The full story is here http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/national/main579649.shtml and the video clip can be found here http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index2&cid=979 titled Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty


(AP) A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow them."

He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the ... Contd. here http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/national/main579649.shtml


A quote from the navy captain ..
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of our own. 70% of the men are dying and you'r doing nothing, begging for support and you give none, To me this is the classic ALL AMERICA COVER-UP! "

I doubt very many people would be surprised :)

LBJ should've had the navy return fire or declare war on Isreal. Any country who attacks an American or Canadian ship, friend or foe, needs a kick in the rear.

Unfortunately LBJ was a spineless dupe who was there as a yes man to Kennedy. He was never able to make a competant decision without breaking down and almost left the white house in a straight jacket over Vietnam.
To hear that he would cover something like this up along with McNamara comes as no suprise at all.

The attack on the Liberty was *never* covered up.

The entire incident was wrapped up in a process of Cold War decision making, which related to a variety of important destabilising political factors in the region at the time.

The issue of the Liberty is usually thrown up by pro-Palestinian supporters to attack Israeli-American relations - - - and not least promote the idea that the USA is run by a secret Jewish conspiracy. It's a common notion in Islamic Fundamentalism at the moment.

The issue of the Liberty is usually thrown up by pro-Palestinian supporters to attack Israeli-American relations - - - and not least promote the idea that the USA is run by a secret Jewish conspiracy. It's a common notion in Islamic Fundamentalism at the moment. The world used to have a lot of respect, admiration and gratitude for the US. It was not commanded by force, it was earned by standing up against Hitler, helping Europe and other places reconstruct and by sending Peace Corps to the poor nations. The US was loved universally. Today it is universally despised, mainly due to its lopsided support for Israel which seems to grossly misguide its foreign policy and totally control its propaganda and war machines. Is Israel of such strategic importance to the US to risk alienating the rest of the world? Probably not. Therefore, something else is at play here.

It's interesting only the U.S. supports Isreal, from outside the U.S., Isreal is also not liked very much.

Originally posted by brav0
The world used to have a lot of respect, admiration and gratitude for the US. It was not commanded by force, it was earned by standing up against Hitler, helping Europe and other places reconstruct and by sending Peace Corps to the poor nations. The US was loved universally. Today it is universally despised, mainly due to its lopsided support for Israel which seems to grossly misguide its foreign policy and totally control its propaganda and war machines. Is Israel of such strategic importance to the US to risk alienating the rest of the world? Probably not. Therefore, something else is at play here.
Originally posted by KimmiKat
It's interesting only the U.S. supports Isreal, from outside the U.S., Isreal is also not liked very much.

The USA has only become a victim of-its own medicine because of the support for Israel and double standards it has.

:rolleyes:

If you want to listen to audio tapes recorded by the US agents (intercepted tapes), of Israeli radio contact during the attack, you can clearly hear that they didn't know it was a US ship. It was a case of mistaken identity. it happens. The US bombed a group of canadian soldiers, mistaken identity.

Xshare;i assume, you're from Israel.
I’m sure you can come up with those tapes, because i already read about them, but they didn't change the beliefs of many people that the ship wasn't sunk by accident, anyhow, American bias to Israel is very clear, for example, why did it help Israel in Yum Kippur day war- 40 tanks per day, phantom fighters with their American pilots were sent daily, with the total was 23,000 tons of supplies, making it the world biggest air bridge ever , was it by accident too?-- Source Henry Kissinger

and i think no Muslim or pro-palatine propaganda will change this situation, it's USA interest to leave things as they are now.

Well when you have people called Perle, Fleischer, Chertoff, Wolferwitz, Zakheim, Lefkowitz, Kissinger etc. advising the Presidents it's not much of a suprise. Why do you think the USA was the only one to go against the UN with this Israeli prison wall thing recently.

Originally posted by I, Brian


The issue of the Liberty is usually thrown up by pro-Palestinian supporters to attack Israeli-American relations - - - and not least promote the idea that the USA is run by a secret Jewish conspiracy. It's a common notion in Islamic Fundamentalism at the moment.
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This always crack me up. People who think they know what they are talking about by using the buzzword "Islamic fundamentalism". Look at the two words - dissect the meaning of the word fundamentalism and you'll realize there is no such thing - another stupid phrase drummed up by the media. The concept of "islamic fundamentalism" is FUNDAMENTALLY wrong...

If you still can't figure it out Brian, I'd be happy to help you dissect it :)

In any case...as for the cover up... there are many things that are covered up by all governments and this could very well be one of them... on the other hand it could very well be a case of mistaken identity as suggested by someone...

Originally posted by Web Rhino
...why did it help Israel in Yum Kippur day war..

Because the soviets were helping the arabs. Cold war era.

Originally posted by speedy007h
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This always crack me up. People who think they know what they are talking about by using the buzzword "Islamic fundamentalism". Look at the two words - dissect the meaning of the word fundamentalism and you'll realize there is no such thing - another stupid phrase drummed up by the media. The concept of "islamic fundamentalism" is FUNDAMENTALLY wrong...

If you still can't figure it out Brian, I'd be happy to help you dissect it :)

In any case...as for the cover up... there are many things that are covered up by all governments and this could very well be one of them... on the other hand it could very well be a case of mistaken identity as suggested by someone...


Main Entry: Is·lam
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic islAm submission (to the will of God)
Date: 1817
1 : the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet
2 a : the civilization erected upon Islamic faith b : the group of modern nations in which Islam is the dominant religion
- Is·lam·ic /is-'lä-mik, iz-, -'la-/ adjective
- Is·lam·ics /-miks/ noun plural but singular or plural in construction

Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal·ism
Function: noun
Date: 1922
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles
- fun·da·men·tal·ist /-t&l-ist/ noun
- fundamentalist or fun·da·men·tal·is·tic /-"men-t&l-'is-tik/ adjective


How is the term fundamentally wrong?

Also, I want to point out, Why the f-iz-uck would Israel bomb an American ship, ON PURPOSE!! They are their own friend and ally in the troubled region (or were at that time). What could they gain by intentionally bombing an american ship? And don't gimme any bull**** about Israel being evil.

Originally posted by blue27
Main Entry: Is·lam
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic islAm submission (to the will of God)
Date: 1817
1 : the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet
2 a : the civilization erected upon Islamic faith b : the group of modern nations in which Islam is the dominant religion
- Is·lam·ic /is-'lä-mik, iz-, -'la-/ adjective
- Is·lam·ics /-miks/ noun plural but singular or plural in construction

Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal·ism
Function: noun
Date: 1922
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles
- fun·da·men·tal·ist /-t&l-ist/ noun
- fundamentalist or fun·da·men·tal·is·tic /-"men-t&l-'is-tik/ adjective


How is the term fundamentally wrong?


This is how it's fundamentally wrong. Looking at the definitions you have provided:

Everytime the term Islamic fundamentalism is used, it's used to imply terrorism. So what they are implying is that the FUNDAMENTALS of Islam are terrorism are they not?

1 : the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet

That's the MAIN fundamental in islam (it's 1 of only 5 fundamentals).

So when someone says something like

" The issue of the Liberty is usually thrown up by pro-Palestinian supporters to attack Israeli-American relations - - - and not least promote the idea that the USA is run by a secret Jewish conspiracy. It's a common notion in Islamic Fundamentalism at the moment. "

How exactly did "Jewish conspiracy" become a fundamental of Islam?


That's how the term is fundamentally wrong...

I agree with the above. The term is wrong. However what I believe it was meant to convey is the fact that many of the "terrorists" use core islamic beliefs to justify their evil, which is simply a shame.

xshare: exactly. the term itself is wrong and it does a disservice to the religion because hearing it over and over again makes it synonymous with terrorism. Since most in the media don't know any better, they don't stop to think about what it means. Same thing goes when I hear about "fundamentalists" of other religions - a "fundamentalist" from ANY religion would not be a bad person - since ALL religions advocate peace, a fundamentalist of any religion would only follow the very best ideals of that religion. A Christian fundamentalist therefore would be a strict believer of the 10 commandments, Jesus Christ as his savior, etc. (From what little I know about the religion of Christianity :) )

The term is not wrong, it's the application of it that is wrong, the same way that the very people some call fundamentalists mis-interpret the teachings of Islam and the Muslim faith.

blue27: OK I guess that's what I was trying to say is that the use of the term Islamic fundamentalism as it's most commonly used is wrong...

Xshare;
USSR didn't send planes carrying tanks to Egypt, or never sent pilots to fight for Egypt ,did it??
soviet just warned USA with a nuclear war, AFTER USA deployed it's supplies to Israel please read the "the crises" book by Henry Kissinger, you will find that although he was the main factor for USA bias to Israel then, he mentioned that the administration KNEW that Israel IS OCUPING Arab lands, and that Israel is on the wrong side.
Supplies where deployed after Israel said it will use it's nuclear weapons, this was mentioned in the conversation between Henry and the Israeli prime Minster, who was crying into tears on phone, also the book mentioned how Kissinger told Israel to break the sis fire and do anything to make the situation better , also known as -Sharon media stunt.