing happened" and mocked him. He then posted on Sep 4th and said "Wait 7 days, and then maybe I'll answer this post. You see, I am going away in seven days, and you will not hear from me again." and apparently that was the big tip off that he know... some nut in alt.prophecies.nostradamus with the subject "911" and people actually bothered to bring that into the discussion?? Why, exactly? Are people loosing it, or what? I can't believe people are saying they should inform the FBI of this person, because of what he claimed... my gooooooddnesss....

sorry, i had to search through the 300+ posts in that thread to find exactly where it was this guy first said what he said, i edited my above post to include the link directly to it. i read that earlier so there weren't that many posts to fish through.

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From: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc)
Subject: Re: 911
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
View: Complete Thread (301 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-09-04 12:40:28 PST


Wait 7 days, and then maybe I'll answer this post. You see, I am going away
in seven days, and you will not hear from me again.

X
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the fact that this guy is into nostradamus stuff to me points tothe guy being a little loopy (ok, one thing is to be interested in nostradamus which is normal, another is to be psycho and try to make what he said come true) and whomever did this, if also for the reasons, did it to fulfill this profecy? insane. its crazy, and since none of the news channels have even mentioned this, this is probably fake or i dont know what to think of it. just very very strange coincidence. :eek:

No offense at all to you, but if you believe that user's post had anything to do with it, beyond complete and obvious coincidence, then you need to take a break and get out more. Do yourself a favor and bon't even question something so ridiculous.

Oh, and just in case anyone's concerned about Xinoehpoel's well being, and I know we all are, he's happily posting in his predictions news group even still, as of today. Just thought I'd let everyone know that would have otherwise lost sleep... real spooky stuff huh......

i dont believe it. just a coincidence like i said at the end of my last post. that image that was posted, also just spooky coincidence. its just interesting how things like this happen, and for some who do believe this loopy guy i think its for the reason to try to glue these pieces together. things people do when they don't know the entire story, coping in some form. by discussing it, even if it is as far fetched as that newsgroup post, its a healing process.

im still in shock, and sick from all this. i haven't even been able to work at all since i heard and now posting about this somehow has made me feel a little better. i have friends in nyc who have family that are missing. its almost hard not to get linked into this no matter where in the world you are. :(

End of world theories are easy to come up with. A cloud of dust makes so many shapes it's bound to look like a face sometime. Adding up numbers to make three consecutive dates (and conveniently not adding the digits of 11 to make 2), is all just coincidence.

Originally posted by Lawrence
End of world theories are easy to come up with. A cloud of dust makes so many shapes it's bound to look like a face sometime. Adding up numbers to make three consecutive dates (and conveniently not adding the digits of 11 to make 2), is all just coincidence. Exactly. The flight numbers could have been anything, and with jumbling around of those digits, whatever they were, you could come up some kind of "patterns."

Same thing, really, with Nostradamus' predictions. As Tim pointed out, he wrote many things which make no sense at all. But by the sheer volume of what he wrote, and the infinite number of thngs that have happened since then, of course you can find parallels.

Besides, and I don't mean this to sound as sarcastic as it might, this isn't the Riddler throwing out clues for Batman. If the terrorists behind this did plan on doing something for four straight days or whatever, why bother picking out flights that could somehow signify it? No doubt they picked the flights because of the timing of them, and the distance they had to fly (that is, the full load of fuel).

Originally posted by RotoHost
This may be a bit freaky to some. I found this on a usenet newsgroup. Do you see anything in the picture?

God Bless America!

http://www.users.qwest.net/~dfrench2/face.jpg

OK that is scary

I know that things can look like what you want them to but still scarry

Originally posted by Honu
I know that things can look like what you want them to but still scarry Perhaps if that looked like someone specific it'd be worthwhile, but as it is... so what?

And have you considered that you're looking at a captured image that may well have been doctored in Photoshop before posting? Does anyone have the original video clip? I'd have to see that to even accept that this is really the way the thing looked. Otherwise, it's just a big Bonsai Kitten in the sky.

Talking about Nostradamus. Did you allready saw this one from him?

In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.

Hmmmmm, just have a look at http://www.crystalinks.com/quatrains.html

Originally posted by Domenico
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.Oh, I get it. The two brothers are the twin towers, right? And the chaos would be the planes. And New York City, obviously, is the City of God; everyone calls it that. So who is the great leader who will now succumb, and where is this fortress? Is that Mayor Giuliani and his crisis center?

Seriously, where's the relevance of this quote?

JayC, I'd say that is pretty specific. But I think it is a doctored image.

Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
JayC, I'd say that is pretty specific. But I think it is a doctored image. You mean it is supposed to be recognizably a picture of someone specific? I can't see it... who?

Originally posted by JayC
Perhaps if that looked like someone specific it'd be worthwhile, but as it is... so what?

And have you considered that you're looking at a captured image that may well have been doctored in Photoshop before posting? Does anyone have the original video clip? I'd have to see that to even accept that this is really the way the thing looked. Otherwise, it's just a big Bonsai Kitten in the sky.

aloha
yeah I agree a %100 with ya
but if it was not doctored it would be scary
I have seen stuff like that before undoctored it can happen
much like inkblots can becoem things.
its just kinda freaky ;)

Originally posted by JayC
Oh, I get it. The two brothers are the twin towers, right? And the chaos would be the planes. And New York City, obviously, is the City of God; everyone calls it that. So who is the great leader who will now succumb, and where is this fortress? Is that Mayor Giuliani and his crisis center?

Seriously, where's the relevance of this quote?


I didn't wrote that but Nostradamus in 1565 I believe.
The great leader that will succumb? Fortress? Who know, it isn't over yet you know.

There was talk about Nostradamus and I thought this quatrain was pretty accurate. I never said I believed in them but you must admit it does come close...

Originally posted by Domenico
There was talk about Nostradamus and I thought this quatrain was pretty accurate. I never said I believed in them but you must admit it does come close... Well, no, that was my point -- I don't see that it comes close at all. You can make the interpretation that the two brothers are the buildings, I suppose, but even with that stretch the rest of it could mean anything.

It's that kind of loose and highly imaginative interpretation that lets people convince themselves of the validity of things like Nostradamus' writings, but with the same kind of approach you could probably present the argument that this signals the Apocalypse by some parallel in the Bible; or that it was all predicted by the Brothers Grimm.

Well, you don't have to tell me because I'm not a believer.

But talking about the brother's Grimm. Did you know that mother goose actually..... nevermind. Go to any conspiracy forum on the net and talk to them about it ;-)

btw. everything could mean anything...

Talking about Nostradamus. Did you allready saw this one from him?

In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb.

Hmmmmm, just have a look at http://www.crystalinks.com/quatrains.html
The Nostradamus quote is a load of crap:
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

hum...isn't it interesting that we suddenly have all these Nostradamus quotes that apply directly to the current situation!! seriously...

Originally posted by Dogma
hum...isn't it interesting that we suddenly have all these Nostradamus quotes that apply directly to the current situation!! seriously...

There's been MANY events over a very LONG period of history that you can link to these type of quotes and predictions. Why is this particular any different?

"there will be a great thunder,"

A cause for any war, a result or any act of war.

"Two brothers torn apart"

This can be related to any countries, buildings, sibling's, religions, anything.

"by Chaos,"

Torn apart by chaos... That's usually the result of anything chaotic.

"while the fortress endures,"

What fortress, where? What country, people or military isn't or can't be considered a fortress of have a fortress?

"the great leader will succumb."

There's _always_ going to be a "leader" in a war, and one of them will _always_ have to eventually fall or give in.

Okay, a bad example or a bad quote, but still, how exactly is this so convincing, profound, or even relevant? These predictions about this event, are absolutely NO more indicative of this eent, than ANY other event that involved conflict and/or war -- none. You can look at any event of conflict or war whatsoever, and these predictions are so generic, that they can apply just as well to _any_ of them. It's just how you preceive it. There's nothing unique or special whatsoever about it. None of this is difficult to predict happening at some point. The date and to what degree it happens and specific (NOT "interpreted") details would make more sense -- and there's none of that. All of these are of the person's inperpretation.

I hate to break the news to people the hard way, but the only predictions that have come true, are those that are in the Bible. I'm not preaching about it or whatever, I'm simply saying, that they come true, when it says they will and specifically how it says. No one and nothing else has been 100%. This has nothing to do with belief even, you can believe it's good guesses or insights if you want, but it can't be denied. That said, I'd be a bit more willing to accept perdictions that are 100% accurate in the manner of how they happened, in the order they are told to, before I'd believe someone predicting events in such general terms and has not had that good of a track record. I don't find these predictions eerie, nor interesting.

I can't believe anyone would question, wonder or seriously consider or think that it's all kind of creepy or even close. However, people do and will always believe what they want to as per the validity of something like this, and that's fine for them. If you ask me, it's a lot of needless and ridiculous worry and waste or time. It's one thing if you find it interesting or whatever, but to even mention it like it might be true or a sign or relevant to this, you may as well have lived out the last 1,000 conflicts on Earth and associated those to these predictions as well. That's about how close it is and about how much of a waste of time it is to even wonder about such things. I think stories and fairy tales are best left to books and movies, personally and don't really belong in a serious discussion. However, the original post and reason for this thread was hardly anything other than someone saying "wouldn't if be weird if this meant something"... so I didn't expect it to really go into anything serious. :-)

In this case, the two brothers represent the two towers. The great thunder is the drone of the aircraft engines escalating to a great thunder as the accident occured. The fortress symbolises the rock solid democratic basis of the United States, with the great leader being bin Laden, who will succumb under the guns of the US military, while the fortress will remain standing.

Of course, the symbolism of brothers extends further to biblical references of Cain and Abel, torn apart by Chaos. The evil of Cain striking down Abel runs parallel with that of terrorists striking down a symbol of American power. In a modern technological world, the towers become a symbol of power, as the family was in biblical times. The foundations of humanity today are shaken, just as the foundations of humanity were shaken in history.

The tearing apart of the towers by chaos signals a new fragmentation of the human race, just as the sins of Cain split God's people. The symbolism of splitting is necessary to facilitate the final war between good and evil, where the human race will finally be united once more.

Identifying America as a fortress is symbolic of its seemingly impenetrable nature, but of how it can be covertly destroyed from within. Terrorism is, of course, a symbol of this covert evil.



According to what sbrad posted, the quote was fabricated by a student in an essay to demonstrate how such abstract phrases can be interpreted to have so many meanings. Can you see why?

Pretty nifty that a student was so insightful to have modified or otherwise fabricated this to be so generalized, that we can easily use this in 10,000 other scenarios. Indeed, Lawrence's post and example illustrate that fact clearly. Now, let's see who can come up with the best way to relate this prediction to a hotdog vendor and see if we can come up with something a little more interesting of an example. :-)

I guess some people just don't have any imagination and others just have to much ;-)

The ones that hijacked the planes thought that they went to paradise. Does this mean they had hadn't any imagination?

Who thinks that is true anyway?

Hmmm, I guessed so...

Now, let's see who can come up with the best way to relate this prediction to a hotdog vendor and see if we can come up with something a little more interesting of an example. :-)tim, remember i dont believe this so its just a comment (from your other post saying that you hope i dont really believe this, :rolleyes: just to clearify heh heh), and what i came up with this nostradamus quote.

In the City of God there will be a great thunder - Isreal and all the mess that has been going on could be considered a great thunder (war is usually thunderous at least).

Two brothers torn apart by Chaos - the twin towers, chaos=terrorism

while the fortress endures - the White House, thought to be the target of the attack that ended up hitting the Pentagon. both structures still there, the Pentagon survived the attack. i think these structures in the US are considered our governments fortress.

the great leader will succumb - this one is still left to the future i would think. no leader has died yet.

how i read the nostradamus quote, it seems like it goes in order. anyway, thats my interpretation. i dont believe in people who can see into the future, so its just something that is interesting to comment on as others have too.

Originally posted by Dahlia

In the City of God there will be a great thunder - Isreal and all the mess that has been going on could be considered a great thunder (war is usually thunderous at least).The problem with your whole analysis, besides the fact that you could make such leaps to ascribe almost any event to almost any such quote, is that Nostradamus did not write that quatrain.

I realize you're saying you don't really believe it, I just want to make the fraudulent origins of this quote clear in an attempt to stop the silly speculation about this thing. Because you may not believe it, but someone not reading this thread very carefully might find some of these responses to be so believable...

well, there ya go. i don't study nostradamus stuff as i dont believe in any of it. i was just commenting on some of the strange things that have come up over the past 2 days about this on the net and in this thread. tim asked if anyone could come up with something more interesting, and even though mine isn't interesting i still posted what i had thought about that specific quote (not the exact quatrain as you pointed out). this thread, at least i dont think, wasn't meant to be serious and if you came into it thinking in a serious manner that's up to you. for me, i didnt think this was a serious thread, just our ideas on some of the things that are being discussed here and on various board/newsgroups on the net.

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it would be nice if someone who knows the original quatrain could post it as i've never really read on nostradamus and most of the links i've found at google go to 404's
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True enough, and as has been repeated, it makes no point or serves no purpose anyway, since that is obviously not a real quote anyway. Making sense of it and saying how it relates, is the same as if I wrote up a quote yesterday to relate to it myself. Going back to the actual, true quote, there's nothing in there that really relates. A city and burning. How many cities have at leats a few buildings burn as a result of war or an act of war? I'd guess probably 100% of all of them that were involved in a war or what lead up to a war. That was the only relevant thing that was listed in the true quote and that could be anything at any time. The rest was conjured up and makes a poor example of how much it resembles this event.

I might find some of the true predictions interesting, even Casey's, but it's all a lot of "hooplah" anyway and I think all of us are aware of it. Anyone that believes that these true, generic and generalized predictions are a sign of the end, and moreover the one's that believe based on some _obvious_ modification of them very recently, should really seek some help. Anyway, I'm a bit upset that there's not any hotdog vendor predictions.

PS: In case anyone's been following, there was no attack the following day anyway.. so much for the original theory.

Originally posted by Dahlia

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it would be nice if someone who knows the original quatrain could post it as i've never really read on nostradamus and most of the links i've found at google go to 404's
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Google has a "cache" option, which saves the pages and you can view them that way, even if they've been deleted or modified in the meantime. Though, I don't think I'd suggest trusting any sources you find online, no matter what the subject is, without verifying it's authenticity in another manner. There's some great books at your library or local bookstore, Im sure. Check them out if you're interested.

Originally posted by Dahlia
it would be nice if someone who knows the original quatrain could post it as i've never really read on nostradamus and most of the links i've found at google go to 404's
There is no legitimate Nostradamus quote that is close to it. It's not a modification of Nostradamus; it's completely a fabrication.

A link explaining that (from the very credible and admirable snopes.com) was already posted in this thread, but here it is again: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

The "Nostradamus" quote was made up by Neil Marshall as an example of how some important-sounding but vague writing could be taken to mean almost anything. The writer's point was that if he made a thousand vague prophesies and then waited a thousand years, they'd all be able to be applied to some event. The original source is here:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa070599.htm