Once again I would like to express all my compassion for the innocent victims.

I have noticed several facts (after looking several hours at CNN, Euronews and some other channels):
- practically the film of the events stopped at 11.40 AM. After that nothing new was said;
- we have seen the same and the same images on CNN (which is very strange for this network);

We have here a certain experience in being manipulated by TV (remember the live tv Romanian "revolution") and I'm asking myself:

1. Why an official report about the number of planes reported as missing wasn't made ? If this was made can you precise the source ?
2. Why the information flow has stopped much before the emergency was declared in Washington and NY ?
3. Does somebody tries to mask the reality ?
4. HOW AT LEAST 5 PLANES WERE HI-JACKED IN THE SAME TIME ? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE ? It seems that US has a MAJOR security problem and a intelligence problem. I really don't understand how there was no information related to the imminence of terrorist attacks on US soil ??? This is really strange!

why is it impossible to hijack 5planes at once.

As it has been said, this has probably been planned for MANY YEARS!

Its as simple as boarding planes, on a day where they leave at the perfect times, and then taking control.

Impossible to foresee, predict, or control.

Sorry this could have happenedt o ANYBODY.

There are two things that I just don't undestand.. or at least, sound strange to me.

1- Why nobody noticied that those 5 airplanes flew for diferent route than the assigneds for so long time?

2- In a image that I seen in MTV. I saw 2 fireman near to the WTC before the first crash. just Coincidence? could be.. I don't know

I didn't even know there were 5. My mom told me about a 5th and when I went to the CNN map of where all the planes went, it only had 4 flights listed...

yes jedito they did notice the planes going off course.

but what are you going to do?
they werent more than 25minutes away from the WTC when they went off course, its just too late at that point.
And even then, it was still unfathomable to think that somethign like this would happen.

Hope this clears that up for you

1- It was 4 airplanes, not 5. In any case, they flew for so long off-course because the transponders were disabled. Therefore, it was just a "blip" on radar screens...no way to identify what was what.

2- I think the footage you're talking about is where someone was taping a firefighter demonstrating something...or something like that. Anyway, there are 14 million+ residents in NYC. They have a police department of over 40,000 people. I don't know how large their fire department is, but it seems quite credible that one of them would "just happen" to be out on the street with a camera.

My $.02

Sorry.. maybe somebody misuderstood me. I don't want to offense anybody, less in a day like today.
That 2 was only doubt that I get after all this.
You know. I can barely believe that this happen.. is just so surrealist.

Thanks for Sbrad and RunOfTheMill for clear my doubts and please excuse me if my words offended you

Originally posted by toma1708
Once again I would like to express all my compassion for the innocent victims.

I have noticed several facts (after looking several hours at CNN, Euronews and some other channels):
- practically the film of the events stopped at 11.40 AM. After that nothing new was said;


What do you mean, nothing new? They updated us with information constantly, as it came in. I wasn't watching CNN as much as I was watching ABC, so I might not have reason to know what you are referring to/


- we have seen the same and the same images on CNN (which is very strange for this network);


AP = Associated Press. They sort of distribute the same footage to all the major networks. I saw many different angles and many different, unique footage. Is CCN slipping? That's hard to believe.


We have here a certain experience in being manipulated by TV (remember the live tv Romanian "revolution") and I'm asking myself:


What does that mean? The only thing any credible news source will report, is facts or they will make it clear that it's opinion or speculation. How could anyone possibly manipulate this event? What are you getting at?



1. Why an official report about the number of planes reported as missing wasn't made ? If this was made can you precise the source ?


They didn't have definite information. There's a _lot_ of planes in the skies over the United States every day, especially at around 9 AM on a Tuesday. They couldn't possibly know or say or confirm exactly how many, if any were missing.. how could they? To assume they would be so exact and organized, would be ridiculous.


2. Why the information flow has stopped much before the emergency was declared in Washington and NY ?


It was declared as soon as it was confirmed it was an attack, as soon as it got serious -- beyond two planes crashing into the towers and resulting in damage to them, as well as fires. The continuation or worry of continued attacks, the accumulation and growth of the situation's risk, damage, "fear factor" and the size of it all had become expeditiously and severely worse. There was little information, a lot of confusion and a lot of panic and disorganization due to the massive scale of this event. I don't blame them for not declaring a state of emergency without having the information confirmed, even if it seems obvious.


3. Does somebody tries to mask the reality ?


I'm not sure what that means or what you're trying to get at?


4. HOW AT LEAST 5 PLANES WERE HI-JACKED IN THE SAME TIME ? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE ?


5 people walk onto 5 different planes at the same time. It's about that simple. I won't bother to mention 4 planes, that's not the point. The point is, flights within the continental United States obviously have far less security measures in place, even if grossly so. Perhaps they planned and knew someone at the airlines, that's not too far fetched. Someone in their organization could have worked at each airline for years, planned this for years and perhaps threw a monkey wrench in the works to confuse and delay people tracking the flights. That too, is not only not far fetches, but in my opinion is very likely.


It seems that US has a MAJOR security problem and a intelligence problem.


Every country does, no one's immune to that aspect. Further, without any intelligence on the matter, what can they possibly know about such an event planned?


I really don't understand how there was no information related to the imminence of terrorist attacks on US soil ??? This is really strange!

I don't think it's strange at all. Without warning, there's no warning, it's that simple. It's understandable and reasonable to assume that there's many terrorists that have planned or are still planning, or will plan attacks that didn't share information with outside or non trusted sources. Given those variables, it's certainly reaonsable to think that we're not always going to have information about such an event or planning of it. I'm really confused as to what you are getting at here? Do you think maybe Mr. Bush planned this and is just using this as an excuse to have his oil stocks in Texas sky rocket? Or, perhaps, because he's looked so foolish in the presidency as of late (his entire term thus far) and has basically been mocked for looking like an idiot, that he wanted to start an incident involving the Middle East, like his George Bush Sr., so he can raise his level of status with the American public in that way, just like GB Sr. did -- and murder many, many thousands of people to get it going?

Or, is there some other reason why anyone would question this and mention how TV is known to manipulate people? Just in case you need to know, it'd be pretty difficult to fool so many people into thinking the World Trade Center building's are gone, if they aren't. I've spoken to people that were within 5 miles of this event and they sure saw them fall. What are you trying to say, exactly? I just don't understand where you're going with this.

Sorry.. maybe somebody misuderstood me. I don't want to offense anybody, less in a day like today.
That 2 was only doubt that I get after all this.
You know. I can barely believe that this happen.. is just so surrealist.

Thanks for Sbrad and RunOfTheMill for clear my doubts and please excuse me if my words offended you
Nope, didn't offend me.
I don't think you *really* offended Tim, either. He just likes to type. :D :D :D

Originally posted by sbrad

Nope, didn't offend me.
I don't think you *really* offended Tim, either. He just likes to type. :D :D :D

I responded to another poster, but nonetheless, the other poster didn't offend me either, for the record.. I am just genuinely curious of what they were getting at...?? Nonetheless, to me personally, inaccurate reports, speculation or assumptions not made clear or whatever else, is not a good reason to question the event and the circumstances as if it was just some TV hype or something. However, I don't know what that user meant or was getting at, so I'll try to not assume very much in that regard either anyway.. it just seemed odd to me.

Why is there this need to start one topic after another after another when there's already a few you can reply to?

True, I'm just going to comment, to say that we should all just stick to one thread, or the more relevant.. not that other threads matter... but there's a lot to talk about and that's potentially a few thousand threads.