I'm trying to decide whether to go with Plesk or Cpanel for my web hosting needs. I've heard tons of complaints about Cpanel so I'm "skeptical" about it now ;).

Anyways, what I want to know from you pros is what features are lacking in Plesk that Cpanel can do well?

Also, is the source code of Plesk available for me to modify and add new features?

Thanks!

Originally posted by Skeptical
Also, is the source code of Plesk available for me to modify and add new features?

I doubt it; it would be too easy to circumvent their licensing code if it was easily modified. That said, I'm not sure exactly how this would be done... can someone who actually has firsthand knowledge answer this?

plesk is stable, cpanel is not
cpanel has a graphic interface, plesk, well..they need a decent one

Still, I found Plesk (as the first Control Panel I ever used) to be simple enough for a newbie. ;)

Originally posted by multipleimage
plesk is stable, cpanel is not
cpanel has a graphic interface, plesk, well..they need a decent one I think Plesk's interface is more than decent... I think it's superior. It's simple and easy to understand. Just because Plesk doesn't have pictures of mimes and other cr*p doesn't mean its interface is not as effective as CPanel for the end user.

I haven't had a chance to really dig into the guts of Plesk yet (I've played around with the free downloadable demo for about 6 hours so far), but I think most of it is PHP, and if that's the case you may be able to add your own artwork (although I may be totally wrong on this--but Plesk's promo material does say, "Plesk is striving to increase the ability of the customer to make his or her own customizations.")

that is true huh...i forgot..psa2 lets you modify it some.

But plesk seems to be missing lots of features that cpanel has. Is this true or am I mistaken?

Yes it miss quite a few features but are they really important? Most of them are third party scripts anyway.

Originally posted by WZS
Yes it miss quite a few features but are they really important? Most of them are third party scripts anyway. Maybe the reason CPanel is so buggy.
I find that Plesk has all you really need.
CPanel has too much.

How about Ensim?

Plesk is missing everything that an everday user wants.

Like what?

For the record I am not bashing Plesk.

Just take a look at features that cpanel gives and what features plesk gives.

I am sure Plesk is a good and stable control panel.

Originally posted by Palm
Plesk is missing everything that an everday user wants.

Aloha
very curious what everyday users want
I run sites for my clients

they want to add emails (maybe and that is about it)
just curious if you can list these out
mahalos

E-mail is not the only thing they want.

Cpanel in my opinion has more options then Plesk.
Login in cpanel and then login in Plesk and see what each one has. I can't possibly list every software each control panel comes with.

Cpanel definetly wins with pre-installed scripts. It has a lot of them which many users use.

Originally posted by Palm
. . . . . . . It has a lot of them which many users use. It, also, has a lot that "normal" people don't or won't use.
I think so many options allows for so many more bugs. :rolleyes:
I found Plesk quite adequate when I was an "every day user."

Hearing the number of people using Plesk and Cpanel, there is a wide difference. If you find plesk interesting then it's your opinion. :)

....It has a lot of them which many users use.

It also provides features for users who ordinarally wouldn't even consider using. More features - more support. If someone sees it, they will try or want to use it. And when they can't get cgi scripts for example to magically work, they call on support. Plesk gives you what the 'everyday' customer would want. Plus a little extra. Cpanel gives a lot of cool features, but some people attempting to use them have no business even trying to use them.

"I just added the submit button to my site. Where do I pick up the form it sends?" :D

Aloha

was very curious
I wonder what normal is ??
(this is not trying to be negative palm ;)
I guess my normal and your normal might be dif ??
that is why I was curious what other people wanted ???
I am really trying to guess what they would want on a daily basis ???
I can think of these things on a weekly basis:
Stats (see how things are going)
Email (add users delete users)
Password a dir or upload files (if this was the case I would build this into ther web app)
if this is a once in a while thing Fileman does just great ;)

but that is all I can ever think of that most real world users want
now Program types and design types might want more but those would not always trickle down to the end user ??
just my thoughts
I stated on another post that some people who host are hosting to other techy types that want to play with stuff etc...
and some are just end users who want stuff to work and not dink with things ?
I guess for my end user/Clients I handle most all other stuff so I am not in need of a panel that offers all bells and whitles to the end user woud rather not have them mucking stuff up
I guess when I got an account that had cpanel it was very buggy hard to use and had no real defined feel or look
I am not trying to start a war here so please don't
this is for me and my clients.

Well, more than Psa 2.0 cpanel has:
- chat and all cgi tools
- cron jobs
- apache handler
- myme types
- restart services ( php, apache, exim...) (whm interface)
- mailing list
- notice about new/cancellation domains (whm interface)
- server http bandwith measurement (whm interface)
a friendly interface

And Psa 2.0 has:
- apache-asp module
- auto generate SSL
- email box and disk quota physically allowed
- mail groups
- domains creation date
php high reliability.

Both are 3 level
Now it's a very personal choice to pay more attention to nice interface, cgi pre-installed or to general reliability.

bye

- server http bandwith measurement (whm interface)

plesk has that too.

Hum.. can't find it.

:(

You click on the domain, then on report

Traffic limit: 20000.000 MB/month

Real traffic: 0.001 MB/month

Oh that's ok, I just meant total server bandwith that would be helpful for the ones who bill the exceeded bandwith
:-)

Nothing against panels

I would rather have a larger company to lean on for problems then what cpanel offers.

These panels are mission critical, and i dont have time for problems with them.

Cpanel is just full of bugs, like someone just threw a bunch of stuff together, and bang panel.

Plesk is very stable, support is great, and though it may lack some features right now then cpanel. I want reliability and plesk offers that.

Also Plesk just released, there are so many things coming out for it in the near future. I see plesk taking solid market share.

Ensim is also releasing 3. This is suppost to be quite solid. I think cpanel is slowly going away. Also cpanel came from vdi and was used in there datacenter. Most companies I have spoke with have never heard of cpanel. It is not listed in many magazines and has no recognition for being a great panel

My thoughts

Joe

maybe nocsoft will be better.

it is late though. they orignaly e-mailed me saying it would be out in aug.

ensim has a nice interface but is horrible to install and we have had some other issues with it.

plesk is solid but it does need some additional features to it.

i am starting more and more to like webmin but that is not good for customers...

Also Plesk just released, there are so many things coming out for it in the near future. I see plesk taking solid market share.

Well i can completely subscribe your point of view, that's why we've choosen Psa for every colocation. These guys are full of good will.

Some other things, i want them to fix are:
The >LogOut button< If my computer crashes and i'm logged in Plesk.. bham! i can no longer log back in. I have to login via shell and edit the plesk admin. access ,mysql tables.

The DNS off/on button does not work and a bunch of other things..

elijah

This link might help you

http://forum.plesk.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=30

bye

Originally posted by elijah
Some other things, i want them to fix are:
The >LogOut button< If my computer crashes and i'm logged in Plesk.. bham! i can no longer log back in. I have to login via shell and edit the plesk admin. access ,mysql tables.

The DNS off/on button does not work and a bunch of other things..

That is not good. I have never experince that though.

Thanks Globe. I will check out the Plesk forum. We just upgraded some of our servers from 1.3 to v2.0. We were suppose to ditch our plesk v1.3 but the good folks at Plesk called us via phone and upgraded our plesk to v2 :)

Multipleimage, it happenned a few hours ago like 4X , i was re-creating some accounts in Plesk and for some reason my puter crapped out on me :( and when i logged back in, i can no longer login plesk... so i edited the mysql tables and removed my login name in there.

Yeah that is one of the main things they have been asked to ghange in default settings, well you could also set that locking time very low by entering your SESSION server menu. Set them to 1 minute.

bye

ok, ours is set to 15 minutes and all is fine if i properly logout Plesk but if i don't use the logout button and Log back in , i can no longer get in, if i don't edit the session tables via shell.

thanks :)

NOCSoft is going to surprise alot of people once it is released.
We are adding a ton of new features, and doing heavy bug testing.
NOCSoft is going to be a webhosting company's ideal software, from setup to accounting, from billing to fake order checking....one nifty little package.

We may be delaying the release for a little longer, in order to release a far superior product than CPanel, as well as to train proper support staff for the software....but it will be well worth everyone's wait.


Sean R.
BurstNET

Originally posted by BurstNET
NOCSoft is going to surprise alot of people once it is released.
We are adding a ton of new features, and doing heavy bug testing.
NOCSoft is going to be a webhosting company's ideal software, from setup to accounting, from billing to fake order checking....one nifty little package.

We may be delaying the release for a little longer, in order to release a far superior product than CPanel, as well as to train proper support staff for the software....but it will be well worth everyone's wait.


Sean R.
BurstNET

I heard you will be changing the license agreements with nocsoft. Will it still be monthly or going to one time fee's? Are you not sure exacly what it will be?

I may be switching from plesk to cpanel or running them both. Basically here are the main problems with plesk.

1. NO SHELL ACCESS :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
This is F'ing bullsh$t and it's driving me nuts, people out there like to do things thru shell access. I mean it's easy to enable it but then you have a huge security problem with other people being able to view other people's files. I dont know WTF plesk was thinking but this is my main reason for thinking about changing.

2. Well 2.0 they fixed this kinda, but they still use weird ass locations for things.

3. 2.0 has alot of little bugs right now that are annoying and they dont seam to be releasing any fix's. They said they are going to release a patch in mid sept after the 2.0 upgrade is released.

4. this is not really that big of a deal but why would you pic IMP to be your webmail client. That thing is a POS, it's the worst looking, performing pos i've ever used.

There are other minor reasons but dam why cant sombody make a simple control panel thats not bugy and works.

I just thought I would add that suexec in plesk actually works as opposed to the cpanel implementation.

<< I heard you will be changing the license agreements with nocsoft. Will it still be monthly or going to one time fee's? Are you not sure exacly what it will be? >>

We know what it is going to be, but we are not releasing any info on this yet until a couple weeks before the release date.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Originally posted by BurstNET
<< I heard you will be changing the license agreements with nocsoft. Will it still be monthly or going to one time fee's? Are you not sure exacly what it will be? >>

We know what it is going to be, but we are not releasing any info on this yet until a couple weeks before the release date.

Sean R.
BurstNET

DOH! that means nocsoft is more than a couple weeks away! :D