I downloaded IE6 last night and since then my PC is a nightmare. Every folder pops up with a javascript error, the uninstaller freezes and every time i click on form or dropdown, it crashes. I'll post some screenshots ....

Another screenshot ...

And just another one ....

I always wait a few months after the actual release for bugs to be fixed. Even then if I don't see anything spectacular to upgrade for I won't touch it. Too many problems pop up with the new stuff.

Internet Explorer 6 <- Go to hell.
hahahaha.

I installed IE6 today on a Win2k Pro machine and it works fine.
I know that doesn't make you feel any better, though. :eek:

I uninstalled IE6 a few moments ago and since then, everytime i start up Windows its crashing Explorer and locking up.

:cartman:

Now i need to attempt and 'recover' my main machine. 69% done and 22 minutes left.

:rolleyes:

First of all, I don't have DSL in my area just yet, and I am probably going to get sattelite instead... It's fine, just costs a lot to get hooked up. So, I'm on a 56 modem, but the phone lines in this neighborhood are at the lowest FCC requirement... hence a 28.8 connection for me. Needless to say, I prefer to not download anything too large.

Well, some forums I have to do support in, simply do not work with Netscape communicator. For soem reason, in the last couple of years, netscape's developers didn't care when developing this browser, because there's certain table schemes on web sites that will just put a 100% usage load on both memory and CPU, until you kill Netscape's process. It doesn't work well with IE either, but IE eventually loads the page. In Netscape, it consumes 100% of my system's resources (WinNT server 4.0, newest IIS, as well as newest option and service pack). I use an AMD K-6 266 II MHZ CPU and was using 64 megs RAM -- I never had a problem and it all ran well.

Apparently, so little care or bother anymore is taken in these programs that are being developed, because of all the new hardware with such a massive amount or speed -- it reminds me of a local guy that wanted to hire me a few years ago to do database and other various programs as well as networking, etc. He flat out told me, "Why bother to make it the most efficient? Program it in VB for fast development and don't worry about making it fast -- they can buy faster drives, CPU's and more RAM if they want it to be fast". Needless to say, that was it and I never accepted the job offer. Maybe this guy got a job at netscape?

I upgraded my system from 64 Megs RAM, to 256. This actually did solve the high load problem in memory (it peaks at about 135 Megs), but it still the CPU tacks out at 100% CPU usage -- sometimes it will drop (suddenly), while other times, I need to wait for it to drop (suddenly), yet most times it simply sits at 100% CPU until I kill netscape's process. IE does basically the same thing, but it doesn't to that extent. IE used to be slower and consume more resources.. now Netscape seems to be worse.

My point being, in hopes that the new IE would be better, since Netscape still sucks, I could download IE 6. Since I'm on a 28.8 connection, it took a considerable amount of time to download. Further, in that time, I must have been kicked offline 3 or more times. Luckily there's the "resume download" option. Well, I finally download it all and go to install it. Everything works fine, right up until it's last few stages of install and it freezes. I wait forever and nothing. I stopped the install, tried again with the same results (kill the install process) -- hangs on the same part too. (I don't remember yet, I think there it was installing the personal preferences or whatever). I rebooted and it tried to continue the install, so I let it, it huing at the same place again.

So, I did a fresh reboot, and started over... same thing. I was impressed. I mean, usually I have to use IE before it crashes, and this was FAST! I have to admire them for the speed. After all, why should IE 6 install without problems on a measly 256 meg RAM system with only a measly 266 MHZ CPU and maybe 10 GIG's of free drive space? Well, I finally downloaded the Opera browser that I've been hearing so much about. Not only is it really faster than any other browser, as it claims, but it doesn't put a load on my system. I can hit any page with the same table scheme and it's very, very noticeably faster than IE or netscape.

I used to hate IE and was a big fan of netscape (probably because netscape used to have more features and be stable -- way back when -- and it was my first browser -- so IE felt clumbsy and out of control to me). Netscape sucks now, but IE was no better -- not any better than it used to be, just netscape got worse. (And there's something about IE not caring about the RFC's that bother me.. go figure!). Anyway, Opera might not have al lthe features, but I'm also not a person that cares about all the stupid plug-in's people embed on web pages. It seems to have most (but not all) of the features people would want.

It's (Opera) not as compatiable, but very close and I have to say, comparatively, Opera will probably be my main browser, that is to say, if netscape fails to work on a page, I'll go to it in Opera. However, I'll probably just migrate over to using Opera exclusively and save netscape and IE for viewing pages that requires I have it to view all the stupid pages that people throw in all the tons of crap into. I'd suggest forgetting about IE or netscape and checking out Opera. Good luck.

I think Internet Explorer (IE) is the best browser today without doubt. However, it depends what OS you're running. I've noticed that IE 5.0 runs best on WinNT and Win2000. IE 6.0 has a little more features, but it loads slow on these OS's. But I've tried IE 6.0 on WindowsXP at a friends house and it's very good and stable from what I've seen. For those of you that are running Win98 or WinME (both unstable OS's), I would suggest you use Opera which as Tim mentioned, is almost as compatible as IE. Opera still needs time and work, but it's getting better and better. As far as Netscape goes, I think everyone should stop using it. We would all be better off. You don't know how much time the average designer/developer puts into making his/hers website not look like crap in Netscape. Why? Because of those last few people that insist in using that poor excuse for a webbrowser. And the users can't see the page the way it was ment too (since it doesn't support the _cool_ features, i.e. very bad CSS support).

To put it short, if IE is working good for you, then stick with it because it has the most features and is the best browser when it works. If it keeps crashing on you, download Opera (www.opera.com). And finally, let Netscape die out. The world would be a better place without it.

Originally posted by Kiwi
I downloaded IE6 last night and since then my PC is a nightmare. Every folder pops up with a javascript error, the uninstaller freezes and every time i click on form or dropdown, it crashes. I'll post some screenshots ....

So, do you recommend it? :stickout :cartman:

I think Tim was the lucky one.
If you can't get it installed; you don't have to fight with the other things it won't do :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mr. Amazon
I think Internet Explorer (IE) is the best browser today without doubt.


If best means the most insecure and least concerned with following international standards, then you are correct.

Originally posted by Mike the newbie
If best means the most insecure and least concerned with following international standards, then you are correct.

Internet Explorer (5.0) runs very smoothly on Windows NT and Windows 2000. I know it gives a lot of problems with Windows 9x, but that is because the whole OS is unstable. I have been running NT and then 2000 for years now and never had any what so ever problems with Internet Explorer. It hasn't even given much problem on my sisters Windows 98 machine.

You have to understand that Internet Explorer was built as part of the operating system. The preformance of it is affected when you install and uninstall 32 games and 74 different programs. Specially when you install tons of programs you download from the net that you don't even know what they are. Even after you uninstall them, they still leave half of the files on your system. Also Windows 9x has a lot of memory issues and that does not help either.

If you don't like Internet Explorer just because it's a M$ product, then that's another story.

Also please explain why you don't like Internet Explorer or prefer other browsers, don't say things like "it's the worst browser just because I think so!".

Thank you.

PS. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not trying to change your mind about Internet Explorer. I'm just trying to share my experience and knowledge about it.

Well, I'm completely unbiased, since I hate both.. oh...wait.. I guess that doesn't make sense. Heh. :-) Seriously, I'm not happy with either. I can't think of anything else on my WinNT server that doesn't run well, other than IE and Netscape (and Outlook sucks on it too, but I don't like Outlook). I don't like a lot of MS products, because they feel bulky and consume too much resources and don't seem to be built well. But, you know what -- like I said, it's an NT server, so I must not dislike MS too much. Furthermore, I use Visual Studio, and that's quite a lot of MS right there. I don't like too much else they have, and NT is my favorite MS OS, Windows has the best interface and looks best. Perhaps it doesn't have the control of Xwindows on a Unix variant or the like, but it's a little more mature and together and doesn't require you to tweak it.

That's also not to say that I wouldn't rather be in a shell session on any Unix based server either (because I would) and not care about the interface beyond control. But, that's no fun.. My plan is to forget Windows altogether and just boot into it when I want the interface, or to do development for Windows or on Windows, such as programming, design or whatever... I have too many expensive programs to not use them. However, I think I'll still choose Opera for Linux (if I use Linux instead of Windows at home for my surfing), over Netscape for Linux.

It has nothing to do with MS for me. I'm not the biggest fan of MS, but I use enough MS products to know I'd be a fool to say I can't stand Windows or other MS products. In my book, IE sucks just as bad as Netscape, but they aren't too bad of browsers... I'd like to see any other company's or people produce such feature filled products with only as many errors and bugs as IE or Netscape have -- because it's not that bad. It's just the fact that they require so much resources in the manners I have outlined briefly, that bother me. Still, that doesn't mean I will accept it and not look for better or complain about the ridiculously unacceptable bugs. So, in closing, I think both IE and netscape suck at this point and I only see them getting worse. Moreover, it's not like I'm devistated that IE failed to install -- because with my luck, it'd take over my desktop and that'd piss me off. :0)

I just installed it on my home computer, Win2k, 866mhz, 160mb Ram. I use a cable connection so I had it installed in five minutes, haven't seen any errors. So far i'd say it's a lot more stable than 5.5 and seems more responsive. IE 5.5 seemed to go brain dead every so often.

Many users here are too experinced. They know too much about MS that they dislike MS based items.

But most of general users use IE since almost all PC comes windows installed which comes with IE.

Don't say things like "my friends use netscape.. opera yada yada blah blah."

The fact I see is that large % of people use IE.
Where I live, Korea, you won't see opera browser nor netscape. You will only see IE. No matter how well you explain that IE sucks, no one is gonna listen. (well maybe a few) because IE is their only choice in general.

That said, I am not saying IE is the best. There are so many OSs out there. Producing a software that could be run under all kind of OS would be very hard, I suppose. It may not be a good example but you know how painful it is to make a website that look all the same to all browsers. Maybe, programming is similar. Making the software to run all smooth under all OSs is maybe indeed hard.

my 0.2 won.

i am downloading opera browser. actually i have never used any browser except ie and netscape. so i am very exited.
;)

I'm downloading Opera now. I remember when it first came out. I wasn't too thrilled with it, but the biggest selling point they had was that it was so compact. Like around 1mb. Now it's 9.8mb!

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
First of all, I don't have DSL in my area just yet, and I am probably going to get sattelite instead... It's fine, just costs a lot to get hooked up. So, I'm on a 56 modem, but the phone lines in this neighborhood are at the lowest FCC requirement... hence a 28.8 connection for me. Needless to say, I prefer to not download anything too large.

bla bla ...

thanks tim. i downloaded opera and it works just great. speed is like wind. it loads faster then ie and netscape.

it even won't crash with c panel. ( my ie crash with c panel web control panel :bawling: ) but it does not run scroling marique properly.

however thumbs up for opera. :cartman:

i still use IE 5.0

Originally posted by creepcolony
i still use IE 5.0

i use IE 5.5 happyly. Yeah it crash only 1-2 times in every 15-20 minutes but still improved version from IE 5.0 :D

Just delete it i had the same problems... IE 6 in windows XP is great.. ;) But for 98 and 2000 it sucks dude..

I reinstalled Win98 recently, and afterwords I have to say that IE5.5 has been excelent. I wont take it to any sites that tould try to brake it (I have Opera for that. Solid browser, but not all the fancy stuff)

Also installed Netscape 6.1. Much better than 6.0. Not many skins/themes for it though...

OE is the best newsgroup/email client I have used. Simple as that. I have had no problems with viruses etc with it (that's NAVs problem :) )

Later,
Douglas

You could have gotten rid of most of those errors by re-disabling script debugging :o. I use IE6 on WinME and it does seem a little less stable than 5.5, but not much. At any rate, sorry to hear your system didnt agree w/ it.