http://www.apple.com/imac/

also price cuts on G5s and the 1.8 has been made into a 1.8 dual. :)

Saw those yesterday... must get that 20" iMac...

Now that it's 20", it's no longer pointless for me to get one as my PB screen is already 17" (former largest iMac size).

Like I said... must get one... :pray:

Not too shabby at all. Although, not as good as my 22" LG LCD screen. :D

Kill them kill them all *hands out grenades to wht members* lol

No! We're good people! Unless you meant the computers themselves, in which case "No! They're good computers!"

I stand by my Apple :usflag:

:eek:

This is getting better by the second!

I also stand by apple, I'm a very long time PC user, but If I had a g5, there is no way I'd stay on a windows platform.

Getting the 20" in about a month ... i'll let you guys know how it is. :D

There is no way I'd ever convert to a Macentrash. I don't care what they offered. I've used them and don't like the way they look, I don't like the OS, I don't like the attitude of the Mac community in general. And I hate Steve Jobs..

Even though I have voluntarily migrated away from windows there is stil no way I'd ever get that desprite to use a Mac.

For it being based off of Unix, and you posting at a web hosting forum, you'd think you would be more comfortable with such an OS.

What are the reasons you don't like the OS?

Good for you.


:rolleyes: @Davros

I have used both Mac and PCs(all flavours) and I really have no preference.

Originally posted by Davros
I don't like the attitude of the Mac community in general...

I think he might have been beatup by a Mac user in the past :D

Lol, yeah, he's about to be beat up by one more if he keeps up this negative attitude!

Originally posted by Steve-VST
Lol, yeah, he's about to be beat up by one more if he keeps up this negative attitude!

Bring it on!:stickout:

That would be difficult from a computer, but for a "Battle of the Notebooks"... 1" thin (when closed), 17" 16:9 notebook with a built in DVD-R, 1.33 GHz G4, 80 GB HD. :P

Take that!

But what is it about the OS you don't like? Specifics, people! And what OS are you referring to? Things have changed since OS 10.0, now that we're at 10.3, Panther, so many new features have been introduced only from the 10.2, so it's about time you try one again.

10.3 is friggin' awesome ... very stable ... user-friendly ... robust ... let's you get under the hood and actually use the OS if you want too ... or you don't have too and it just works.

"Anything you can do I can do better! Nanny nanny boo boo" Sound like a bunch of spoiled brats..

That is the general attitude of the Mac community I despise. Everything Mac users have is better than everyone elses.. I could care less how thick your notbook is. or what it does. My PC does EVERYTHING I need it to do. Period. So your Mac regardless of how small it is or what it does will never be better than mine. In my opinion (Which in this case is the only one that matters.) I already have the perfect computer. Simply because it does what "I" need it to do. That is all that matters.

What don't I like about the OS??
It's Macintosh.. I don't like the way the Mac os feels. looks, or works..
Mac's (And a good number of their users) are so narrow minded its pitiful. Tell me steve supose you did have a spell where your mind opened up just a little what other OS's can you run on your Mac that will fall in as if it were native to the machine?

None that I know of.. If I get bent with Windows I can use Linux (which I do already), and there are at least a dozen reliable versions of that.. If that's not good enough I can run Unix or Solaris, OS/2 and that is just a few of the choices I have.. I don't have to have an OS Based on anything.. Most major OS's allready come fully comaptible to the x86.

I can also go to damn near any corner computer store and buy software/hardware for my computer I don't have to make sure it's 'Mac" compatible and worry about the $100 price tacked on it because it is.. I don't beleive the lies mac spreads about windows and drivers either. Buy junk.. you get what you pay for. That's the bottom line. You buy any reputable hardware and there will be no problem with it working properly with Windows. You buy a no-name chinese look-alike sure you'll most likely have problems. A users poor judgement is not the OS's fault..

I also have every opertunity to design my computer exactly how I want it. If I don't like the way a case looks. Fine there are thousands to choose from.. If I don't like a partucular Mainboard there are thousands of those too. I can even choose what CPU I want to use without any risk.. Tons of hardware, tons of software to make my computer look and feel in everything inside and out exactly how I like it..

Are there any compeditors designing Mac CPU's that you can buy instead of the 'Mac' CPU? Can you do that with your Mac? Can you buy Mac cases other than paying for what it comes in? Can you buy Mac motherboards from other manufactures?

Nope.. You are stuck using the artsie fartsie trendy crap that they tell you you should use. If you enjoy being a follower instead of being alowed to make your own choices that's OK.. It's your money.. Waste it if you wish.. But the money you waste does not make your computer any better than mine.

I'll choose the FREEDOM. I can do anything I want with my PC. And until Mac allows others to contribute to the market giving me that same freedom I have with my PC maybe I might consider it But untill then I'll live outside a box thank you.

I think I better get out of this thread before it is closed.

So I guess for my closing statement...

I've been on Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, 2000, ME, XP Beta, XP Home, XP Professional, on the Microsoft front. I've only started exploring other options this year with RedHat and Mandrake on the PC. OS X.3 is incredible for reasons I don't even know, mainly because I'm not that cool of a guru. But I know it's fast, easy to operate, and does everything I need it to, whilst looking cool and going fast. Faster than my PC which I haven't touched in a month which suddenly takes 10 minutes to open IE.

And you're judging the Mac community by me asking what you don't like about the OS? (Which you still have yet to answer)

If your issue is you can't afford one, that's one thing, but judging the Mac community from that isn't very fair.

All I can say, is your last reply was pathetic. Those are not reasons to hate Mac users and the OS, and the Mac itself. Those are reasons you chose the PC.

Originally posted by Davros
That is the general attitude of the Mac community I despise. Everything Mac users have is better than everyone elses.. I could care less how thick your notbook is. or what it does. My PC does EVERYTHING I need it to do. Period. So your Mac regardless of how small it is or what it does will never be better than mine. In my opinion (Which in this case is the only one that matters.) I already have the perfect computer. Simply because it does what "I" need it to do. That is all that matters.


I agree with you that you pick whatever works best for you because that's what matters; but coming here to troll and then proclaiming the forementioned as your excuse is pure irony.

If you despise macs, then this thread clearly isn't intended for you.

daveros, you are the kind of people the mac community hate... if you had an open mind, maybe people would be much nicer to you.

all this extra price for mac hardware etc. is complete trash. it's what uneducated pc users generally assume, without checking the facts. macs use the same hardware as PCs, minus the processor. the only things that can cause problems are video cards, and you can flash PC ati cards to work on macs anyway, if you dont want the ADC connector.

"Are there any compeditors designing Mac CPU's that you can buy instead of the 'Mac' CPU? Can you do that with your Mac? Can you buy Mac cases other than paying for what it comes in? Can you buy Mac motherboards from other manufactures?"

Its called quality control ;) One of the reasons macs are so stable is because the OS doesn't have to be compatible with Mr. Taiwan's $2 motherboards.

And you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when you say the 'Mac CPU'. They just use regular powerpc processors, made by motorola(G4) and IBM(G3 and G5). You could technically run OSX on an IBM powerpc server, if darwin had the support for the hardware used, and it had the correct ROMs on the logic board to allow it to boot.

And apple tried licensing the mac rom and os to other manufacturers - and they nearly died because of it. Apple are a hardware company, and they survive off their hardware sales.

As for software being more expensive, i have never seen a serious software manufacuter charging more for mac software than windows, seeing as OSX is easier to develop for than that redmond thing... check ebay - Mac software is usually much cheaper on there then the PC alternatives.

Don't like mac os? There's many many unix and linux distributions for powerpc, and you can even buy macs preinstalled with linux from yellowdog.

Originally posted by Davros
There is no way I'd ever convert to a Macentrash. I don't care what they offered. I've used them and don't like the way they look, I don't like the OS, I don't like the attitude of the Mac community in general. And I hate Steve Jobs..

Even though I have voluntarily migrated away from windows there is stil no way I'd ever get that desprite to use a Mac.


NICELY STATED!!!!

The Dude :D

Ugh ^^ Not another misguided youth :D

Originally posted by phision.com
daveros, you are the kind of people the mac community hate... No love lost here!

if you had an open mind, maybe people would be much nicer to you.
I have no problem finding freinds thank you.. Even some of my best freinds have Macentrash computers belevie it or not!


all this extra price for mac hardware etc. is complete trash. it's what uneducated pc users generally assume, without checking the facts. macs use the same hardware as PCs, minus the processor. the only things that can cause problems are video cards, and you can flash PC ati cards to work on macs anyway, if you dont want the ADC connector.

"Are there any compeditors designing Mac CPU's that you can buy instead of the 'Mac' CPU? Can you do that with your Mac? Can you buy Mac cases other than paying for what it comes in? Can you buy Mac motherboards from other manufactures?"

Its called quality control ;) One of the reasons macs are so stable is because the OS doesn't have to be compatible with Mr. Taiwan's $2 motherboards.



What's that switcher campaign about installing Windows componats being a pain in the ***? At least I can plug in my Video card and it works. With a Mac if you want your own GFX card you've got to flash the BIOS!. Not only that but you have to search for specific name brands so that it will work properly. Might as well tack on an extra few bucks just for the hassle. Wow! Sounds allot more of a pain in the *** then letting the os install a simple driver. Oh thats right Mac users are brainwashed into beleiveing it takes hours to surf the web and find drivers.. (Here's a little secret for you, even the el-cheapo crap comes with Win drivers on a disk in the box!)

And perhaps you could tell me WHERE I said that MS would compromise to work with el-cheapo mother boards or other hardware? Or is it just that you read what you wanted to read?

Here is exactly what I said.. Perhaps you should read it a little closer this time.

I can also go to damn near any corner computer store and buy software/hardware for my computer I don't have to make sure it's 'Mac" compatible and worry about the $100 price tacked on it because it is.. I don't beleive the lies mac spreads about windows and drivers either. Buy junk.. you get what you pay for. That's the bottom line. You buy any reputable hardware and there will be no problem with it working properly with Windows. You buy a no-name chinese look-alike sure you'll most likely have problems. A users poor judgement is not the OS's fault..


Since when has Microsoft lowered their standards to work an el-cheapo product?? NEVER! In fact it's quite the opposite. You make a product that works with Windows or Linux or you don't stay in business too long PERIOD! Because if it does not play well with Windows it's damn sure not going to work for Linux, because if it's junk nobody in the Linux open source worl will bother to write a driver for it. Honestly, I like being the one to judge my own quality. If a device does not do what I need it to do I need to have the choice to find a device that does without having to settle with what one company tells me I need.

And you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when you say the 'Mac CPU'. They just use regular powerpc processors, made by motorola(G4) and IBM(G3 and G5). You could technically run OSX on an IBM powerpc server, if darwin had the support for the hardware used, and it had the correct ROMs on the logic board to allow it to boot.
Oh please forgive me it's not a CPU it a PowerPC Chip..

And apple tried licensing the mac rom and os to other manufacturers - and they nearly died because of it. Apple are a hardware company, and they survive off their hardware sales.


In other words they could not compete with a capitolist open market they had to resort to a communist market where they controled everything.. I'm not impressed.
Look at Atari, Comodore and TI.. They had the same idea. Are they still in business? Incedetly MS makes as much software for the Mac as they do for Windows. And If they did'nt bail them out they would be out of business. Whats the one OS that MS does not and will not write for? Linux perhaps that should show you where the fear really lies.


As for software being more expensive, i have never seen a serious software manufacuter charging more for mac software than windows, seeing as OSX is easier to develop for than that redmond thing... check ebay - Mac software is usually much cheaper on there then the PC alternatives.

Yes, but like I said I have to go out of my way to find Mac software. When I can buy it for the PC almost anywhere. MY time is worth the money. If I have to spend more time looking for something it costs more regaurdless of what the price tag says.


Don't like mac os? There's many many unix and linux distributions for powerpc, and you can even buy macs preinstalled with linux from yellowdog.

No I don't like Mac OS and I don't have to buy a Mac computer to run Unix or Linux or a ton of other OS's. So why should I?

Those macs are sexy!

Every now and then I hear that "The new Windows is now as good as a real Mac" or "The new Windows now feels like a Mac". And after Apple invented the "Aqua" interface, Microsoft ordered the XP interface to be also nature oriented (moon). If Mac was so bad, Microsoft wouldn't (try to) copy it. This leads to the question, why should someone prefer something that claims to be "almost as good as something else" over the original something else. The answer is probably "the price". Or ignorance.

Also we should distinguish between computer freaks and computer users like we do distinguish between car freaks who tune their cars in their free time and car drivers who just want to drive to the work and back.

Davros looks to me like the guy who has fun playing with, assembling, tuning and upgrading his computer. Computer is not just an instrument but the goal of his engagement, therefore his decision for Windows is absolutely correct.

For me, my 12" 1 GHz G4 PowerBook and my 800 MHz G4 are just instruments to do my job. Therefore my decision for the MacOSX is correct.

Sidenote on 800 MHz G4 running Jaguar: OS frozen from November 15th 2002 until today: Never (the device has never been shut down in this time).

kosmo