Advantages/Disadvantages to both?

Cpanel- Clean Look comes with WHM, bit buggy
havnt used plesk.

This is a hard one now that 2.0 of plesk is out.. I like them both i like one for one reason and the other for anther.

Cpanel = Easy for your end users to use and get around and has lots of toy. ( Users love toys. ) :) A little buggy at times but over all good.

Pleask = Put it on FreeBSD setup sites and for get its there... Never a problem out of it no bugs as far as i can see but a lot less for the users to play with in this one..


Really you should look at your users ( if you have them yet ) and go with what you think will fit them, We run them all Plesk, CPanel, Ensim so if a users says hey i like this control panel better they can have it for one reason or anther but that's a pain having to pay admins to know them all plus diff OS like redhat, FreeBSD.. LOL


That's just a hard one to get at to tell you the truth.. ;)

Well

I initally was not a big fan of Plesk 2, but being a user of all of the panels, and including ensim server xchange, i think Plesk 2 is now the best panel out there.

We will be using Plesk 2 on BSD in Dallas.

Overall After using them all, I think Plesk 2 is the most stable and fuctional out of all of them. It offers more options then most, though the look is simple, its ment for that.

Easy to use.

We are excited about Plesk 2, and look forward to being Partnered with them

joe

Cpanel of cource.
Plesk doesn't come with half the features cpanel/whm comes with.

I know that Plesk comes with Apache, MySQL, PHP, and a variety of other applications. This may be a easy route for novice users, but the more advanced linux administrator will probably want to install and customize as he/she wishes.

Does CPanel include Apache, MySQL, etc.?

As far as features... CPanel wins.

As far as stability and development... Plesk wins.

As far as support... Plesk wins.

Click here (http://www.plesk.com/images/WHM_reprint_March2001.pdf) to read a control panel comparison from Web Hosting Magazine (March 2001).

Well I think your wrong

Plesk 2 comes with a ton of features, and has many soon to be add on modules.

Built in Apache Asp, and overall almost bug free and extremely stable.

From what ive heard cpanel has many bugs. From talking to many Plesk is probably the most stable panel out there.

The biggest fault of Plesk is the look, but its just a panel. We have done research on our clients, and found that clients spend no more then a few minutes playing with the panel. They get there site uploaded, create email accounts, and usually get out.

Joe

If you are that advanced of a system admin, then you are doing work on the back end not on the front end of panels

Joe

Originally posted by Palm
Cpanel of cource.
Plesk doesn't come with half the features cpanel/whm comes with.

With features comes bugs (just look at Microsoft's feature-rich software...). :(

Cpanel/WHM is still under heavy development.
If you visit cpanel.net you will see that they are making a lot of progress there with fixing many features and making it more stable.

I reccomend Plesk. :blush:

The only thing I like of Plesk if the clean design they have.
But Cpanel if making its own design from what I saw it looks MUCH better then plesk.

Nothing against CPanel, but its nice to go to plesk and know that you have 50 programmers working on this.

I like knowing that there are many who are working on this.

Just a thought

Joe

Originally posted by JBIZ718
Nothing against CPanel, but its nice to go to plesk and know that you have 50 programmers working on this.

I like knowing that there are many who are working on this.

Just a thought

Joe

It does give you that warm fuzzy feeling.

what about the ease of use of plesk? how easy is it for customers?

right now i am thinking between them and sphera and i dont really care for sphera that much.

Plesk is not as simple as CPanel, but I believe Plesk's interface is more effective.

If a customer has to learn a little bit about the panel before he/she uses it you're doing them a service (even if they hate it).

Plesk was the first control I ever used.
I never had a problem with it; and still prefer it today.

Aloha

also ask yourself how many clients am I going to have what features will they want and how easy do I want it to be
if a end user gets a bug will it freak them out and they will leave ??? (what is the skill level of your targeted user)

I found cpanel to be a blended up bunch of scripts put together by techie types that think it looks cool and full of bugs that they say oh you can just telnet in and blah blah blah
well not everyone can do this nor wants to do this

Plesk apears to be made solid looks simple so people think it is simple (lines of a porsche are clean and simple 911 body has been around for a long time yet is still beautiful)
I like simple clean and will do what I want it to
also have heard great things about tech support adn they are great with me by email and I am not running it yet live
great people
( I can not say what it is for cpanel as I am not using it nor will I so I am not saying it is good or bad)

if you are targeting techie types that want telnet access etc and you can afford the license issues maybe cpanel

if you are targeting mortals and designer types I think Plesk would be a better way to go

my thoughts

Originally posted by Palm
Cpanel of cource.
Plesk doesn't come with half the features cpanel/whm comes with.

I'm genuinely curious why people only can say that Cpanel has more features, and think this makes it worth it or better? Cpanel's "features" as basically free Perl scripts that were thrown into the mix. Other than that, it's a lot of very simple things. Tell me, what good is it to have more features, when those "features" are just going to cause you or your system administrators' too many headaches to deal with?

A feature is not good if it doesn't work and work well and is stable! I personally don't care for "features" that only break and cause the user's to get frustrated and angry about all the problems. Is it just me and all the company's and web hosts I've ever worked for or with that are 100% unlucky with Cpanel/WHM, or are they and I just all incredibly unlucky? Or, is it that somehow everyone else seems to miss the big picture here about the problems it causes? I an genuinely curious how people would support a product like this, when everyone I know that's running it, feels that they are stuck with it until any alternative comes along?

I'm not very familiar with Plesk, but I don't hear of it having anywhere near the amount of problems Cpanel/WHM does. The POP email breaks, the mail filters break, POP email accounts dissapear, forwarding screws up, Mailman and the FileManager, all the CGI scripts, etc. are all free CGI scripts (poor one's at that). The way it mangles configuration files, deletes and corrupts things, etc... I can tell you from too much experience to wish on my worst enemy, that Cpanel/WHM is a nightmare and you will spend more of your time dealing with support tickets and server problems due to this so-called program, along with having to end up fixing and setting things manually anyway, than you would if you were to just set it up manually or via a shell script in the first place.

Want to know why that happens so much? Because people use those "features" and make your day a nightmare because it is so horrible. These "features" are just problematic and horrid and unexceptable. I'm so angry that this damn program was released (and released as "stable" on top of that!) and how much stress it causes us system administrators... I just an furious to even hear the name of this program! If you are lucky enough to not know what I mean, or why, then you should probably be buying lottery tickets! Honestly. I think if I hear one more person say "Well, until there's something better, it's not so bad", I'm going to ... #$&#$^#^$&#$*$ -- and so forth! :-) Believe me, these "features" that seem to make the difference, aren't in a positive aspect and it's hardly worth it. However, if you are running it, I wish you luck and you have my sympathy.

Originally posted by Mike the newbie


With features comes bugs (just look at Microsoft's feature-rich software...). :(

I think a better anonlogy, would be to say; Windows is a stubbed toe, it has it's problems -- Cpanel/WHM is friggin' cancer! There's just no comparing. There's unsatisfactory and buggy and then there's that whole "going to hell in a handbasket" scenario -- I don't compare the two.

Originally posted by Palm
The only thing I like of Plesk if the clean design they have.
But Cpanel if making its own design from what I saw it looks MUCH better then plesk.

Why not just modify Plesk's layout/look then? Doesn't it have any source code? Isn't it in some type of scripting language? Or, is it all compiled code with no way to alter it? Finally, I can put a Fiberglass Ferrari body and put a blender for an engine, but it's still not going to run better than my Honda. If you judge a product by how it looks, then I can get a lot of great designers (not that Cpanel is great, but making a point), and throw some crappy code underneath and list a bunch of features that work sometimes too.

Look at me, I can't even type properly when I'm thinking about this.. I start worrying what server is going to go down because of these wonderful features! *L*

I really think Tim has summed everything up.

Regards,
HostEXP

Tim if I could add anything to sum up what you said I would, but wow.

Thank you Tim

Joe

I just visited jaguarpc.com ....ehm isnt the control panel that you're using Cpanel ????

Tim,

So are you saying cPanel?. . . . or Plesk? :stickout

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Tim,

So are you saying cPanel?. . . . or Plesk? :stickout


Well! , Tim doesn't own JPC. Jag does. And besides, JaguarPC is developing their own CP, called HostingGUI. It should be released soon.

So the answer would be "NO" to both.

Isn't plesk a bit sensitive with CGI scripts?

I Found This Cpanel "Limitation" To Be A Problem Which Has
Me Looking For An Alternative Hosting Solution.

Posted This A Few Days Ago On A Reseller Thread:
< I was told by our host's support
that Cpanel does not create subdomains that resolve with
www....as in www.subdomain.domain.com. Subdomains only
resolve as http://subdomain.domain.com. This limitation will
be confusing to our redirection subscribers who will be
assigned URL's similar to http://go.to.com/yourname, and
the URL's won't resolve as http://www.go.to.com/yourname.
Do all hosts who sell Cpanel virtual reseller packages have this
"no www" limitation in subdomain addresses ? Is there any
known way around this limitation. Is the only answer to
transfer to a host that does not use Cpanel, but offers easy
www.subdomain creation ?
I find very few comments about this problem relating to
subdomains on any support forums, and no comments about it
relating to Cpanel specifically. Comments appreciated ! >

Tim,

Just take a deep breath...it will be ok...

Well, not until you trash CPanel and go with something else. :D

On a more serious note, I agree with you completly. For the VERY little I've dealt with CPanel, it's been a nightmare. I do realize they're making changes and fixing bugs, but in the mean time............ :rolleyes:

my only problem with plesk is it isnt user friendly. But maybe teaching a client how to use it isnt so bad.

:flamethr:cpanel, well cpanel is cpanel:smash:

Originally posted by multipleimage
my only problem with plesk is it isnt user friendly. But maybe teaching a client how to use it isnt so bad.. . . . .I said earlier in this thread; Plesk was the first Contol Panel I ever saw. I had absolutely no problems with it.
And I was an idiot:D
I don't think you'll find it so difficult for new users.

I used Plesk V1 and wasnt impressed with it.

V2 seems a hell of a lot better, but I have two main problems with plesk. The fact that I write a lot of php/mysql scripts made me hate plesk.


PHP is not changeable. Cant recompile it to add "stuff" as its all built into it.

MySQL - you can only have 1 database per user unless you create them all via the command line. Users dont want this - the one thing I get told from customers is they it in cp3 that they can create their own users/databases themselves.

Is there really any point in having their home directory in /usr/local/plesk/apache/vhosts/domain.com/ ?

Is there any need to put all the programs under the plesk dir??? I like them installed in the "vanilla" places


At the moment, I dont think there are ANY really good panels out there at all :rolleyes:

PS. The Admin end to plesk sucks too.

Well, that's what you get when a panel comes with Apache, PHP, etc...

What do you want? To install all the software yourself then have a panel that just figures out how to configured everything?

http://webcp.can-host.com/

Originally posted by mikeknoxv
Well, that's what you get when a panel comes with Apache, PHP, etc...

What do you want? To install all the software yourself then have a panel that just figures out how to configured everything?


Well, there is no reason why it has to stick things in the plesk dir. Im only using this as an example (dont kill me Tim :D) but CP3 doesnt but apache,mysql,php,exim etc in the /usr/local/cpanel directory does it? I prefer things to be in the standard directories.

Originally posted by mikeknoxv
http://webcp.can-host.com/

Yes, its looking good - but as stated on their site - not ready for production use :)

lol, I need a knifing smilie. :pimp:

Actually, I agree with you.
I would much rather have Apache in /usr/local/apache, and MySQL in mysql, etc., than having it all in the Plesk directory.

Yeah, web.cp is not ready yet, but it may be a possible solution for those who prefer to have at least some customization over their Apache, MySQL, etc.

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown
I used Plesk V1 and wasnt impressed with it.



MySQL - you can only have 1 database per user unless you create them all via the command line. Users dont want this - the one thing I get told from customers is they it in cp3 that they can create their own users/databases themselves.


Aloha

does this mean you can not install phpmyadmin to it then ???

Originally posted by Honu


Aloha

does this mean you can not install phpmyadmin to it then ???

You can install phpMyAdmin yes, but that doesnt let you create users and databases - that requires mysql root access.

Originally posted by Honu


Aloha

does this mean you can not install phpmyadmin to it then ???

If I remember correctly, Plesk has phpMyAdmin installed already.

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown


You can install phpMyAdmin yes, but that doesnt let you create users and databases - that requires mysql root access.

Aloha

HMM I have not played with it enough I guess
I thought you could create users and databases with phpmyadmin ?
in the features it says
create and drop databases

Originally posted by Honu


Aloha

HMM I have not played with it enough I guess
I thought you could create users and databases with phpmyadmin ?
in the features it says
create and drop databases

You can only do that if you have the right privillages.

If you create a database, you need to grant access to that database to a exisitng or new user which required "root" permissions.

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown


You can only do that if you have the right privillages.

If you create a database, you need to grant access to that database to a exisitng or new user which required "root" permissions.

Aloha OK thats what I thought
cant ya setup the Plesk box as a way to have root using the newer version of phpmyadmin to control the whole server ???
this may be a plesk tech ques but I thought the new version of plesk can do this or accessing the phpmyadmin directly would allow users to do this ???
not trying to troll either I am really not sure ????
but I am looking at getting a plesk box for my unix clients adn I hate doing stuff via command line as I am pretty slow at it ;)
hehehhehehee
Mahalos
another thread I am learning from I love this place :)

actually, Ive totally changed my mind about plesk - I actually quite like version 2 now and plan on using it in the very close future :)

I hope you plan on sharing that liscense with me ;)

Soy pobre! :bawling: