and stay in business?

5 Gb Web Space
60 Gb Bandwidth

7 bucks a month?!


Man that is just crazy!

The truth is you cannot.

It's simply overselling at the extreme.

Yes and I think some webhost who oversell should be shutdown. I mean RackShack and various other companies should investigate and add it into they're Terms of Service!

Originally posted by Kerry Jones
Yes and I think some webhost who oversell should be shutdown. I mean RackShack and various other companies should investigate and add it into they're Terms of Service!

And they should have a law where you can't oversell for all datacenters or they'll shut you down and won't refund your money at all ;)

(Not likely, and that's not too good of a idea either)

It's totally legal so nothing you can do about it. Gives the hosting world a bad name though.

I would have to say it should be illegal. I mean if the server crashes or exceeds the host's bandwidth limit that would be false advertising or even possibly a bait and switch. I wonder has anyone actually ever talked with a Internet Lawyer to see if this is illegal or just assumed its not illegal?

From what I can tell of the numerous posts on this it's legal as long as the host provides the service.

I'll bet if someone's got enough money they could actually sue for the space they are promised.. I'm sure a lawyer could find some loophole in the intelectual property laws. After all, it's like renting a house or an apt. with 4 bedrooms but in reality you can only use one.

But the truth is it's easier to find another host and hope they are honest about actually giving you all the space you are renting.

Then you come to WHT and flame the disshonest host. lol

lol I was just wondering because I look at some of the prices being thrown around, I wonder how ? How are you able to offer at such a cheap price and stay above water! THere is no way that with that cheap of a price for that much space and BW that person could be making any money. Period. Unless he is running a server from his house or something? lol

The simple truth is that every business is oversold.

Take Bally Total Fitness for example, they sell way more memberships at a centre than they can handle. If all the customers were to come at the same time, there would be problems everywhere! Chances of that happenning? Very rare. Overselling is okay, it depends on who's doing it though to be honest.

Many host's out there that can handle overselling and they do it well. I can't speak for everyone though, each host has their own way of doing things.

Just my 2 cents :D

Even with running a server from the house, unless using a DSL/Cable line (which would not do the job), it would be too expensive. T-1 lines cost (last time I checked) around $200 minimum, and more in some areas.

I wouldn't agree with HostingPlex's analogy, as i am pretty sure no Fitness Center offers 99(.x)% "uptime" (availability of all machines/services).

So, with the fitness center not making such a claim, then obviously, people form an orderly queue, or make appointments for a certain machine/service.

The difference in hosting, with regards to overselling, is hosts offering 99.x% uptime, are not saying "in the event of too many users using traffic they paid for, your website and service will have to form an orderly queue, or make an appointment to be up" :laugh:

Overselling, within your means is not too bad... for example:

xyzhost.com pays their upstream for 600GB of transfer.

xyzhost.com's upstream provider tells them that the absolute maximum transfer they can use, even if all overages are paid, is 800GB

xyzhost.com then sells 40 packages, each offering 20GB of transfer each

That, or something like it, is what i would class as "ok overselling", as if needs be, the host can pay for more allocation.

Now, that host would only fall into murky water should they then allow one or more of the 40 users to go over their allocation, thus running the risk of going over the upstream's maximum of 800 GB.

To answer the topic starter, on how can a company provide that service, at that price, and still make a good profit;

A: They can't.

I know who you're talking about.

Answer: Because they were just registered last month.

Created: 06-oct-2003
Expires: 06-oct-2004

And judging from the domains they host, it looks like a kid.

Additionally, they're not a rackshack host. IP Location: United States - Pennsylvania - Scranton - Network Operations Center Inc.

They'll be gone in a month or two. :rolleyes:

check out their TOS and you will see if you can't use all of the resource.

BTW, iicinternet offer crazy plans and they still here. It's all depend.

For example:

Space:Unlimited
BW: 500 Gig
$19.95 /month

Selling you x amount of disk space then selling half your 'promised' disk space to someone else is a different ballgame. They say you're paying for 500mb of space then 500mb belongs to you for as long as your account is in good standing.

Trouble is most hosts who oversell have loopholes they can jump through and make it almost impossible for you to actually use the space you paid for..

Rules like:
File size limits, Number of Files, directory limits, No static file storage, etc. When if you add it all up you can't possibly use all the space you are paying for. Yet people buy it..

Another example which is technically overselling. If you buy a car that is listed as 54mpg hwy / 40mpg city. truth is you will only get close to that provided your car is in perfect tune, you've got the perfect air/fuel mixture which depends on altitude, barometric pressure, humidity, temp., tire balance, tire inflation, driving habits, and a multitude of other variables.

So ok.. Quite a few use "overselling" as a sales pitch but that does not mean it's right. Nor does it depend on 'if they can handle it'. It's just like mail-in rebates. They depend on the fact that the majority of people won't bother with mailing it in. If they do they can always deny they ever saw it, or claim it got lost in the mail to you. I never buy anything for the rebate price. Chances are I'll never see any rebate. Best Buy owes me so much money in rebates but chances are I'll never see it. I've mailed in every stinkin one but I've never seen a check. So a rebate price is not an attraction. I always assume I'm paying full price or I'll have to go without.


'Overselling' is just something the passive consumer has learned to accept and usually never complains. The few that do speak up are usually out numbered.

Originally posted by Coach
I know who you're talking about.

Answer: Because they were just registered last month.

Created: 06-oct-2003
Expires: 06-oct-2004

And judging from the domains they host, it looks like a kid.

Additionally, they're not a rackshack host. IP Location: United States - Pennsylvania - Scranton - Network Operations Center Inc.

They'll be gone in a month or two. :rolleyes:

are you bashing them? Come on, give the new company a chance.

Kevin

Originally posted by Kerry Jones
Yes and I think some webhost who oversell should be shutdown.

Nah. The problem is not from the provider. They're from those who do not use their head to think. Those that want to pay few bucks and want the whole world. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by inteltechs
are you bashing them? Come on, give the new company a chance.

Kevin

Nope, if I were bashing them, I would have named the company and said they were lousy without any experience with them.

However, providing factual information regarding a company should let everyone come to their own opinions.

I think the easiest solution would be to require every business on the Internet to hold a valid business license.

Maybe It should be a legal requirement for providers to obtain the business license details for anyone looking to purchase a reseller account or dedicated server for commercial purposes.

This would also mean that if you wanted to follow legal action against a commercial internet operation you could ask their provider to disclose their details.

I'm only suggesting this for commercial servers and reseller accounts, not personal use ones.

Well, a company can over sell the service, but who's to say that they don't have hella crazy web servers, or 100's of them? That's what I meant by "it depends on the company".

Another example, go into a taco bell, have 200 people go in, thats not their cap... their service is going to lag... I think it's all oversold. But it's okay.... it shouldn't be "ILLEGAL"... you should research the company before you sign up... make sure they are actually a company and not a student doing stuff after school.

If you get crappy service... you are the one that signed up with them...