We are having a special on T3 lines (45Mbits) for $9900USD. If you require lots of bandwidth (T3s and more) you can contact us and we can offer you very good deals.

Our connectivity provider is Exodus Communications ( http://www.exodus.com ), the provider of choice for google.com, yahoo.com, mircosoft.com, priceline.com, lycos.com, msn.com and many other companies. The NOC is located in NY, US.

You may see the network by running a traceroute on this IP: 216.32.208.50

If you are intersted please contact us.

ICQ: 91603384
or Send a private msg/email

Do you have any back up plans if Exodus Communications takes the plunge?

Originally posted by Woody
Do you have any buck up plans if Exodus Communications takes the plunge?

Exodus Communication is an establised multi-million dollar communication company. They are used by the net's busiest and most populated sites. Even if Exodus goes down, there is redundancy offered from other bandwidth providers such as Level3.

Exodus Communication is an establised multi-million dollar communication companyMillions, upon Millions of dollars or debt. :)

how much for a DS3 connection and where are you guys located?

Sir,

DS-3 is the same connection as a T3 (approx 45Mbps).
The price is $9900USD.
The NOC is located in NY, US.

That would be a good deal except exodus doesn't own its own lines so if they get delisted and then the debt pressure rises more their going to loose their lines......

Buyer beware.

What did they do to get millions in debt?

I simply don't understand the bashing of Exodus.
I haven't read any news that officialy states Exodus is in debt. In my opinion these are rumors. Why would multi billion dollar reputable comapanies be using Exodus if they are in trouble.

Google.com, microsoft, yahoo etc.. must know more about this. I'm not one bit worried about Exodus' situation. Like I said before PSI.net went down last year and they still provide connectivity. Even if Exodus goes down, the connectivity will still exist under a different company name or the lines' owner.

Plus the T3s we are offering are no contract. You pay as you go. If you even want to move (which you won't since speed is amazing) you can always switch or plug into a different router to a different provider.

are you giving this offer to people only living in your area? Or could you possibly get a line down to...say...Washington DC?

Jim

Perhaps investors know something of Exodus financial situation.

I clicked to their site, and the investors relations tab. A page there states the 52-week high for its stock was $66 and the most recent price was 88 cents.

"Net loss for the second quarter 2001 was $583.4 million or $1.05 per share, compared to $51.8 million or $0.13 per share in the second quarter 2000. "


And this one after some reading...


"Exodus has amassed $3.4 billion in debt, according to the company's March filing with the Securities & Exchange Commission. "

ViVEFX, you are kidding right? I would do a little more home work if I were you.

http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/exodus621.cfm
http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/gartner801.cfm
http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/exodus510.cfm
http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2001/08/22/rtr336787.html
http://quote.fool.com/Snapshot/financials.asp?currticker=EXDS&symbols=EXDS
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2001/nf20010627_545.htm

Mark my words, bad things to come in the next 4 months.

Oh and lets see...

Yahoo traces via level3 @ the moment, their probabbly phasing out exodus lines,

Google still uses exodus but that'll probably change, exodus is not a prime buyout target due to all its debt and the fact that it leases most of its lines and equipment rather than owning it.

And As far as Microsoft, I'm certain they dont' depend on just one provider.

At one time exodus was good, but they expanded way 2 quickly and spent more $ than they should have and now the stock has plummeted thus their in a deep hole.

Thanks RackMy.com, I didn't feel like looking those up :)

Micrsoft recently signed a major bandwith deal with level3,
http://www.level3.com/us/news/newsreleases/1,1345,2001Jun26-5493,00.html
I wouldn't doubt it if they were renting data suites at an Exodus NOC somewhere but I belive level3 will be there primary provider.
It looks like msft.net is favoring level3 in all of there route updates.

Sam

But but but Battle.net still uses exodus! :D

NOPE! Battle.net uses AT&T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go to their website and click on Hosting Partners....you see, for N.America, they list AT&T as their primary host!

LOL

Jim

I'll take a T3 line if it was $5000

Originally posted by jimb
NOPE! Battle.net uses AT&T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go to their website and click on Hosting Partners....you see, for N.America, they list AT&T as their primary host!

LOL

Jim

well i played this game starcraft along time ago... im outdated :)

$5000 for a T3? =) If you want cogent then yes.

As far as Exodus' debt situation, I'm not worried one big as I said in my previous posts. If they "burn down" all we need to do is flip a switch and we can use Level3 or UUNet bandwidth. The customer won't feel a bump.

The T3 line is 45Mbits of bandwidth for colocation, it is not a T3 line to someone's house or business.

Our connectivity provider is Exodus Communications ( http://www.exodus.com ), the provider of choice for google.com, yahoo.com, mircosoft.com, priceline.com, lycos.com, msn.com and many other companies.I hate to bring this up, but you should really learn more about what you are promoting before you post:

Google - Not @ Exodus
Yahoo.com - Not @ Exodus
Microsoft.com - Not @ Exodus
Priceline.com - @ Exodus
Lycos.com - @ Exodus
MSN.com - Not @ Exodus

Just information.

RackMy, do a traceroute.

From my computer:

google above.net
yahoo exodus
microsoft sprint
priceline exodus
lycos exodus
msn sprint

This might be the only thing that pertains to the thread. Some of it is related but I'm not so sure all of this is needed and will take a look at it later as it is after 2am now...

What else is included in the $9900 prices?

Colocation Cabinet?
Cust. Support?
Remote Reboot?
Tech Support?


Jim

Hey Chicken,

Actually, Yahoo is at Level3.

Flip a switch, why dont you explain to me how you flip a switch to reroute all traffic and ip routing. YOU CAN NOT just flip a switch and reroute all traffic to another ISP it doesnt work like that. And in addition, a T3 to a house is the same as a T3 to a business, theres no difference.

Well, I think I found the major flaw in his theory.

If he's selling a full T3 for $9900 a month..

Thats $220 per mbps..

Now, since he's so cocky about exodus that leads me to believe that he's in a telco hotel, (a place where a bucha telco providers have lines run in)

So, he's going to get a lovley suprise when he swithces over to uunet when exodus goes down and they say he's going to have to pay double for that same bandwidth, or even to level3 which he wouldn't be able to buy that bandwidth for less than what he's selling it @

So guess what, everybodys' month to month 45mbps just goes up a couple thousand extra a month when exodus dies.

And to add onto the flipping a switch, thats total bs, ever heard of routing ip's perhaps, thats not instant you know.
Not to mention if you actually sold any of these you can't just flip over several hundred mbps to somebody elses network without signing a contract with them for it. Having them set everything in place, activating your circut etc.

T3 = How many GB and how many servers can I co locate?

Exodus CEO Resigns:

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7053395.html?tag=mn_hd

ViVEFX, what you see as Exodus bashing, I see as concern. Although this might not be the correct thread to discuss this issue, if you've watched their stocks, it *is* something to be concerned about (IMHO).

The people who posted have (in the past) gone into arrangements with other providers, and I can't limit their concerns, as I feel they are valid. As I said, Exodus' market trends might leave one leary:

Exodus' stock hit a high of $69 (52 week), was around $12/share in April, end of June $2, end of July $1.50, end of August at $1.20, last I checked $0.65.

People *may* need to be reassured that you have a backup plan before they even consider this offer, and I think that's reasonable, given the information I've seen over the past year. It is up to you whether you want to address the issue or not.

I'm not sure what you'd like me to do with the thread, but this information has been publicly reported, thus is not exactly 'bashing'.

"T3 = How many GB and how many servers can I co locate?"


GB - a whole lot, 300 * 45 = your number

servers, for a t3 I hope he's giving you like at least 5 racks :)
Unless you are running a big adult free host, theres no way you can use up 45 mbps without lots of servers.

Well... I do think Exodus is going to plunge. According to my source at Exodus in Dallas facility, they still have money to run until December. They are looking to raise some money, but .. I think that's going to be tough specially in market like this.

I think these next couple of months is going to be interesting.

We have a customer hosting a popular add-supported page
with backgrounds, screen savers etc on it and he cranks
out about 40Mbit constantly. All in 4 U :-) of rack space.


Sam

Also his comment about "flipping a switch" isn't to far off of the mark. If you are running BGP4 correctly and are multi-homed you can lose any one of your providers and still be ok. You routeing just becomes a little less effecient and you lose the bandwith you had into that provider however your network will still function perfectly

Thats true but hes obv. not running bgp and load balancing or he would have said that.

Originally posted by ViVEFX
I simply don't understand the bashing of Exodus.
I haven't read any news that officialy states Exodus is in debt. In my opinion these are rumors. Why would multi billion dollar reputable comapanies be using Exodus if they are in trouble.

Google.com, microsoft, yahoo etc.. must know more about this. I'm not one bit worried about Exodus' situation. Like I said before PSI.net went down last year and they still provide connectivity. Even if Exodus goes down, the connectivity will still exist under a different company name or the lines' owner.

Plus the T3s we are offering are no contract. You pay as you go. If you even want to move (which you won't since speed is amazing) you can always switch or plug into a different router to a different provider.

You should read their public financial filings. Any information on their debt would be there. Here is the latest from Yahoo.com:

EXODUS COMMS (NasdaqNM:EXDS) -
Last Trade
1:19PM · 0.42
-2.56 P/E

Here is the really good (funny in my opinion)

Leverage and Debt Obligations

We incurred a high degree of leverage to fund our capital expenditures, acquisitions and business expansion in general. As of June 30, 2001, our debt obligations were as follows (in millions):

Leverage and Debt Obligations

We incurred a high degree of leverage to fund our capital expenditures, acquisitions and business expansion in general. As of June 30, 2001, our debt obligations were as follows (in millions):


Balance at
Maturity Date June 30, 2001
------------- -------------
Senior Notes:
------------
Dollar-denominated 11 1/4% Notes 2008 $ 275.3
Euro-denominated 11 3/8% Notes 2008 $ 171.5 (Euro 200.0)
Dollar-denominated 10 3/4% Notes 2009 $ 375.0
Euro-denominated 10 3/4% Notes 2009 $ 107.2 (Euro 125.0)
Dollar-denominated 11 5/8% Notes 2010 $1,000.0
------------------
$1,929.0

Convertible Subordinated Notes:
5% Notes 2006 $ 52.0
4 3/4% Notes 2008 $ 500.0
5 1/4% Notes 2008 $ 575.0
------------------
$1,127.0

Other Debt Obligations: Varies $ 461.1
---------------------- --------

Total Debt Obligations $3,517.1



This table may not copy well, but the most important part is the bottom line. It reads: 3,517.1 Million in total Debt, or approximately $3.5 BILLION. Ouch. Suddently carrying a balence on my credit card doesn't seem so bad...

This is from their latest quarterly filing on August 14th:

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/010814/exds.html

So, its not a rumor. Its fact - scary fact. Can you say "All Hands Abandon Ship!" ?

Good luck,

Brian