Hi!

I have been looking at Verio's Dedicated Server offerings every now and then since they (digitalnation) used to have a very good reputation for their network connection and support on boards like this one. The prices were always a little steep which prevented me from trying them so far.

Now I found this offering on their webpage (http://www.verio.com/products/dedicated/packages/linux.cfm) and thought that the price for the Linux 1.0 server is acceptable (PIII-600, 128MB,9GB SCSI,50GB traffic for US$250 startup + US$175 monthly). So I decided to send them an email asking for the price for a 100Mbps Ethernet connection and if I could have RedHat 7.1 pre-installed instead of RedHat 6.2 (Please do not tell me that RedHat 6.2 is much more reliable, etc. - I just need RedHat 7.1).

I got the answer that I would have to install RedHat 7.1 myself (!) and that they would not pre-install it on the server. Now how am I supposed to do this remotely? While there might be a way it seems close to impossible to me.

They would also require me to pay an additional US$195 startup and US$195 monthly for a 100mbps Ethernet connection (instead of 10mbps Ethernet).

Did anyone around here get any better deals with Verio? Does anybods know any sales rep at Verio I can talk to who has other answers?

Are there any good Verio resellers?


Thanks for your help!

kryps

well
I would assume you'd have to make your way down there ? :(

and install it yourself?

I dont know how else you would install rh 7.1 on it

Just an idea but why not CoLo a server and you install redhat 7.1. I can also say you are right verio's network is great 0 down time in 12 months with them. I don't think they do 1 or 2 U colo only 1/3 and full racks as far as i know.. <<EDIT>>

Originally posted by node9
well
I would assume you'd have to make your way down there ? :(

and install it yourself?

I dont know how else you would install rh 7.1 on it

The problem is that I am from Germany.

Thus installing it there myself or shipping a server is out of the question. :(

-- kryps

Ok here is an idea why not buy a server in the us like have a host build you one.. <<EDIT>>
Cheaper then a Ded server in the long run and you could have them setup RedHAt 7.1 off the bat..

Or

If you have a friend in the US near the NOC who is nice enough to go there FOR You and install it, that'd be great......

Or, have your US friend purchase the server. and you pay him personally..

Just an idea

Or hey

YOu could look into acsdatanet.com, I remember when i was talking to clint he was telling me he'd gladly install ANY os for me, if i were to purcahse one of his dedicated server packages.. That'd be great for you, since he has cheap pricings, and they use pajo.com, and i'm sure pajo.com is very fast..... (based on what ive seen)

kryps,

but other than that, you could have taken that server as a stand-alone server (aka: your first and only server with them)?

Because it says "Additional Servers" and my impression was that you would first need to get one of the "Standard" or "Advanced" servers ($395 ++) before you can get an "additional" server for $175?

Hi!

No. That impression seems to be wrong according to a mail I got from Verio when I asked the exact same question:

1. This Offer is good for new customers as well.

I think they should clarify that on their webpage.


-- kryps

Thanks, that is great. I will look into that one, too.

The uptime at verio is superb as far as I can tell. We have a dedicated there for almost two years now (a 64 MB AMD LOL) which was hardly ever down (3-4 times and just a half day in total, most of it caused through us).

I just asked them the same question (about RedHat 7.x) and basically they said that they didn't find 7.x stable enough, so they're currently using heavily upgraded 6.2 (2.4 kernel, etc).

As far as service - we've had servers with them for about 3.5 years now, and are currently going to move up to new one (hardware prices drop, so we can get a faster server for same money). I can only describe their service as "excellent".

--Vitaliy

Got one :)

175/month is SWEET for that reliability, and 50 burstable GB (10 MBit) are included. Of course, if you ask for additional stuff like hardware and IP's you'll be up with the prices soon.

Thanks, kryps, for the info,

I was looking into that 295/month Sun deal over there already and was close to ordering that one but this one fits my needs (Linux) much better not mention that it is considerabely cheaper hehe..

Originally posted by Erich
Got one :)

175/month is SWEET for that reliability, and 50 burstable GB (10 MBit) are included. Of course, if you ask for additional stuff like hardware and IP's you'll be up with the prices soon.

That is what I thought but an additional US$ 195 for a 100mbps connection (without any additional traffic) seems a bit steep to me. This effectively more than doubles the price of the server.

And they were not willing to install RedHat 7.1 for any price. Instead they want me to use their proprietary beefed-up RedHat 6.2 :(.

-- kryps

Originally posted by vitaliyf
I just asked them the same question (about RedHat 7.x) and basically they said that they didn't find 7.x stable enough, so they're currently using heavily upgraded 6.2 (2.4 kernel, etc).

The problem with that is that no software company will support their software running on a heavily upgraded RedHat 6.2. Thus if you want to use (commercial) third-party software you are stuck.

I would agree with installing a (security-patched) RedHat 6.2 as the default operating system for most customers but they should be a bit more flexible when it comes to pleasing a customer. I explicitly said that I do not expect any support nor advanced configuration from them for RedHat 7.1. I just need them to install it and hook it up to the network. I would do the rest.


As far as service - we've had servers with them for about 3.5 years now, and are currently going to move up to new one (hardware prices drop, so we can get a faster server for same money). I can only describe their service as "excellent".


That is why I considered them in the first place.

-- kryps

Yes it only stays such a nice deal as long as you leave it like that. It will work very well for my needs, but I understand that you need other specifications.

The difference of a 10 or 100 MBit connection seems to be important for you. Would that mean that you're expecting to have quite a bit of traffic on that server then? My new "hosting environment" consists out of 2 servers, each one with 10 MBit, on 2 different hosts. Sure, a 100 MBit server could burst to more but will I ever burst that much, I mean how important would it be for a mid size traffic level of about 50 or perhaps up to 300 GB/month?

But speed is very well a concern for me, too, right after reliability, so should I look into having to upgrade to 100 MBit if I reach more than XXX GB/month on both servers combined?

(Sorry for my ignorance, I am not a hosting guy, I always have someone doing the finish on the server setup...)

I would consider the type of my traffic to be pretty constant with daily ups and downs but not too hefty, and at this time well below 50 GB/month

You could always upgrade 6.2 to 7.x by yourself (download all RPMs once you get access), or just upgrade parts that you need to basically bring it up to 7.x level. Actually, my server with them which was originally 6.0, is probably somewhere in the middle between 6.2 and 7.1 right now because of all the things I've upgraded over the years.

--Vitaliy