What do you guys recommend? I love windows 2000, after all the crappy releases of the windows series, i have been very pleased with the windows 2000. I have read somewhere that XP was built on win2k technology and i used XP before, but not for long. They seem very similar except for the graphical effects of Win XP.

So what do you guys think?

I say switch...
I use XP but I don't like windows so I say its crappy but don't listen to me.

The reason I say switch is because its the latest windows and programs/games are made for it.

they might run on 2000 but still...

Im not a big fan of windows either, i use it on the work machine.

I would recommend the upgrade. I have used both extensively and I prefer WinXp.

(XP) Does it hog even more resources the the preceding windows series?

(XP) Does it hog even more resources the the preceding windows series? Probably :D


But from my expirence its the best windows yet. (and its still crappy)

No. XP itself is a large program but it has better memory management than any previous versions.

websterworld, I'm curious to find out why you find it "crappy".
What exactly are you basing your opinion on?

Originally posted by blue27
No. XP itself is a large program but it has better memory management than any previous versions. Thanks for your opinion, looks like ill be giving it a try sometime.

Well, I'd say stick with 2K Pro... I mean, really, when you look at it, after you removed all the bloatwares, spywares, and the ugly mac-ish interface MS put in, you get yourself something very similar to a Win 2K Pro station... Not worth the few hundred bucks for the new license if you ask me...

Originally posted by Alfarin
Well, I'd say stick with 2K Pro... I mean, really, when you look at it, after you removed all the bloatwares, spywares, and the ugly mac-ish interface MS put in, you get yourself something very similar to a Win 2K Pro station... Not worth the few hundred bucks for the new license if you ask me... Thats what i was thinking since XP was built on 2000 technology, and they are awefully similar.

I keep hearing about bloatwares and spywares. Could someone be more specific? I haven't removed anything from my version of XP.

I still prefer win2k. WinXP is to much bloatware for my tastes. Too much unnecssary services. I can only get it to about 100MB memory usage, but I can get win2k down to like 56-60MB.

Anyways, just my opinion. When I got my computer awhile back, it had XP on it, and I formatted after 28 hours of messing with it.

Originally posted by blue27
No. XP itself is a large program but it has better memory management than any previous versions.

websterworld, I'm curious to find out why you find it "crappy".
What exactly are you basing your opinion on?


Well, this is going to be long...

One reason is that I have to use it.
I wish I could switch to Linux or free BSD but then programs won't work.

This is the way I see it, Bill stole windows from Steve Jobs (APPLE) who stole it from XEROX.

He was the first to start selling and since there was nothing like it at the time it was a "smash hit", using clever marketing other OS's got left behind. (Like IBM's OS)

And Microsoft didn't have to break a sweat since Windows 95.
Since over 95% PC's around the world run it they don't have to worry.

Programs and games are written for it.
And that's exactly what's the problem with other OS's, IBM's OS failed because no one wrote programs for it, and because windows programs won't run on it.

(Actually from what I understand they did work but Microsoft kept changing things so when they put out a new version of their OS IBM was always a step behind)

MAC has its one nice little niche, since you have to buy the computer. The OS will not run on regular PC's...

Linux is great but has the same problem, there are far less programs/games for it then for windows.

It’s not used by enough people to create a standard for programmers to make Linux version of their programs.

There is WINE and I heard of a thing that lets you run some games on Linux but it’s still a big problem.

So what we have here is, people forced to use windows or having a big pain in the ass switching. Not to mention if their company who paid millions to get it running on all their computers.

So old Bill can do about what ever he likes with windows.

That alone angers me and is enough to call windows crappy.



Another thing is, that windows is infact crappy.
While UNIX was made in the spare time of Great programmers that had no marketing vision in mind, by the same people that were making computer science. And Linux is based on UNIX...

Windows is badly written and marketing controls everything in it.


Did you know why there is NTFS file systems?
Because bill wanted to have its own global file system that's why.


Let’s see how windows works, shell we?

Everyday hundreds of new viruses are out, forcing us to pay for programs like Norton Anti-Virus.

The IE browser which sucks and outlook?


Think about it, your looking all the time for programs that replace the once that come with windows because windows isn't working good.


It crashes a lot, while on Linux you can go for months without a hiccup...


You get my point?



NOTE: This is just my opinion, and I may be wrong.
Also, I'm not sure how accurate what I posted is. (About the history and all that) so don't catch me on the word so to speak.

Originally posted by blue27
I keep hearing about bloatwares and spywares. Could someone be more specific? I haven't removed anything from my version of XP.


Ok, good Q.
I Think I have an answer that proves a good point.

"Bill and Microsoft have to much power and can do what ever they want. another reason why windows is crappy."

Theres a number of suspect services in XP as well as known ones that report back to Microsoft about what you do on your PC.

Go to: http://blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Alerter

Now tell me, is that normal?
Will a normal OS put SH*T like that to take up resources?


XP Antispy - http://www.xpantispy.org

This free program disables a lot of SH*T that you certinally dont need via a tick list that you have full control over.

Each option is fully explained & undoable. ;)

websterworld, I still don't see your point. Everything you descibed is a shortcoming of other operating systems. Nothing you said is a reason to think that Windows is "crap". It just makes other operating systems look inferior.

I wish I could switch to Linux or free BSD but then programs won't work.

Programs and games are written for it.

MAC has its one nice little niche, since you have to buy the computer. The OS will not run on regular PC's...

Linux is great but has the same problem, there are far less programs/games for it then for windows.

I don't see anything in these statements that make Windows seem like a bad program.

The IE browser which sucks and outlook?
I use both of these programs and both have performed flawlessly. Again, can you provide some specifics on why they are "bad"?


It crashes a lot, while on Linux you can go for months without a hiccup...

I have been running WinXP for over a year on the same computer and have never had a forced reboot.

Theres a number of suspect services in XP as well as known ones that report back to Microsoft about what you do on your PC.
What services are you talking about. I can think of many types of software that will log on to the home site for updates etc. Are they all bad? Can't you just disable the update feature on all of them?

I would still like to see someone produce tangible reasons why Windows is so bad, other than the fact they think Bill Gates is a bad guy and Microsoft makes too much money.

I love my XP :)

XP is a stable operating system. Sure it has its issues, but then so does every single piece of software ever produced. There's always things about programs and OS' that bug certain people, and that will always exist because the world is so diverse. People have different needs for it, and a lot of people choose to bash certain programs and OS' because it doesn't meet their high expectations, while others have different issues that may or may not be bad.

But, that's where opinion and choice come in. You have a choice of what you want to use. Granted, XP does have a lot of unnecessary services and small programs running in the background, but at least if you shut them down you don't freeze or stop your computer like previous versions of Windows.

Still, I'm quite happy with XP. If there's an issue I have, I find ways to resolve it and not go off whining about it's imperfections. Just my thoughts on it.

Back on topic, I think you'll be fine either way, 2K or XP. Both essentially are built off the same technology, it's really a matter of personal preference.

Regards,
Mark

XP Pro - Corporate Edition

I like the new XP windows and effects. It's all eye candy to me, which is just fine :) I use linux too, but I usually use Win2k fo the programs. I am going to keep 2k until the next windows come out.

Originally posted by etogre
I like the new XP windows and effects. It's all eye candy to me, which is just fine :) I use linux too, but I usually use Win2k fo the programs. I am going to keep 2k until the next windows come out. I might consider long horn if it doesn't require so much bloody system requirements... Have you guys read the reviews? I think it needs at least 1Gb ram or something like that...

When it's released, 2GB DDR ram will be standard ;)

At least I hope so :D

Put me down for XP Pro, as well! It runs so much better than 2K. On all the systems I've run it on, from my 300mhz laptop, to my brothers 2Ghz, to my own 550mhz computer; it runs so much faster, consistently, than 2K.

It has been a lot more stable for me, as well as compatible with older games and programs, whereas 2K is not.

Heck, I have my desktop looking like the standard/plain 2K look, but for me XP has always performed better.

Originally posted by IHSL
XP Pro - Corporate Edition I wonder if Interactive Hosting is a large corporation that has enough employees and computers and revenue needed to be elgible for Corporate Edition's of XP.

Shenanigans I tell ya.

Linux -- Oh wait that wasn't an option :P

If you must choose a win product, then go with XP Pro. Sure, it's a bit costly, but you'll thank yourself in the end.

2k, I've dealt with, and it's got a LOT of driver problems. XP I haven't found to have those (yet). I've yet to plug something into this thing that XP doesn't recognize.

2k has a lot of internal problems, XP I can keep up and running for quite some time (weeks in fact), though it's always best to boot a Win pc, memory issues seem to run rampant in the Win software development category. XP's made some serious improvements, though I'm still all for Linux network wise.

Originally posted by blue27
websterworld, I still don't see your point. Everything you descibed is a shortcoming of other operating systems. Nothing you said is a reason to think that Windows is "crap". It just makes other operating systems look inferior.

I don't see anything in these statements that make Windows seem like a bad program.

The IE browser which sucks and outlook?
I use both of these programs and both have performed flawlessly. Again, can you provide some specifics on why they are "bad"?

It crashes a lot, while on Linux you can go for months without a hiccup...

I have been running WinXP for over a year on the same computer and have never had a forced reboot.

I would still like to see someone produce tangible reasons why Windows is so bad, other than the fact they think Bill Gates is a bad guy and Microsoft makes too much money.


That's right, you didn't get my point.
I talked about other OS's and showed that they are better.

But that I have to use windows.

So my point is, that:

A) Have to use it - Like my freedom.
B) The other OS's are better... (but I have to use it)
c) Because of A and B microsoft can do what ever it wants and still sell more copies of windows.

They don't NEED to work on and imrove windows.
WHATEVER they do, people will still use it.




Why is IE bad?

Viruses!
POP UPS!

Lots and lots of viruses use IE against you.
Not to mention hackers that can gain control of your computer even if you are not using IE at the moment but simply HAVE it.

Its plain unsecure. and that's bad.


So you say that XP never crashed on you, and you never got any viruses or spywere or popups on your computer, ever?

Well if that's the case that your damn lucky.
Because I have sufferd from this a lot...



Why do you guys like XP so much?

Yes, microsoft is improving.
XP is not a DOS based OS... its way better then windows 95/98.

And if you will notice, microsoft is building in more and more programs.

It comes with: Browser, FTP, Player (Video & Sound files), Chat client, Email client...

Makes the OS look good doesn't it?



But the fact is, that windows is not a good performance OS.
It works worse then Linux or free BSD or Mac OS.

And the fact is, that you still use it since you got no choise.
And the fact is, that since you still use it, and its not the best, means that it microsoft have no reason to imrove. they still get paid.

I don't want to get less, but I have to use it. I consider that bad.



I don't think Bill is a bad guy, I never met him.
I think that he has a lot of power but that his stupid. ;)


I didn't "descibe shortcomings of other operating systems"
I descibed how other operating systems are better but that we have to use windows.


"What services are you talking about. I can think of many types of software that will log on to the home site for updates etc. Are they all bad? Can't you just disable the update feature on all of them?"

I gave a link, take the time to read it.
There is a big list there of KNOWNEN services.

I would switch, WindowsXP has the shortest boot time comparing to Win2000 and it's very stable.

Beside what blue27 said, I would like to add some more.

Eventhough WindowsXP is built on an enormous commercial motivation, doesn't mean that the codes are "crappy." And yet, did you see the codes yourself to call it crappy?
Talking about bugs, do you see how often RedHat send emails notifying of new errata in their OS? and yet RedHat is still one of the leading Unix based OS.

Did you know why there is NTFS file systems?
Because bill wanted to have its own global file system that's why.

This would be a very lame statement. NTFS is a journaling file system, to eliminate data corruption like lost clusters in those older non-journaling file system (FATXX). What the heck does it mean: they want their own "global file system" ? :eek: So, Unix guys must have wanted to make SEVERAL OWN GLOBAL file system already... ?? bleh.

I feel like I am wasting time replying so I will make it short. For those who call Windows crappy / sucks... just quit using it and stop whining. I have a feeling people think it will make them look cool / intelligent / 1337 when they talk down on Windows and praise unix-base OSes. But it doesn't, without careful analysis to back their opinions, it just make them look ridiculous.

ML

You've got your opinion...

I wish I could switch, but games and most programs won't run on linux.

FAT was 16-bit now its 32-bit.
NTFS is more modern and supports compressing of files. And better and longer file names. its probably better.

But I can't help but think that it was created with a lot of marketing in mind....

I don't like XP because it doesn't treat me good. Its slow and in the past it crashed a lot.

And the fact that I can't switch to linux makes me mad that's all.

Its just my opinion.

There ARE emulators that will run windows programs under Lin, however, most aren't supported as of yet. Give it a few years and I have a feeling that we'll see a great bit of breakthrough in that department.

Originally posted by IHSL
XP Pro - Corporate Edition
LOL!

Speaking of that...I found this picture the other day.

[Edit]: I blurred out more of the serial # so I dont get in trouble. See below/next page for the pic.

I know, there is WINE and stuff like that.
And I heard of a thing that lets you run a few hundred good windows games belive it or not...

I sure hope there will be an answer for this in a few years :)

codywatkins - good one :D

Here it is :D

They can track you down now easy. :)
They know your site: www.paradoxwebhosting.com

BUSTED!!! :D

Originally posted by codywatkins
Here it is :D LOL! :D

Originally posted by websterworld
They can track you down now easy. :)
They know your site: www.paradoxwebhosting.com

BUSTED!!! :D
AHHHH!!! *panics*
*packs up and buys plane ticket to south pole*


:D :D

I came across that image on one of those "funny images" websites. Couldn't stop laughing for like 10 minutes!!

Yeah, right!
Tell it to the judge...

I'm an undercover microsoft worker, and your under windows arrest! :D

I don't get what's so funny about someone holding a home made cd in front of the Windows sign.
If it's real then it just shows some warez loser. If it's a fake, what's so funny?

definately win XP - I hated the 2000 version.. but that's just me...

Originally posted by codywatkins
Here it is :D Welcome to August 2001. :)