Terrible plane crash in New York [Archive]

WebSnail.net

09-11-2001, 12:02 PM

Guys... You need to calm down some...

So far I've seen reports on this forum of around 3 additional planes that aren't even in the air.

BBC News keep screwing up and mentioning a crash into a Chicago building which hasn't happened. They're so shocked and unable to regroup that they're getting information wrong.

Then we've got some of you automatically attributing this to a Palestinian organisation.

Couple of things.

1. Gossip gets people killed... often the wrong ones.
2. Mis-information has a way of becoming accepted fact.

That's exactly what screwed things up with the Bombing in Ohio. How many of you were screaming "Kill the rag heads!!" ?? Hmm, and who was it in the end... An American.

Bottom Line:

STOP!

THINK!

When you have some information that is directly from a terrorist sitting there bragging about what he, she or they have done THEN you have a fact to report. But you've got to stop all this reporting heresay or bull****. All it breeds is hate and you've just seem what that results in.

Sorry this is just as unbelievable for me as it is for you... Some of mine, yours or others friends, colleagues or families may well have been in those planes, offices or on the ground when it all happened.

And if you think this is all over... My guess is that something this well co-ordinated may well extend to other countries.

And perhaps even more worrying... What will the response be? What evidence will it be based upon? What will the knock on effects be?

At this point... my prayers for the victims, their families and a hope that cooler heads will prevail.

microsol

09-11-2001, 12:16 PM

Ok, so we cool down then.
Facts:
2 planes crash into the twin towers.
1 plane crashes into the pentagon.
1 plane crashes in Pennsylvania.
1 plane crashes in Camp David.
1 plane shoot down near by Camp David

2 planes lost (now) in the American Air Space.

akashik

09-11-2001, 12:17 PM

That's a very good point. I'm flipping across 5 channels on a WinTV card on this desktop and there's a few pretty wild posts in this thread. I'm also working with people in New York right now, and most are just trying to stick to business as usual to keep their heads straight.

Greg Moore

JayC

09-11-2001, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by WebSnail.net
That's exactly what screwed things up with the Bombing in Ohio.Oops. Misinformation. That was Oklahoma.

But I agree with your main point. I've been sitting here watching news reports for almost four hours, and several things have been stated as fact here in this thread that haven't been mentioned. I'm sure no one is really using this as their sole news source, but remember that it's an unreliable one.

What's known as fact right now doesn't go much beyond: two planes have struck the World Trade Center; both towers have collapsed. One plane has struck the Pentagon, part of that building is heavily damaged. Another plane has crashed in Pennsylvania, no detailed reports yet of the damage there.

As of right now I haven't seen any news source reporting that a plane has been shot down, or that a plane has hit Camp David. That doesn't mean those things haven't happened, but I haven't been away from the news for a minute -- both the tv and local NYC radio -- and I haven't heard those things yet. While the city has stated that people should leave the area south of Canal Street, I haven't heard anything about evacuating Manhattan -- which would be pretty difficult, with the bridges and tunnels closed.

Craig

09-11-2001, 12:24 PM

"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

WebSnail.net

09-11-2001, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by JayC
Oops. Misinformation. That was Oklahoma
Ok, irony and of course I could use a leaf from my own book...

*Deep Breaths*.

Interestingly there's absolutely nothing here about the Camp David aircraft.

Marty

09-11-2001, 12:33 PM

This may be the reason for the reports about Camp David. From USATODAY:

Plane crashes in Pa.; unclear if related

PITTSBURGH (AP) — A large plane crashed Tuesday morning just north of the Somerset County Airport, airport and county emergency officials said.

The plane, believed to be a 747 jumbo jet, crashed about 10 a.m. about eight miles east of Jennerstown, according to county 911 dispatchers, WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh reported.

Officials weren't saying what airline was involved. It was unclear if the crash was related to the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington.

Sean Cavanaugh, a commissioner in neighboring Fayette County, said his emergency management director, Barney Shipley, advised him that the plane originated in either Cleveland or New York and was bound for Chicago, WPXI reported.

Contrary to earlier reports of the plane being a 767, Cavanaugh said he was told the airplane was a Boeing 747, the largest passenger jet flown domestically.

The Somerset County airport, about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, in a small, rural facility that does not handle such aircraft.

Because of the attacks, the Federal Aviation Administration had ordered all departing flights canceled nationwide, and any planes already in the air were to land a the nearest airport. The plane crashed shortly after the order was issued.

It was not immediately known if the 747 might have been trying to land at the Somerset County airport when the crash occurred.

The crash came the same morning that terrorists crashed two planes into the World Trade Center in New York City and the twin 110-story towers collapsed. Explosions also rocked the Pentagon and the State Department and spread fear across the nation.

There were no other immediate details on the Pennsylvania crash.

sodapopinski

09-11-2001, 12:39 PM

What do you think? who did it? Palestine???

JayC

09-11-2001, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by WebSnail.net
Interestingly there's absolutely nothing here about the Camp David aircraft. Just to clarify a small bit of misinformation for those not from the US or not familiar with it: Camp David isn't actually a "summer residence," it more of a retreat -- a place where the last several presidents go at times to isolate themselves from Washington. Of course, it's also where the "Camp David Accords" were signed.

President Bush was not there today; he was in Florida. While the government is saying they aren't, understandably, revealing where he is right now media speculation is that he's still aboard Air Force One (he certainly left Florida on the plane after the New York attacks). Of course, with the sort of activity that's going on today the safest place for the President to be is probably in the air. A report right now says that he will not return to Washington today.

erapid

09-11-2001, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Craig
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

"pimple on your tongue" : russian saying

:(((((

I condole to everyone who are touched by this tradegy

acetate

09-11-2001, 12:53 PM

It's pretty sad and I'm so shocked how all these events can happened in a couple of hours..

Here in Los Angeles, city hall and most of the federal buildings have been evaculated.. Pretty darn sad.. Sigh..
Most airports are not allowing outbound flights. So no one is flying anywhere today.. My girlfriend tried calling home to NY and all lines were busy..

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Craig

09-11-2001, 12:55 PM

the news "experts" are talking about how the gent who tried to blow them up before was behind them.
Which.. could make sence since his other attack would have been very clever and presise if it had worked.
He wanted to blow up one - so it would fall onto the other.
This is pure speculation however..

Craig

my thoughs go out to all those that have lost.

acetate

09-11-2001, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Craig
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

Hopefully thats not true.. =(

Craig

09-11-2001, 01:03 PM

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395919.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre

Totally sick.

Bloody kids cheering.

Its discusting.

Craig

Craig

09-11-2001, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by acetate

Hopefully thats not true.. =(

Me too, its the last thing i want.

Craig

Nicholas Brown

09-11-2001, 01:07 PM

Dear oh dear - this is baaaad :bawling:

acetate

09-11-2001, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Craig
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395919.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre

Totally sick.

Bloody kids cheering.

Its discusting.

Craig

Oh well... This really sucks.. There's an old (well not really old) chinese saying that goes something like

Being a good person has no good rewards..

God, we've helped these third world country out when something disasterous happens to them and once something happens to us, they cheer? Give me a break.. Hope they go to the seven levels of hell.. sorry.. but i'm really shocked by these events today..

MCHost-Marc

09-11-2001, 01:19 PM

All airports in the US and Canada have been closed. US Military is on highest alert.

:unhappy:

microsol

09-11-2001, 01:34 PM

It's unoficial but i heard rumours that the plane in Pennsylvania was also shoot by US fighters.

XTStrike

09-11-2001, 01:50 PM

I heared on the news its illegal for a government plane to shoot a commercial airliner

WebSnail.net

09-11-2001, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Craig
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_395919.html?menu=news.worldtradecentre

Totally sick.

Bloody kids cheering.

Its discusting.

Craig Hmm... worth keeping an open mind on this...

I saw a bunch of kids and a few people "playing" for the camera.

You have to consider that a lot of these people have wanted to get on with their lives and whilst I can't comment on the politics involved I would say that perhaps if you were just trying to get on with your life and Israel is sending in rockets and shells to blow the crap out of you on a next to daily basis (plus all the history involved) then you'd probably not have any great love of America either.

I know it's a real leap of viewpoint but if you got these people and yourselves together and showed each other the horror inflicted on both sides as well as the "normalness" involved in each others lives then you can be sure that 99% of you and they would be equally horrified and have a better understanding of each others situation.

Basically: don't let a stereotypical viewpoint get you thinking that all "XXX" people are "that way"... It's simply not logical or true.

Just a thought...

Eagle

09-11-2001, 02:05 PM

On behalf of everybody related to our business we show disgust to anyone related to these terror actions and hope god shall rule with no mercy.

We sympathize with anyone related to anyone that died or got injured in this tragedy.

Please all forward the message to support the people that were innocently killed and injured. And to show disgust and disrespect for those responsible.

slade

09-11-2001, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by xtstrike
I heared on the news its illegal for a government plane to shoot a commercial airliner
And someone will probably be courtmartiall'ed unjustly for it, but given the circumstances, I think most people would agree with it.

Note for reference, though:

1) It's illegal to hijack a plane
2) It's illegal to willfully crash a plane into a occupied building
3) It's illegal to set off a car bomb in a public place.

That doesn't seem to fix any of our problems though :(

Honu

09-11-2001, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Craig
"The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

Man that gives me chills
I wake up this morning
5:30 am HST which is 11:30 EST

a prayer goes out to all those families
I wont get into my thoughts now
I can say I am very torn up
My dad is a retired United pilot and is away on a trip right now in Phoenix at there other home and my mom is at the main house waiting for my dad to come home.
this sucks !!!!!!!!
again a big prayer to all those that have friends family etc....

I am just hoping that like after Pearl Harbour there was a ton of racial hatred I hope that this does not start up more racial tensions.

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Honu
. . . . . . I am just hoping that like after Pearl Harbour there was a ton of racial hatred I hope that this does not start up more racial tensions. Sadly, it will. You can see forms throughout this thread.

{NIRMANI}

09-11-2001, 02:18 PM

I also join you to sympathize the innocent people killed & injured by this; on behalf of the people in Sri Lanka. This is a total tragedy; but this is not the worst in human history, every day terrorists & goverments cause some kind of non-human things to happen on this earth. US goverment should re-think about its foreign policy to avoid this type of things happening in & out of USA. Thats what I have to say, We have to protect our children! We should give them a peaceful world!!
:eek:

JayC

09-11-2001, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by xtstrike
I heared on the news its illegal for a government plane to shoot a commercial airliner I'd be very surprised to find that there's any law specifically saying that. Why would there be?

It would seem to make little sense to do so, though, unless the plane were clearly and obviously on target to hit something. It's hard to believe that the plane that went down in Pennsylvania, in a rural area 80 miles from the nearest large city, would have been shot down, because there'd be no way to know that the plane did have any particular target and so to evaluate whether bringing it down was the better choice.

And again, I haven't heard any news reports of it. Sounds like just a wild rumor, in spite of it being "Confirmed!" a few posts back.

Eagle

09-11-2001, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Sadly, it will. You can see forms throughout this thread.

Let me tell you this, I am a person with great respect for ANYONE, black white purple yellow red whatever color, race or whatever differences there are...

But people doing this, people cheering on the streets simply DISGUST me, and I will NOT show ANY respect to those whatsoever. I dont remember who said it, something like "I hope they rot in the 7th layer of hell". It is not nice to say this, but lets say this, I couldn't agree more.

We all worked hard for democracy, our hard work was just attacked today.

cperciva

09-11-2001, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by xtstrike
I heared on the news its illegal for a government plane to shoot a commercial airliner

I think actually it is illegal for a government plane to shoot down a commercial airliner *which is following directions from air traffic controllers*. Generally speaking the legal autonomy of pilots is very limited ... they are required to follow directions from air traffic controllers at all times.

Assuming that the hijacked planes were not following orders from air traffic control (lol) there is no reason for them to not be shot down.

Remember, if NORAD detects a plane coming into north american airspace which has not received permission and filed flight data with the appropriate authorities they immediately send fighter jets up to intercept; it is then up to the fighter pilots to attempt to establish radio contact and take whatever action the military deems necessary.

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 02:23 PM

I received this email from CoffeCup Software today. . . ..
Hello everyone,

This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software.
As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon
were attacked about 45 minutes ago.

The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt
sorrow to those that perished in these attacks.

We would like to also say on record that if any country
is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that
country's complete destruction and annihilation.

Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear
and stop production, halt your life or work.

Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing.

-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make.

Nick-

So I went to their site and saw this. . . . .

Terrorist Attacks on the USA !?

We feel very strongly about this. We think that whoever is found responsible for this should pay the ultimate price.

If any country is found responsible, that country should be destroyed.
If it is a terrorist organization, it should be destroyed.

We pray for the innocent civilians that are the victims of this attack.
May God bless and be with you all.

If you decide to comment against us and side with the terrorists, remember Pearl Harbor. Many more innocent civilians died today.

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Some email we received this morning:

The most shocking of all...
Email this guy and tell him how you feel.

mohamad alhamadi - bushhab11@hotmail.com
I'm sooooo happy because The World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked and I wish that all USA to be bombed ............... and to be Attacked

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Bill Taitt - bltaitt@cs.com:
My wife was late for work today at her World Trade Center Job, she was walking through the door when the tragedy occurred and was able to escape harm. We are thankful.

Your presence of mind to communicate your concern for those less fortunate speaks volumes about your orginization. Thank you.

Bill Taitt

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BabyJaytr@aol.com:
My friends were in that building =( I'm trapped here.. and pray for us.
CoffeeCup:
Where are you trapped?
BabyJaytr@aol.com:
In the city... everything is closed... no thank God, i am not in the WTC.. my friends were. =(
CoffeeCup:
is there anything we can do?
BabyJaytr@aol.com:
yes we need prayers =((((((

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Alan Chapman - AC@ABC-EXTRA.CO.UK:
We are watching the TV here in London UK. Our hearts go out to you and all your countrymen.

God Bless America
Alan

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Colin Grainger - cg@webwerks.co.uk:
I presume you are in the US - I don't know. I am in Ireland and was over in your country in NY and Washinton last summer. I am so shocked by what I'm watching on the news I can't think of what to say except we are all thinking and praying for you.

Colin Grainger

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Bogdan Trandafair - btrandafir@kappa.ro:
we hear that, and we can see that live on CNN and our TV channels... all us support from Romania, about responsible of this attacks was found, we agree, must be destroyed.

Bogdan

{NIRMANI}

09-11-2001, 02:26 PM

Dont blame the kids celebrating in the streets in Palestine; Think who has put them in such in-human acts; Thats the question what really matters to me if you want to avoid this type of tragedies.

Pls donate blood for the people in washington & NY

JayC

09-11-2001, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by WebSnail.net
Hmm... worth keeping an open mind on this...

I saw a bunch of kids and a few people "playing" for the camera.

You have to consider that a lot of these people have wanted to get on with their lives and whilst I can't comment on the politics involved I would say that perhaps if you were just trying to get on with your life and Israel is sending in rockets and shells to blow the crap out of you on a next to daily basis (plus all the history involved) then you'd probably not have any great love of America either.Exactly. Don't lose track of the context of that picture. This isn't a "third world country" that should owe us for helping them after past disasters; this is a people that have been involved in bloody battle with a close ally of the US for years.

Here's an analogy: let's say that during World War II an unknown country had hijacked planes and destroyed a couple of key buildings in Berlin... do you think Americans would not have cheered?

Such distant cheering is not the problem, any more than distant sympathies -- however much appreciated -- are the solutions. The blame should be directed at those individuals who commit acts of violence, and those who enable, assist, or protect them.

WreckRman2

09-11-2001, 02:27 PM

I have been watching this since it first began and no planes have been shot down...

The plane that went down in PA has been thought to have been aimed at the White House.

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by JayC
. . . . . .Don't lose track of the context of that picture.. . . . . . .To me, it looked like kids overjoyed to be getting something sweet to eat.

JayC

09-11-2001, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by WreckRman2
The plane that went down in PA has been thought to have been aimed at the White House. There's no way of knowing where it was going. The plane was identified as having been hijacked, and was heading in the general direction of Washington, then less than 20 minutes away. As a precaution officials began evacuating key buildings in Washington, including the White House and the Capitol, but the plane was too far away to know what might have happened.

multipleimage

09-11-2001, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by WreckRman2
I have been watching this since it first began and no planes have been shot down...

The plane that went down in PA has been thought to have been aimed at the White House.

Are you sure it wasnt shot down?

JKLIVIN

09-11-2001, 02:54 PM

This in certainly a tragedy, the repercussions are extremely scary. This is just sickening, I hope the culprits rot in hell.

WreckRman2

09-11-2001, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by multipleimage

Are you sure it wasnt shot down?

I have watched MSNBC since this began and never have they mentioned that any plane had been shot down.

creid

09-11-2001, 03:07 PM

This is very bad to see. I am extremly sadined about this. :( I Hope the US finds the people who did this horible thing.

Craig

09-11-2001, 03:08 PM

Well - the govenment being the "superpower" of the country, they can effectivly do whatever they want - given the circumstances.

As for the kids, i was going off the TV footage of around 10k of palestinons in the street dancing about and all..
The link was for the ones without access to bbc news 24.

Its just rather disturbing all of this.. i really do not know how to take it.

We got some emails today asking if the actions today would "affect their service"
That was a real eye opener. People are dieing and they are bothered about thier website

Craig

jimb

09-11-2001, 03:16 PM

I live 20 minutes from the Pentagon, and when this happened, we were all told to stay home, and leave our jobs. Its really bad, cant believe anyone would do something like this.

this means war....

jim

WebSnail.net

09-11-2001, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
We would like to also say on record that if any country
is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that
country's complete destruction and annihilation.

(snip)

-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make.

My thought at this point is consider that if this was a religiously motivated attack that CoffeeCup have pretty much summed up the total lack of logic involved in this whole messy situation.

Basically, a WHOLE country cannot be responsible for the attack today or in any time in the past. If you "annihilate" such a country then yet more "innocent civilians" will die.

And as far as having "Gods" blessing... Well those people who flew those planes into those buildings believed they had that blessing also.

... and so the circle continues.

Please think

...otherwise we really don't deserve to exist under the term "civilisation".

Craig

09-11-2001, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by jimb

this means war....
jim

that is the last thing we all want.

reflexhost.com

09-11-2001, 03:33 PM

World War would be disastorous. If it went nuclear, with China involved, we are all dead.

Eagle

09-11-2001, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by reflexhost.com
World War would be disastorous. If it went nuclear, with China involved, we are all dead.

hmm could you please elaborate?

XTStrike

09-11-2001, 03:37 PM

luckily something of huge proportions would have to happen for this to go nuclear, and i dont just mean the WTC being destroyed, i mean major, major.

all countries capable of nuclear power are committed to NOT use the capability, afterall they know the whole world would be wiped out should that happen...

jimb

09-11-2001, 03:41 PM

What makes me made is that people on the WEST BANK in the Middle EAST are rejoicing that the bombings took place!! The little son of a b!t$hs. I was watching them on TV, I wish I could go down there right now and.....

If it turns out a country does claim to be involved....I will be one of the first to enlist in the army

YES!, THIS DOES MEAN WAR!!!!

jim

JayC

09-11-2001, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by jimb
this means war....Well then... war against whom? Come on, we still have no idea who is behind this. If, as most speculation seems to be in favor of, it was Osami bin Ladin, still... war against whom? He represents no country's government. The Taliban have given him asylum, so are they to be held responsible? Should innocent citizens of Afghanistan be killed in retribution for acts their religious leaders may have only a vague connection to?

Without a doubt, this is nothing less than an act of mass murder, and must carry consequences -- but for the individuals involved, not just for anyone who might get in the way of a vengeful wrath.

jimb

09-11-2001, 03:54 PM

I guess you guys are right....I shouldnt go pointing fingers at people....we will have to wait and see.

Jim

nox

09-11-2001, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by jimb
What makes me made is that people on the WEST BANK in the Middle EAST are rejoicing that the bombings took place!! The little son of a b!t$hs. I was watching them on TV, I wish I could go down there right now and.....

If it turns out a country does claim to be involved....I will be one of the first to enlist in the army

YES!, THIS DOES MEAN WAR!!!!

jim

The actual number of people who make decisions to perpetrate acts of terrorism are very small, and while I would also rally without hesitation to defend my country, it is important that those cheering people be seen in perspective...

If you were constantly fed information, that you believed, that a particular country or group of people were responsible for your own misery, you would also cheer when those people were hammered..

It's the scum that orchestrate the whole thing, not the children and innocents they exploit like this, that you should want to deal with.. propaganda is a powerful tool everywhere, don't get sidetracked by their's..

{NIRMANI}

09-11-2001, 04:01 PM

It is very sad to few racist comments here; dont why moderators are silent over that (???????)

Few months ago Afganistan government destroyed world's tallest statue of lord Buddha; Sri Lanka is a country which has Buddhism as its official religion. I'm a Theravada Buddhist also. We didnt claim to kill every afganistani nor we wanted to do anything against the muslim people living in our own land. All we said is that it's a terrorist act of the part of afgan government; We protested against that but never wanted to kill anybody.

Why dont we think any further that why those kids behaved like that? It is all of us who have put them into that position. Why cant we understand that simple fact? I'm strictly against capital punishment & violence against children. No human should think about killing another human; If he does then he should be not a human but an animal

Please moderators we need you here; I simply cant understand your silence (????????)

Craig

09-11-2001, 04:03 PM

Well i think that we should just pray for the familys that have lost - at the moment and not point the fingers or get too drastic.
the last thing we want is a war to break out, but again, how? we dont know whos behind it yet.
its alll pure speculation.. which is just rumors.

Im just in hope that bush does not have an itchy trigger finger.

Lets hope this is the last of the bombings - i know there will be more but i think the people of america have suffered enough for one day.

I dont want to goto war, the things im more worried about are things such as the economy - this is really going to bugger an already fragile shell.

Again, my wishes and prays are with the people of america and all those who have lost during this disaster.

Craig

mahinder

09-11-2001, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by JayC
Well then... war against whom? Come on, we still have no idea who is behind this. If, as most speculation seems to be in favor of, it was Osami bin Ladin, still... war against whom

This should be the war against terrorism and those who support it. LIKE PAKISTAN.

In 1992 Pakistan agency ISI and many other militant organizations conducted multiple bomb blast in Bombay (as i remember those were more then 25) at the same time including Bombay stock exchange. I remember the day when all of us was very shocked and worried about our dear ones. The Bombay was burning and i lost lots of friends and relatives.

Today also PAKISTAN is supporting many militant organizations around the world. :angry:

Lonny

09-11-2001, 04:07 PM

I wonder if this tragedy will have any affect on what is happening in the middle east.....

Synergy

09-11-2001, 04:12 PM

If the Palestinians really did it, then their skies shall be darken and death to all their citizens!

Have they thought about our the life of our citizens? I guess not. There is a old chinese saying:
Recieve a punch today and return a punch tommorow 10 times worst.

Craig

09-11-2001, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by FindSP.Com
I wonder if this tragedy will have any affect on what is happening in the middle east.....

I would think that they will have alot more involvment from now on..

{NIRMANI}

09-11-2001, 04:15 PM

Hey Mahinder,

Do you want to name Pakistan as a terrorist country an put sanctions on them & to see people suffering without food & medicine? Is that going to stop killings?

Please use what is inside your head properly; If you are a Pakistani do you like to see your kids die not getting proper medicine?

This is all about power, western politics, capitalism & poverty; It is a terrible truth we all must think about

JayC

09-11-2001, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by mahinder

This should be the war against terrorism and those who support it. Would that it were so simple. The coutries of the world, as the events of a couple of weeks ago illustrate, can't even have a constructive discussion and come to an agreement about human rights, let alone define what is terrorism or who is a terrorist.

The world media illustrate the point: those fighting on the sides of some causes are referred to as "terrorists," while others are "guerillas," and still others "freedom fighters."

I strongly feel that any combatant in any struggle who willfully or recklessly kills civilian noncombatants is simply a murderer. Sadly, throughout history it's been rare for any cause to have been fought without those fighting deciding that their victory is important enough to be worth some number of innocent lives.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Synergy
If the Palestinians really did it, then their skies shall be darken and death to all their citizens!

Have they thought about our the life of our citizens? I guess not. There is a old chinese saying:
Recieve a punch today and return a punch tommorow 10 times worst.

You can not kill everybody because of mistake of some people. Ofcourse those militant orgnizations must be sued but if something like this happen then it may lead to very big disaster.

Palm

09-11-2001, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Webdude
Here we go, Palenstine just admitted the attacks...war it is...

America is not going to war with them.
Since they are so "democratic" they have to set an exampe.
Sad.

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

mahinder

09-11-2001, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by {NIRMANI}
Hey Mahinder,

Do you want to name Pakistan as a terrorist country an put sanctions on them & to see people suffering without food & medicine? Is that going to stop killings?

Please use what is inside your head properly; If you are a Pakistani do you like to see your kids die not getting proper medicine?

This is all about power, western politics, capitalism & poverty; It is a terrible truth we all must think about

so will you support those people who kill your brothers and family members. who create the atmospheres of fear around the world.

I don't say put sanction on PAKISTAN but why they support AFGHANISTAN and many other militant organizations ?. Did you have any knowledge of how many Indian military officials and civilians get killed in India because of PAKISTANI military and terrorist attacks.

What do you think who support UAKUB ARAFAK and Afghanistan MILTON it is PAKISTAN who supports them and deny it before media.

Think on it and then reply.

jimb

09-11-2001, 04:26 PM

I think its safe to say that this post is getting out of hand....

jim

{NIRMANI}

09-11-2001, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Palm

America is not going to war with them.
Since they are so "democratic" they have to set an exampe.
Sad.

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Those attitudes are as dangerous as the terrorism; Terrorism can destroy two tall buildings & 40000 people, but these attitudes can thousands of those buildings & millions of people living & yet to born;

You are showing your own emptyness to the world

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Webdude

09-11-2001, 04:29 PM

First off let me explain something. No American pilot would have done what these planes did. He is not going to do what the terrorist want because he knows that either way, he will die along with his passengers. Not only were the planes hijacked, the pilot positions were taken over by them.

The plane that went down.....it was not shot down. I believe that by this time, the pilot had already heard the news on the flight's channel. When the pilot saw his plane was one about to be hijacked, he chose to down the plane instead of let another incident like the towers happen. I think the pilot made a choice between the lives of 200 people versus and unknown number... such as the Whitehouse or another populated civilian facility such as the towers..

Those of you saying it was shot down, I dont think you are giving the pilot's their due credit. They probably had a tough decision to make, and made it..

..As for wiping out a country. The United States would not do that, we would however wipe out their military and Government. Yes terrorist represent no country, but some countries provide asylum to them. Those are who we will declare war on. If we dont, it leaves us open to more and more terrorism. If we dont, then other countries will know they have nothing to fear by giving terrorists a home. If we dont, then these other countries can provide secret support to terrorists while openly denying their agreement to terrorism...and know that no justice will come to them.

As for the Buddist statue spoken of earlier. We really dont care about the buildings, we care about the lives lost in it. If they had blown up Miss Liberty, we would simply have rebuilt her, as well as we will the buildings. Unfortunatly, lives have been shattered and lost. Those things cannot be replaced like a statue or building can.

As in all wars, we harm as few civilians as possible. However, in this case, at least one government and their military will soon no longer exist. Other countries will learn that if we cannot get even with the terrorists, we will get even with the governments that offer them sanctiuary and storage for their weapons. If we do this, these countries will be afraid to harbor these terrorists any longer..

Sorry, but the American hand has been forced, and if we dont take swift and harsh military action in this manner, things will only get worse for us. We have to make sure terrorists have no home.

JayC

09-11-2001, 04:32 PM

Here we go, Palenstine just admitted the attacks...war it is... Before the rumor mill winds up again, everything I've seen and heard today agrees that the three major Palestinian military organizations -- Hamas, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and Islamic Jihad -- have all denied connection to the attacks.

Webdude posted that about four and a half hours ago, but I still haven't heard it from any news source.

That doesn't mean they aren't behind it, just that as far as I know they haven't admitted it -- and no one right now has any idea who to blame.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 04:32 PM

just watching cnn live video. they are showing how the building is crashing. there video person is right bellow the building when building is collapsing. this is really scary. look like and Hollywood film comes into reality. :(

{NIRMANI}

09-11-2001, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by mahinder

so will you support those people who kill your brothers and family members. who create the atmospheres of fear around the world.

I don't say put sanction on PAKISTAN but why they support AFGHANISTAN and many other militant organizations ?. Did you have any knowledge of how many Indian military officials and civilians get killed in India because of PAKISTANI military and terrorist attacks.

What do you think who support UAKUB ARAFAK and Afghanistan MILTON it is PAKISTAN who supports them and deny it before media.

Think on it and then reply.

Who is supporting terrorism? Pakistan Govt? People? The land? The unborns?

I hate terrorism; No doubt about that; As a Sri Lankan I know enough & have expereinced enough the terrorism in our own country. (The same terrorists who killed Rajiv Gandhi) What I'm questioning is are we doing right things to avoid the terrorism?

My argument is NO; infact what we are doing is promoting it.

Please try to understand that simple fact

MCHost-Marc

09-11-2001, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by {NIRMANI}

Those attitudes are as dangerous as the terrorism; Terrorism can destroy two tall buildings & 40000 people, but these attitudes can thousands of those buildings & millions of people living & yet to born

I agree with that, but i personally think that if nothing is done against it - these attacks will happen again and again - its time to end this.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by {NIRMANI}

Who is supporting terrorism? Pakistan Govt? People? The land? The unborns?

.

cimshimy

09-11-2001, 04:40 PM

It is not cool when several classmates leave early to go home and wait to see if their parents were evacuated or if they died.

JayC

09-11-2001, 04:42 PM

PERL SCRIPTOR

09-11-2001, 04:46 PM

Don't know if you guys got this news but two airliners from European countries, I can't remember which country were forced by 3 CF-18's to land in the Yukon. One was a cargo plane and the other a passenger. The passenger plane is not confirmed but is being treated as a highjacked plane by the RCMP. All of Canada is on alert which includes our offshore natural gas rig and the army may be called in to guard the oil plants in Alberta. I'm in Canada and this is personally really scary because who knows where this will all end up.

edude

09-11-2001, 04:51 PM

Well what goes around comes around. It had to happen sometime, i guess Bush wasn't so prepared.

mkaufman

09-11-2001, 05:03 PM

We have friends in Pennsylvania (actually where I live still, but..) their house is about 5 miles from where that plane went down.

edude

09-11-2001, 05:04 PM

I have servers in Pennslyvania, i haven't seen Jbiz718 online... Hopefully nothing happened to my servers!

microsol

09-11-2001, 05:05 PM

What do we know REALLY? Isn't it really strange that we ALWAYS see the same pictures 7 hours right now? What's about CNN? They deliver images instantly from ANY country in the world if something happens. But like i said, i am 7 hours following this story, searching for more details on the net and on any TV channel i can get on the satellite TV. There're really NO news coming around, not even from CNN. Over and over the same pictures on every fu$$ing TV channel!!! Why?
I agree that the Pennsylvania pilot prevented a major disaster crashing his plane to the ground even before the terrorists had the chance to take his plane over.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by JayC
, . . .will do little to promote sensible debate or to find real solutions.

dear JayC,

i agree i become little bit emotional because i just gone in thoughts of my friends and relatives whom i lost in bomb blasts. however i edited the post and made it nill within seconds because i relize that i should not pass such comments i wonder how you catch that post. there fore i request you to please remove the quotes.

Also you are right this will not solve the problem but i will be glad if there will be less terrorism in my country.

Honu

09-11-2001, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by JayC

Here's an analogy: let's say that during World War II an unknown country had hijacked planes and destroyed a couple of key buildings in Berlin... do you think Americans would not have cheered?

Aloha
I understand your idea about distant cheering but Hitler was trying to eradicate a complete religion, Race and culture ?
the world trade center people were just going about there lives
and durring this time ther was a world war going on
I am sure you did not mean your point quite like that ??
but just wanted to give my thoughts.

I am afraid of the attack on Pentagon the army is not going to like being picked on and are going to retaliate very hard I feel
it is in no way trying to say the world trade center attack is less but the pentagon attack is going to make the gov strike back very hard I feel.

edude

09-11-2001, 05:09 PM

Amazing, when Clinton was in control, there was no terrorisim issue this big. Get RID OF BUSH! Peace will come when bush doesn't involve his small ego in the rest of the world.

Originally posted by mahinder

dear JayC,

i agree i become little bit emotional because i just gone in thoughts of my friends and relatives whom i lost in bomb blasts. however i edited the post and made it nill within seconds because i relize that i should not pass such comments i wonder how you catch that post. there fore i request you to please remove the quotes.

Also you are right this will not solve the problem but i will be glad if there will be less terrorism in my country.

jimb

09-11-2001, 05:13 PM

Does anyone know of any Web Hosting Companies that located there NOC/Data Centers/Offices in the WTC or surrounding buildings?

I know NYI.NET has been evacuated....anyone else?

Jim

acetate

09-11-2001, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Hostexp
I have servers in Pennslyvania, i haven't seen Jbiz718 online... Hopefully nothing happened to my servers!

Uhh... you're worrying about your servers?? heck..Traffics been slow today on my site but I'm not worrying about making a sale...Geez..

edude

09-11-2001, 05:15 PM

Webreseller.net / Verio

edude

09-11-2001, 05:17 PM

Yes i am, when iraqis where bombed and killed i remember everyone watching it on televisions like it was a movie.

Originally posted by acetate

Uhh... you're worrying about your servers?? heck..Traffics been slow today on my site but I'm not worrying about making a sale...Geez..

Honu

09-11-2001, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Webdude

The plane that went down.....it was not shot down. I believe that by this time, the pilot had already heard the news on the flight's channel. When the pilot saw his plane was one about to be hijacked, he chose to down the plane instead of let another incident like the towers happen. I think the pilot made a choice between the lives of 200 people versus and unknown number... such as the Whitehouse or another populated civilian facility such as the towers..

Aloha
a thought here
I have to disagree that a pilot would not willingly kill himself and crew and passengers on the assumption that they were to be next ???
my dad is a retired United captain and was on two flights through his career that had bomb threats one that they were going to detinate it when they got close to the airport to kill as many as they could.
sad to say the pilots were most likely shot or killed and someone else was flying they could have managed to be shot and were alive long enough to get the plane into a unrecoverable position
this is my thought so in a way the pilot saved the plane from going into a dense population area or target and saved more lives after the hijack had started.

again all my heart goes out to all that are touched by this tragedy.

Webdude

09-11-2001, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by JayC
Before the rumor mill winds up again, everything I've seen and heard today agrees that the three major Palestinian military organizations -- Hamas, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and Islamic Jihad -- have all denied connection to the attacks.

Webdude posted that about four and a half hours ago, but I still haven't heard it from any news source.

That doesn't mean they aren't behind it, just that as far as I know they haven't admitted it -- and no one right now has any idea who to blame.

Well come to find out, a group there did take the credit, but it isnt being taken seriously. Evidently the group lacks the resources to pull something like this off. But then, how much resource does it actually take? Enough money for a few tickets and a bit of coordination? They didnt have gins on the planes, merely knives and boxcutters..

acetate

09-11-2001, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Hostexp
Yes i am, when iraqis where bombed and killed i remember everyone watching it on televisions like it was a movie, i careless about what happened today.

Ok.. I guess so.. I have nothing to say.. This is sad.. Your own country is been threaten..And you can care less?? Oh well..

mahinder

09-11-2001, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Honu

Aloha
a thought here
I have to disagree that a pilot would not willingly kill himself and crew and passengers on the assumption that they were to be next ???
my dad is a retired United captain and was on two flights through his career that had bomb threats one that they were going to detinate it when they got close to the airport to kill as many as they could.
sad to say the pilots were most likely shot or killed and someone else was flying they could have managed to be shot and were alive long enough to get the plane into a unrecoverable position
this is my thought so in a way the pilot saved the plane from going into a dense population area or target and saved more lives after the hijack had started.

again all my heart goes out to all that are touched by this tragedy.

i agree with Honu. Poliet will not do this at any cost. He must have been killed and somebody else was flying.

edude

09-11-2001, 05:24 PM

I feel sorry for the famlies involved but not for the government. Also i'm not from the U.S.

Originally posted by acetate

Ok.. I guess so.. I have nothing to say.. This is sad.. Your own country is been threaten..And you can care less?? Oh well..

mahinder

09-11-2001, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by acetate

Ok.. I guess so.. I have nothing to say.. This is sad.. Your own country is been threaten..And you can care less?? Oh well..

i don't comment on what he said, but there is little bit truth. when attack was happen on iraqis it was like movie seens running on BBC channel and that time i was kid.

Very sad why people do such things. :( :confused:

Honu

09-11-2001, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Hostexp
Amazing, when Clinton was in control, there was no terrorisim issue this big. Get RID OF BUSH! Peace will come when bush doesn't involve his small ego in the rest of the world.

Aloha
hmmm one word Oklahoma

it is not the presidents fault completely
remmber back to the Reagan era for those that can ;)
and you will realize that there were very few terorist attacks durring his roll after he went into afghan land ???
and the fact that was a bad terrorist time

I was living in central america for a year about 7 years ago military was all over the airports I am afraid that they are going to have to start having that kind of security

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Webdude
. . . . . . But then, how much resource does it actually take? Enough money for a few tickets and a bit of coordination? They didnt have gins on the planes, merely knives and boxcutters.. This was a well thought out, deliberate, highly sophisticated attack.
I cannot belive that the original pilots of those plans would deliberately fly them straight into those buildings; even if they had a gun at their temple.
Also, with airport security, it is highly unlikely that highjackers on all four planes managed to smuggle aboard knives, guns, and boxcutters.
Therefore, one has to assume that this was a well financed terrorist act.

UNIXIELHOST

09-11-2001, 05:33 PM

NBC News just announced 3rd building 20-story building just collopsed.

Meaning so far maybe at least 6 attacks so far

I was driving on road pass by airport, I can see all loads of FBI, Police, Sercet Service Agents carrying Bush back to the plane and take it off.

It was amazing how rush it happened

I will never forget this event, ever. It is scary, really.

May god be with these people :(

Matthew_J

09-11-2001, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Hostexp
Amazing, when Clinton was in control, there was no terrorisim issue this big. Get RID OF BUSH! Peace will come when bush doesn't involve his small ego in the rest of the world.

Um.... It is not Bush's fault. The terrorist just wern't ready to go out with their plan durning the Clintion time. They were working on their plans when Clintion was President. I don't think the terrorist really care who is President and I don't think that Presidents themselves can do much about terrrorisim cause even if they kill all the leaders there will still be other people that will take over their job.

Honu

09-11-2001, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
This was a well thought out, deliberate, highly sophisticated attack.
I cannot belive that the original pilots of those plans would deliberately fly them straight into those buildings; even if they had a gun at their temple.
Also, with airport security, it is highly unlikely that highjackers on all four planes managed to smuggle aboard knives, guns, and boxcutters.
Therefore, one has to assume that this was a well financed terrorist act.

Aloha
very true although the weapons could get on board way to easy
through the ramp agents or many of the FBO's that operate to service planes.
these people could have been in place for years and working so kow one would have thought any thing dif.
the ramp security is very poor and is the weak link in the chain of stopping this.
I do agree it takes money to do this kind of stuff.
argghghhhhhh

had to go to the doctors today (hurt my knee last week)
funny they took my blood pressure and they were like
wow your blood pressure is way up seems most people that were in today had a way higher blood pressure ???
just a interesting side thought.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
This was a well thought out, deliberate, highly sophisticated attack.
I cannot belive that the original pilots of those plans would deliberately fly them straight into those buildings; even if they had a gun at their temple.
Also, with airport security, it is highly unlikely that highjackers on all four planes managed to smuggle aboard knives, guns, and boxcutters.
Therefore, one has to assume that this was a well financed terrorist act.

you are right. but can you imagine number of people invovled in this and inteligence failure in america defence. on CNN they say it was well planned attack and they may be doing practice for this attack from several months. Actually some news agancies on TV claim that US official got warnings of possible attack but they may not took this seriously.

Craig

09-11-2001, 05:38 PM

How exactly can you prepair for something like this hostxp?
I never forsaw planes being hijacked then flying them into buildings!

Its hardly bush's fault.

You can have anti-air craft guns on the top of each sky scraper.

Also - the buildings are not made to take a an airplane hitting them with a full complement of fuel at a few hundred miles per hour.

akashik

09-11-2001, 05:39 PM

I find it a little disturbing that a few people seem to be more concerned about politics (and webservers of all things), when we've all just seen several thousand people killed on national television.....

Greg Moore

Matthew_J

09-11-2001, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by mahinder

you are right. but can you imagine number of people invovled in this and inteligence failure in america defence. on CNN they say it was well planned attack and they may be doing practice for this attack from several months.

Or years

JayC

09-11-2001, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by josephp
NBC News just announced 3rd building 20-story building just collopsed.

Meaning so far maybe at least 6 attacks so far.I believe that's a building adjacent to the WTC, damaged by the fire and debris there. So it's not a separate attack.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 05:42 PM

MODERATORS will not be able to control this thread since it is growing with 1 post every minute.

I think this is the most fastest gorwing thread at WHT. I think mods are not available at this moment and when they will see this post they will be shocked by its number. :D

Honu

09-11-2001, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Craig
How exactly can you prepair for something like this hostxp?
I never forsaw planes being hijacked then flying them into buildings!

Its hardly bush's fault.

You can have anti-air craft guns on the top of each sky scraper.

Also - the buildings are not made to take a an airplane hitting them with a full complement of fuel at a few hundred miles per hour.

Aloha
actually they said the building was designed to have a direct hit by a plane as large as a 707 and they told people that all the time.

the planes that hit were over the size of a 707 all were widebodies that were hijacked.

edude

09-11-2001, 05:45 PM

I understand and respect your point Greg, my condolences goes to the injured and families of the dead.

Regards,
HostEXP

Originally posted by akashik
I find it a little disturbing that a few people seem to be more concerned about politics (and webservers of all things), when we've all just seen several thousand people killed on national television.....

Greg Moore

mahinder

09-11-2001, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Hostexp
hmm, no one was concerned when millions of iraqis where killed with uranium depleted weapons. What about retreating iraqi soldiers ordered to be shot by the us presidency in 1990. This is what hurts me most, they were people as well. Everyone seeme'd to be watching there televisions like it was a movie or so. Also Bush shouldn't try to make so many enemies in the Mid East.

Regards,
HostEXP

that was fine but they did not target civilians. they just wanted to destroy those factories who was in process to build biological weapons which was going to be transported in US and all around the world. Wouldn't that be too much loss if they was sucessfull in there motos. ?

akashik

09-11-2001, 05:49 PM

I wouldn't say 'no-one'. I know I'm pretty disappointed when people die whether by war or terrorism - no matter which side of the world they are on....

Greg Moore

madmatty

09-11-2001, 05:55 PM

My condolences to all those affect buy this very stupid act. One reason I hate religon. Bloody religious fanatics.

cimshimy

09-11-2001, 05:59 PM

anyone remember how this was the columbine kids' plans? to hijack a plane and crash it into nyc.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:zGOIxFkAnDk:www-tech.mit.edu/V119/N22/littleton.22w.html+&hl=en

the google cache loads faster than the page.

JayC

09-11-2001, 06:03 PM

Explosions, aircraft, antiaircraft tracers, and gunfire now occuring in Kabul, Afghanistan...

Nicholas Brown

09-11-2001, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by JayC
Explosions, aircraft, antiaircraft tracers, and gunfire now occuring in Kabul, Afghanistan...

Yes, Im watching CNN now from the UK with Nic Robertson and his Video Link.

UmBillyCord

09-11-2001, 06:11 PM

Yes i am, when iraqis where bombed and killed i remember everyone watching it on televisions like it was a movie, i careless about what happened today.

hmm, no one was concerned when millions of iraqis where killed with uranium depleted weapons. What about retreating iraqi soldiers ordered to be shot by the us presidency in 1990.

Hostexp, <EDIT> I would love to me you.

Your first quote, I am going to save. And every single person who post about you I will PM showing your utter disregard for loss of life. <EDIT>.

Your second quote. That was war. Also, <EDIT> you would also believe whatever you are told. Including brain washing.

I feel sorry for any loss of life, *regardless* of who it is. In time of tragedy, and loss of life, if you don't care, <EDIT>

JayC

09-11-2001, 06:16 PM

Of course, as CNN has pointed out, there's been civil war going on in Afghanistan and the activity in Kabul may be related to that, and may not actually be connected to the attacks in the US.

Bogdan

09-11-2001, 06:23 PM

It's just impossible to believe this.

Many of my friends and relatives work in the city. :(

I live in Brooklyn, and I still see clouds of smoke.

My friend works accross the street from towers. After the explosion they all ran down the street, and he saw people jumping out of the windows... :bawling:

I still can't belive this. :eek:

edude

09-11-2001, 06:29 PM

Very mature, shows your depth of maturity. Thats all i can say, however i did say i was sorry for the families involved. Please read the facts before you post.

Thanks,
HostEXP

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

Hostexp, <EDIT> I would love to me you.

Your first quote, I am going to save. And every single person who post about you I will PM showing your utter disregard for loss of life. <EDIT>.

Your second quote. That was war. Also, <EDIT> you would also believe whatever you are told. Including brain washing.

I feel sorry for any loss of life, *regardless* of who it is. In time of tragedy, and loss of life, if you don't care, <EDIT>

JTY

09-11-2001, 06:31 PM

It's sickening to say the least.....

Those who are responsible for this should rot in hell!

Cyberpunk

09-11-2001, 06:36 PM

I dont know what to say, I hope that as many people as possible survive.

This sort of thing is facored for in tower designs but no one can be certain, unfortunately those planes still had a high fuel load and who knows what else on board.

Terrorism must be wiped out, by whatever means necessary, we in the UK lived for years not knowing where the next bomb might go off and no one should have to live like that.

I hope those of you with friends and family there all see them again, a friend of mines brother was supposed to be visiting WTC today, I hope he didnt.

The police in the UK are on maximum alert as are the military.

Personally speaking I wish I could do more to help, rather than just sitting here! :angry:

Chicken

09-11-2001, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by mahinder
MODERATORS will not be able to control this thread since it is growing with 1 post every minute.

I think this is the most fastest gorwing thread at WHT. I think mods are not available at this moment and when they will see this post they will be shocked by its number. :D

I just got in, and truthfully, controlling this thread is just about the last thing on my mind. I hope you all can understand that, and discuss this incident peacefully, with intelligence and respect for others.

We've received numerous reports about this thread, but I feel the best thing to do is to share your opinions. Keep in mind some people might be a bit irrational due to the nature of this, and emotions are running high.

It doesn't excuse you, but it would be helpful if everyone was a bit more understanding.

No one has to care about this, though I personally do, and that's just me. I don't think anyone should be flamed for their apathy, it is their opinion.

Again, this thread is the least of my concerns at the moment, and again I ask you to understand and be respectful of eachother and discuss it with understanding.

Thank you.

edude

09-11-2001, 06:38 PM

I don't really think there will be any threats to the U.K , its over.

WingZero

09-11-2001, 06:45 PM

My god, this is horrible. I live in NY too....
So far, they estimate over 10,000 casualties...

edude

09-11-2001, 06:48 PM

Who do you think is behind this? Its just nice to see everyones point of view and who they think is reponsible?

Chicken

09-11-2001, 06:51 PM

I don't think anyone knows that. If they did, there would be air strikes, etc. So far I've not heard anything on this, other than they don't know and due to the nature of this, I don't think it is even fair to guess who might be responsible.

node9

09-11-2001, 06:53 PM

well
I hang out on an irc channel, well it's my channel as a matter of fact.. everyone in there, are my freinds... they are all REGULARS of the channel, just like being a regular @ wht...
we are all friends
we all know each other

and everyone in there is obsessing over this whole thing

I recorded what I had to say about this whole thing, and if anyone wants to hear it
click here
www.drirc.net/wtc/pwt.mp3

or goto www.drirc.net/wtc/

note: anything I said, in the MP3, WAS MEANT SPECIFICALLY for them....."People are arguing, people are saying the dumbest things" ---- i am not talking about anyone but the people IN my channel, so please dont take offense

=)

partition2

09-11-2001, 06:58 PM

cannot connect to servers hostet on VDI network. Are there servers at NY or near there?

Thanks

Webdude

09-11-2001, 07:05 PM

Some points to consider....

1) Could the bombing in Afganistan be us?
2) All planes were ground ASAP. They will continue on to their destinations tomorrow. Are we absolutely sure there are no more terrorists aboard...hence, is it truly over?

By the way, there a lot of Pakistanian operated businesses here around Houston, mostly gas stations. Satations that never close, even on Christmas.....they were securely locked up today. If I were Pakistanion, I would have done the same thing. We have to be sure though, that even if we find Pakistanians were involved, that we do not take it out on our "American Loyal Pakistanions" here in the U.S. like we did to the Japanese..

microsol

09-11-2001, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Chicken
I don't think anyone knows that. If they did, there would be air strikes, etc. So far I've not heard anything on this, other than they don't know and due to the nature of this, I don't think it is even fair to guess who might be responsible.

They're talking already about US enemy Nº1 (this is not officially, just rumours): http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Wouldn't be abig suprise if this sucker is behind all this.

Chicken

09-11-2001, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by partition2
cannot connect to servers hostet on VDI network. Are there servers at NY or near there?

Located in New Jersey, relatively close to the area.

Chicken

09-11-2001, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by microsol
They're talking already about US enemy Nº1 (this is not officially, just rumours): http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Wouldn't be abig suprise if this sucker is behind all this.

I'd say he's certainly a suspect, and this may be a 2nd attempt on the building after the bombings failed.

madmatty

09-11-2001, 07:16 PM

I've read reports that the US has denined any attacks anywhere in retaliation to this. Not yet at least. I could trace to vdi.net so it seems to be working still, not that I care about that at the moment.

Cyberpunk

09-11-2001, 07:18 PM

`The World Trade Center should, because of its importance, become a living representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual dignity, his belief in the cooperation of men, and through this cooperation his ability to find greatness.' > Minoru Yamasaki > Architect of WTC

I've been doing some checking, the building had a central loadbearing steel and concrete core which took almost the full gravitational load of the building, this is where the exit stairs would have been. It's my thinking that even the impact of the plane should not have fully penetrated this, so it's my hope that most of the people in the upper floors had a clear exit route, shielded from the fires.

I hope this is the case because that means the majority of the people in the building would have had time to get out, including the ones above the fires and damage.

I hope so.

Jeff Rambo

09-11-2001, 07:23 PM

If any of you are trying to monitor todays events and experience flooded news sites, please visit <EDIT> as we have been running smoothly all day and we've dedicated our main page news area to full coverage of the events.

Secondly, please do not take citizen reporting into your own hands. Passing out information as being fact in regards to such events is very dangerous. The wrong person can hear these things and it can easily present impact on the emotions of a person. Leave it to those of us who are trained in the areas of journalism and/or military affairs.

Take care and stay out of harms way.

Frosty

09-11-2001, 07:28 PM

Why the hell don`t pilots at least carry some mase with them? At least then they could`ve sprayed those sick men (hijackers) in the face with it and defended themselves better.

Jeff Rambo

09-11-2001, 07:34 PM

While I am not defending the actions of these heartless individuals -- terrorists -- you must realize that these people are not common thugs off the street. They are trained "professionals" in their own right and hijacking commercial airliners with knives and boxcutters speaks volumes for their skill alone. These acts were an insult to our people and our freedom but do not begin to come up with your own conspiracy theories and "what-if's" regarding this situation. What has been done has been done and we can only look forward to the future. The future includes taking action by way of military in response to these attacks on this great nation.

mahinder

09-11-2001, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Jeff Rambo
If any of you are trying to monitor todays events and experience flooded news sites, please visit sourcerunner.com as we have been running smoothly all day and we've dedicated our main page news area to full coverage of the events.

Secondly, please do not take citizen reporting into your own hands. Passing out information as being fact in regards to such events is very dangerous. The wrong person can hear these things and it can easily present impact on the emotions of a person. Leave it to those of us who are trained in the areas of journalism and/or military affairs.

Take care and stay out of harms way.

very true. i agree with you.

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Frosty
Why the hell don`t pilots at least carry some mase with them? At least then they could`ve sprayed those sick men (hijackers) in the face with it and defended themselves better. Why don't they carry guns? Why don't they weld the cockpit door shut behind them? Why don't they have attack dogs? Why don't they train flight attendants like Green Berets? Why. . . . . . . .

node9

09-11-2001, 07:44 PM

i hear gas prices are going up now?
sorry
i'm 17 and canadian

I don't know a whole lot about the world trade center

acetate

09-11-2001, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by node9
i hear gas prices are going up now?
sorry
i'm 17 and canadian

I don't know a whole lot about the world trade center

I'm afraid it will go up.. I can't even think of what will happen during tomorrows opening of the stock market..

Webdude

09-11-2001, 07:49 PM

I hear gas will go up to an average of $4/gallon..

MCHost-Marc

09-11-2001, 07:50 PM

A guy that lives in the house besides me has been called to report to the airbase by tonight ...in Canada.

Honu

09-11-2001, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Frosty
Why the hell don`t pilots at least carry some mase with them? At least then they could`ve sprayed those sick men (hijackers) in the face with it and defended themselves better.

Aloha
some time ago a lot of pilots armed themselves
then some do gooder heard about it and deicded that pilots might go wacko and start shooting passengers ???
duuuhhhh if they were going to kill people they would down the plane ???
anyway they started having to not carry there guns as the security would not allow them

Pilots should have bullet proof wall behind them also should be trained in hand guns and be allowed to have them
the doors should be secure enough that it would be next to impossible to break in.
at least this way the pilots could control the plane
Pilots do not do what hijackers ask they will try to land the plane to safety.
tis a turn for the US that will reshape thoughts and values

creepcolony

09-11-2001, 07:53 PM

holy fudge man my school is right next to the world trade center (or was) and i was in my first period class when there was a loud BOOM! and i looked out the window and saw one of the towers on fire...and then i saw the second plane fly right into the other tower...damn yo it was scary...and i saw lotsa people jump out :( then my school smelled really bad like smoke and sulpher and we had to be evacuated :(

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Honu
. . . .the doors should be secure enough that it would be next to impossible to break in. . . . .Seems like too easy a solution.
A room noone could get into.
At least there should be a way to make it more secure; it would seem.

cperciva

09-11-2001, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Honu

the doors should be secure enough that it would be next to impossible to break in.

They are... on international flights. That is presumably why it was domestic flights which were hijacked... they wanted planes with lots of fuel, but not international flights, hence the choice of transcontinental flights.

SoftWareRevue

09-11-2001, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by cperciva

They are... on international flights. That is presumably why it was domestic flights which were hijacked... they wanted planes with lots of fuel, but not international flights, hence the choice of transcontinental flights. Well, you would think it will be the next thing to be implemented on domestic aircraft now.

cperciva

09-11-2001, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Well, you would think it will be the next thing to be implemented on domestic aircraft now.

It probably will be now. People have been complaining about the insecurity of US domestic flights for years now, but the US government always said "oh, don't worry, no terrorists would ever get into the US in order to hijack a plane".

ans_steve

09-11-2001, 08:09 PM

I m very curious what the US government gonna do next. This decision will affect the whole world. And our Prime Minister said we, Australia, will support any US military actions.
This already sound like war to me already.
:bawling:

Keeg

09-11-2001, 08:18 PM

Everytime you get a major disaster you have your morons out there trying to cash in on the publicity, outside my office there was a bomb threat at city hall closing off access to the streets.
we dont think there is anything to this but ... ya never know

Steve

Vortech

09-11-2001, 08:33 PM

Given the events that occurred today in the United States,
we feel compelled to extend our thoughts and condolences to
the families, victims, and to everyone who has been
affected by this horrible tragedy.

God Bless,

microsol

09-11-2001, 08:56 PM

Bush is going to make another statement at 9 PM NYT (New York Time). Don't miss it!!!
All this is so sad. I am going to take my website (hosting company) down tomorrow and the day after tomorrow to express our deep condolences to any person injured or killed in this attack happend today! (I really give a **** about business for two days, think about all these poor inocent people)!
I am not really happy that this thread is one of the biggest and fastest growing on this board. I actually just wanted to report an accident happend when a second plane crashed into the twin towers! I just couldn't believe what i saw.

Honu

09-11-2001, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Seems like too easy a solution.
A room noone could get into.
At least there should be a way to make it more secure; it would seem.

Aloha
yeah at least for hijacking would make it tough
sometimes the easiest solutions are super easy

man how many times have ya spent days on code just to find ya put a ; in the wrong spot ;)

slade

09-11-2001, 09:03 PM

A collection of comments gathered while catching up on this thread...
Originally posted by Eagle
hmm could you please elaborate?

Originally posted by xstrike
all countries capable of nuclear power are committed to NOT use the capability, afterall they know the whole world would be wiped out should that happen...

If you can't figure this out, rent the movie WarGames.

Originally posted by cimshimy
It is not cool when several classmates leave early to go home and wait to see if their parents were evacuated or if they died.
No, it's not. Its the worst kind of uncool a youngperson could ever go through.

Originally posted by Hostexp
Amazing, when Clinton was in control, there was no terrorisim issue this big. Get RID OF BUSH! Peace will come when bush doesn't involve his small ego in the rest of the world.
Apparently you don't know how bad Clinton shredded the protective forces of the United States. If he were still in office, we'd be looking at a battle with the only half a dozen ships he hadn't been able to force into retirement.

Originally posted by Cyberpunk
Terrorism must be wiped out, by whatever means necessary, we in the UK lived for years not knowing where the next bomb might go off and no one should have to live like that.
Unfortunately anyone who thinks they've been wronged by someone else is a potential terrorist. We could blow up the planet, but I'm hoping to get married, have kids, and move to another solar system before this happens.

Originally posted by acetate
I'm afraid it will go up.. I can't even think of what will happen during tomorrows opening of the stock market..
It will most likely go up, but I doubt it will go that high except in places where it already nears that. In N.Carolina, it' 1.3x to 1.6x. I believe I heard trading would be suspended for tomorrow?

Originally posted by cperciva
That is presumably why it was domestic flights which were hijacked... they wanted planes with lots of fuel, but not international flights, hence the choice of transcontinental flights.
I expect this was precisely why these flights were chosen. These planes were headed for the farthest non-international destinations available. They would have the largest payload of fuel.

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I hope I credited everyone properly.

I was packaging an item for shipment today and had the horrible thought of "hey, do you think that city's still there?" Its like reading a sci-fantasy story about a war...

Mod Note: I believe this thread should be closed and marked as continued into another new thread. It will not be very long before it is eating up a lot of server time.