I just wanted to know which is the best CP available now.
Ensim, Webmion, Cpanel, Please or.....
Which CP provides best solution for the Admin, site owner and user.
Please mention there +ve and -ve parts.

Originally posted by jolly
I just wanted to know which is the best CP available now.
Ensim, Webmion, Cpanel, Please or.....
Which CP provides best solution for the Admin, site owner and user.
Please mention there +ve and -ve parts.

My suggestion, is to stay as far away from Cpanel as possible. If you think it's any good, you probably don't have the knowledge to run a web host anyway and should save the money. No offense, but I'm honestly telling, that if you aren't qualified enough to make that decision to stay away from bad programs, you probably aren't to run a web host. Of course, everyone makes mistakes and people have made the mistake to use Cpanel and are all (everyone I know of) trying to move away from it as quickly as possible. You can refer to this thread for some info about Plesk vs. Cpanel for some information and opinions:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19005

Webmin is okay, it's free and can be modified with ease. Ensim seems okay, but feels a little weird. There's also Plesk and Sphera (or whatever it's called) and a fe others. Plus, there's a good number of free one's out there that aren't too bad at all. Do a search using the relevant key words with your favorite search engine and you should find a lot of choices. Good luck.

cpanel differntly is not the way to go. a very poorly written program. I have decided to move away from it myself now. I am going to use probably Plesk but maybe Ensim.

Well each panel has its own market, plus its own other stuff.

Cpanel, not a big fan, but many like the custimization.

Plesk very stable, not the best looking, PSA 2 is solid.

Ensim, well has its bugs but can do a good job

Sphere, High end, different game

It really depends on what you want, they all are there own beast, and all have a role somewhere

Joe

Aloha

Have you looked at plesk ?
I lke the fact it is clean and seems to have very good support
Ensim seems to be my second choice
besides that the others seem to homemade to me
(sorry if I have not seen some others that might be out there ????)
but these are the main ones

I actually like the way hostpro has there stuff setup for there accounts

I agree, CPanel is a little bit buggy but their development team is doing a great job in fixing bugs and adding features every day. I know that NOCSoft (the successor of CPanel) will be a lot more stable and will have more features than Plesk or Ensim.

I've tried Plesk on a server used for testing purposes and i really don't like the way it messes up the configuration files. I'm not sure if they fixed it in the new version. :(

Originally posted by Kiwi
I agree, CPanel is a little bit buggy but their development team is doing a great job in fixing bugs and adding features every day. I know that NOCSoft (the successor of CPanel) will be a lot more stable and will have more features than Plesk or Ensim.

I've tried Plesk on a server used for testing purposes and i really don't like the way it messes up the configuration files. I'm not sure if they fixed it in the new version. :(

I'm not going to say with any certainty (that wouldn't be right) about this, however; Look at it this way, you're looking at the same developer here. Okay, so that's not (everything), but it's (something pretty significant). Nonetheless, from what I have (and from very good sources -- no I'm not making this up), that it's basically being coded in the same sloppy way and will basically be the same result. Moreover, this is what I'd expect anyway. If I take my car in to have it repaired and it comes out totaled and positively borken machanically, I'm not going to take my car to the same shop.

However, people are free to believe things will be better and "done right" the second time around. You never know... I just don't see that happening. Hopefully though, things will work out well and no more people will have to put up with such gross incompetance in the developement orf a product. I just honestly never saw anything in the first product that would indicate any quality, other than free scripts thrown in that weren't any good anyway.

I'm just being honest here, but again, hopefully for a lot of people, I'll be wrong -- but again, I'm fairly certain I won't be given certain aspects and variables (a good amlunt obvious, whilst other aspects I'm not at liberty to discuss at this time). Nonetheless, good luck with the second round everyone. I sincerely do hope it works out for everyone and it's long overdue. Thanks.. and cheers! :-)

Obviously, I am getting too upset about this stupid program, and I'm being reckless with my typing. I'll end on that note... people can reason whatever they want as to how much better it's going to be, or how bad it isn't.. maybe those people are luckier than they realize...

How is webmin CP?
Is it bug free or have problems with it. Although its free :)

Originally posted by Honu
Aloha

I actually like the way hostpro has there stuff setup for there accounts

How would that be?

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Obviously, I am getting too upset about this stupid program, and I'm being reckless with my typing. I'll end on that note... people can reason whatever they want as to how much better it's going to be, or how bad it isn't.. maybe those people are luckier than they realize...

Tim, which control panels do you like or prefer? You seem to have a lot of experience with this, any thing else to shed light about the other CP's that you like.

Originally posted by mikeknoxv


How would that be?

Aloha

well just clean and simple and what most people need
also they run a virt server thing so you can actually access your own conf files etc... on a account
anyway can do some screen grabs if ya want
let me know can do em and post em up

Personally, I would watch CPanel (DarkOrb), Plesk, and Ensim over the next few months. They are all making great progress and I believe there will be some impressive work coming out in the near future. I know DarkOrb is making good progress with it's CPanel (although the quality of work is still yet to be decided, or in Tim's case, it already is :D ). Plesk 2.0 is so much better than 1.0, although I feel it's too little too late. The features in Plesk 2.0 were direly needed a while back. I agree it is nice to have things done the right way the first time, especially in terms of stability, but being left in the dust for features isn't a good selling point either. Ensim is also promising new versions of their software in the next few months, just as DarkOrb is. It will truly be interesting to see who comes out on top, in terms of features, stability, and price.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
If you think it's any good, you probably don't have the knowledge to run a web host anyway and should save the money. No offense, but I'm honestly telling, that if you aren't qualified enough to make that decision to stay away from bad programs, you probably aren't to run a web host.

Come on Tim, until recently JaguarPC was also using CPanel.
I am not happy with CPanel, too, but I think your comment was a bit harsh.

Originally posted by Walter


Come on Tim, until recently JaguarPC was also using CPanel.
I am not happy with CPanel, too, but I think your comment was a bit harsh.

You misunderstood what I meant. This was about knowing how bad it is... and using it anyway, knowing. Once you're stuck with it, you'll certainly have to find an alternative. This is what Jaguar is doing. Why? Because we don't like to have our client's hosting quality to be compromised for some trashy program. I don't think you or anyone else here would give them a less than quality program either, which is why so many are seeking an alternative. I apologize if that came out wrong and sounded that way. It's not like I don't let them know how much I hate it too. *l*

CPanel is actually a cheap solution. Compared to other solutions, such as Plesk, which comes out to $799 (including a year's worth of updates), CPanel can be "leased" for only around $100/month. This is probably why you see more new companies using CPanel rather than Plesk.

Although, in the long run, you will end up paying less for Plesk's one time deal.

Unless you are only thinking ahead to the next 8 months, I don't see how you could say it is a cheap solution compared to Plesk??? For one, that is the full price for plesk, off the web site. For another thing, if you have more than one server, the cost is multiplied exponentially.

Now I'm not saying one is better than the other. That is for you to decide. You should weigh cost with what it does for you. Example: If Cpanel brings in twice as many customers, etc.

Cost is relative.

It is a cheap solution in the way that you are not paying $800 up front. Do you think $100/month is easier to pay than $800? Notice the last line of my previous post.

Although, in the long run, you will end up paying less for Plesk's one time deal.

Many will know me on here to be a large backer of ensim, and in the past I would say that ensim was solid.

After partnering with Plesk and getting a server up with Plesk 2 on it, Overall what a product.

I have been playing with it for about 2 days hardcore, and I must say wow. I have demod about all the panels.

As a stand alone product Plesk 2 I think is the best panel out. Stable, almost bug free (everything always has a bug somewhere) and just solid. It offers more fuctionality then I really needed, giving the client alot of power. I think cpanel though not bad lacks the stability of being solid.

Plesk 2 really shows what a panel should do and the simplicity. Its a panel, you shouldnt live in there. Its simple, to the point and just gets the job done. There is a little custimization but has the features to perform all the tasks that are needed. Gives the admin 'God' like power assigning rights to end users.

End users get the latest in whats out there to run there web site at top speed and solid performace.

Also FreeBSD and a little tweaking keeps the server xtra secure and optimized

Overall regardless of whats out there right now, we are on par that we will move to migrate all servers to plesk. Im proud to say that i tried it out. On first glance most ive showed this too are like are you kiddin me, then after they get in there, its a shocking site....

Joe

Originally posted by mikeknoxv
It is a cheap solution in the way that you are not paying $800 up front. Do you think $100/month is easier to pay than $800? Notice the last line of my previous post.

Although, in the long run, you will end up paying less for Plesk's one time deal. If you're just starting out and can't afford $800, you can get a 30 domain license for Plesk for $200.

When you commit to a complex piece of software like a control panel, you're investing more than just money.

If a few hundred dollars is what's stopping you from getting the system that you feel will work best for your business model*, then sell your car, your Playstation, or whatever else you need to to get the system that will be the best return on your investment--again, talking about more than just money here--in the long run.

*When I say business model I'm talking about the vision you have for your company, not those girls you see at trade shows. :)

Or, most people can just use their credit card, charge the $800 and make payments of what? A lot less than $100 a month anyway. :-)

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Or, most people can just use their credit card, charge the $800 and make payments of what? A lot less than $100 a month anyway. :-)

Good points. I'm glad this is not one of my (many) problems.

What are the rates of
ENSIM
PLESK
CPANEL
and other CP.
Which one is over all the best CP?

Jolly, that's what you asked in the first post. The best is the best one for you and your needs. The one you like the best. The one your customers like the best.

Prices are listed on the sites, I'm not going to go there and list them for you.

But there is difference between the rates thats why I ask for the rates.
like someone told like $600 for 400 Ensim.... but its for bulk. What are the rates for only one licence.