Cabal Studios is pleased to announce that on the opening of our new data center we are offering this for the first three months of service.

Choice of Redhat, FreeBSD or Slackware

Pentium III 700 MHz
256 MB PC133 SDRAM
40GB HardDrive
Intel Pro/100+ 10/100 NIC Card
65GB of Fully Burstable Data Transfer Monthly
24x7 Monitoring
24x7 Onsite Technicians Available
4 IP Addresses

$99 per month for the first three months ($199 thereafter)
$99 setup fee

Miniumum 3 month contract required, thereafter Month to Month service contract as we are confident you will not be disappointed. On Site technician services available at $125 per hour, with a one hour minimum. Reboots are provided at no charge as long as we do not deem them to be excessive. We provide a 99.9% backbone connectivity guarantee. However in the event of hardware failure this guarantee does not apply but we do keep spare hardware parts on hand.

This is a limited time special offer and the pricing is only valid for this offer and this offer alone.

Please contact us at dedicated@cabalstudios.com for info

We are accepting orders now.

Hi,

I know this is silly, but what is support like with you? Is it 24/7?
Do these servers allow IRC bouncers/vhosts like your other ones?
Adult content?
How much per GB extra?
How much is more ram? (One off fees I hope ;))
Any control panels available?
What are your backbone pipes?
Where is the server located?
When does the offer end? :)
What speed HD is it?
How much for more IPs?

Thanks,

James

I have't had a server with them, but I made a few enquiries and their response time was most impressive, within 30 minutes after normal business hours...

Our "NEW" Noc will be based in Rochester, Minnesota

We are still negotiating with backbone providers to get as many fibers into our noc as possible, currently we have contracts with AT&T, Qwest and Mcleoud.

The connection to the backbone is through an OC48 fiber cable.

We, do offer 24/7 support, and can also provide emergency technical support on customers request.

Our response times are generally within 30 minutes, but at times it can take upto 1-3 hours for some support issues to be looked at.

We allow any content on the servers, apart from "adult hosting" this is an option we are looking to consider.

Extra per GB, can range between $2.5 to $5 per GB.

RAM, can be purchased either at a monthly cost or a one off setup fee.

Control panels, Ensim control panel is available at an additional $35 monthly, you are more than welcome to get a licence for WHM/Plesk or any other CP, as long as we now before hand, so we do a bare minimal installation of the os.

This offer ends, 20th September 2001.

The 40GB hdd is IDE, and varies from 9-9.5 ms access times.

Additional IPs are $1.5 per IP per month.

Any more questions please contact me either by email or via this thread.


I would like to add to this thread that, our new NOC is not currently open to public use. The new NOC offical opening date is approx 25th September 2001, our current clients will be compesated for an approximate 12 hours downtime, as servers are re-located in our new center, via overnight freight.

I've just lost $100 with Cabal Studios. I signed up for a year in advance. They moved my server multiple times with long downtime each time. The last time they could not get links working properly. They finally cancelled my account and kept the money after I complained and moved my site to a "working" server somewhere else. They will not even let me use the PAID FOR site for testing purposes.

Summary: Incompetent and RIPOFF

Gary Mitchell

Our "NEW" Noc will be based in Rochester, Minnesota So where is the Data Center?

Keep in mind this thread was posted 08-21-2001 and is the newest of the 4 that were brought back to life (with same message). 3 have been rekilled.

Gary, when posting please in the future, mention the entire situation, so the readers of the thread, also understand what happened.

Firstly, when signing up we gave him a 25% discount as he said, it was a hobby and a non profit site...

In the months approaching to the termination of the contact, in our sole discretion breaching of the contract, “www.sorsracing.org” began using more than the allocated bandwidth and was not prepared to pay for it. So we advised them, and upon there request moved them to another server, as now they were saying that cpanel stats are incorrect and they did not like CPANEL. (Poor old cPanel always gets the blame)

So… we moved them to an ENSIM Server, which they did not like either, as they did not know how to setup symbolic links correctly, upon spending time sorting everything out, and thinking all was good, they though “Ah yes, we can SPAM from here”…….. No not really…..

We received complaints and toke action of monitoring there account which was now clear they were using to SPAM an email chain letter. (This had happened once before, but they said it was there newsletter)

We advised, and received a awful letter, from one of his so called "partners" threatening one of our members of staff (not that we were “really” scared), they continued to use the server for spam to over thousands of inexistence and existence Hotmail and Yahoo users, with notice we terminated there contract.

As a host we treated and gave them more than there fare share, and believe they are very lucky that we did not take legal action against them for spamming.

Hope that has cleared a few things up!

Kind Regards
Cabal Studios Internet Solutions

Cabalstudios is lying. I am the owner of sorsracing.com. We are an online racing league that uses the racing simulation nascar 4. Spamming??? I think not!! Email chain letter?? HUH?? Why do you lie so?

Shall I post the emails you sent me regarding the first down time that occured? Remember you needed to "add more RAM to the server"? It took close to a week to add a stick of RAM. I could have built an entire server for as long as it took you to add RAM. This when first time we asked for our money back and you said no, you do not give refunds regardless of the situation. You then offered to give us additional storage space instead and did manage to get the server back up and running. At this time I must say everything was running smooth and we were very pleased. Then you said you were going to move the server to a new location. The server went down and never came up. I am not sure of the details as to why, Gary handles that for us. All I know is that for whatever reason you could not get the server back up again and refused to give us our money back. Bottom line this company will rip you off and then lie about it.

Wow...spam...we are a sim racing site. Who are we spamming? And do you have documentation or proof of this? I would like to see this because I have no knowledge of this spam you speak off. Please, enlighten me. I do hownever have ICQ chat logs where there is no mention of this overusage of bandwidth simply incompetence to understand the hardware/software aspects and failing euipment. I have proof...you do not.

The only reason WE haven't taken legal action it because of your geographical location, were fraud is obviously allowed.

We know you are lying to cover your a** because you have no proof of anything.

Nice try though.

Thanks for the website plug btw.

Ray

Three new users claiming to be from the same site?

Two of the posts differ only by 3 minutes?

Peter

Our site has over 250 members. Five of those members are admins. You have seen posts from 3 of the 5 admins. It is our money, which is why we are upset over this whole deal.

Originally posted by cabalstudios
Let me respond to your points one by one

Firstly, when signing up we gave him a 25% discount as he said, it was a hobby and a non profit site... True - We run a game site and it is non-profit (especially dealing with the likes of you) - check our site and you'll see this is true

In the months approaching to the termination of the contact, in our sole discretion breaching of the contract, “www.sorsracing.org” began using more than the allocated bandwidth and was not prepared to pay for it. Paid for 8GB per month didn't use that much - You violated the contract when you moved us to another server with lower amounts of disk space and bandwidth - I have the original e-mail to what you committed to 8GB and 500MB (and violated)

So we advised them, and upon there request moved them to another server Partially true - we asked to be moved cause the old server was constantly DOWN , as now they were saying that cpanel stats are incorrect and they did not like CPANEL. (Poor old cPanel always gets the blame) This was pulled from where the sun don't shine - UNTRUE - the control panel was OK after you fixed the subdomain request problem

So… we moved them to an ENSIM Server, which they did not like either, as they did not know how to setup symbolic links correctly, I set them up twice on the two previous boxes and didn't forget how - You couldn't figure out how to correctly add the FOLLOWSYMLINKS parm to your Apache config file even after I told you how upon spending time sorting everything out, and thinking all was good, they though “Ah yes, we can SPAM from here”…….. No not really….. LOL - Untrue again - be careful or your momma is gonna wash your mouth out for lying

We received complaints and toke You must have been smoking something action of monitoring there account which was now clear they were using to SPAM an email chain letter. (This had happened once before, but they said it was there newsletter) You pulled this out of thin air after we asked for a refund so you could pretend to have some basis to cancel the account - I have the ICQ log that shows you never mentioned it until we asked for a refund. The only email out site sends out is the password on regiatration. You have our old site code - why don't you post where this was happening in it? You can't cause it's not there!

We advised, and received a awful letter, from one of his so called "partners" threatening one of our members of staff (not that we were “really” scared), they continued to use the server for spam to over thousands of inexistence and existence Hotmail and Yahoo users, with notice we terminated there contract. Partially True - We sent a very nasty letter after you disconnected us and stole out money - thieves don't receive nice letters

As a host we treated and gave them more than there fare share, and believe they are very lucky that we did not take legal action against them for spamming. And we'll be sure and take you to small claims court for the $100 after you open the US data center you've talked about.

Hope that has cleared a few things up! You've blown enough smoke and untruths here - I've given up trying to get our money back cause we realize the kind of person we're dealing with here. I just hope to spare the next guy the heartache of dealing with you.

Kind Regards
Cabal Studios Internet Solutions

I am a physician by day. I am also a sim racer with WWW.SORSRACING.ORG and recently found out that Cabal Studios has refused to refund the funds we paid them. The inadequacies of the server are true and the problems mentioned are also true. I am very surprised that we even stayed with them so long while trying to work things out. Dissatisfied is an understatement. Now it is more like pissed off after we tried to be flexible and then in turn get ripped off. As for spamming and advertising? That is a complete crock and is just a smokescreen to hide behind. If Cabal Studios cant provide a server for a small and simple group as ourselves, then incompetence is the only word that comes to mind.....after THIEF.

T

Wow, Looks like we have got a full house today.... (all trying to cover there sorry ***)

After using the service for 8 months, there were no problems, until SPAM and overusage of bandwidth.... and now u want a $100 refund ??? :o (They piad us $135 for the yearly account)


Shazad

cabal, you might want to run your posts through a spell/grammar checker before you hit submit...

Cabalstudios, why don't you just give them the spamming proof they have been asking so that everything will be cleared up?

cheers,
:beer:

Hey Cabal Studios....i couldn't care less about $100. I donated more to fellow members so that they could upgrade their own computer and we could all race together. In case you dont get it.....the PRINCIPLE is what people care about in this country. If you cant be truthful, then you have no future. Word gets around quick.

T

Hmmmmm

I have been nothing but happy with Cabalstudios. Back in November, I was asked to get a server for a large gaming ISP in the UK (not mentioning names) so that I can run it for them for their gaming leagues.

I was giving a budget of $225 a month for a server, and Cabalstudios gave me the best offer (plus they are admined from the UK, so purchase orders can be used).

This company I got the server for, failed to pay them for the 1st month + signup and it overspilled into January before it was cleared up.
Cabalstudios never once threatened to cut us off, even though up to that point nothing had been paid for and we had the server (which was setup same day, might I add).

Now everything is sorted and paid for on time, and we are nothing but happy.

So I don't know where this idea wb9tpg, Todd27 etc are coming from because in my experience they go WAY beyond what a normal host would go in such situations.

Due to this experience, I got 2 people I know to go with them - and both are happy (even though 1 did have a few quibbles to start with, but once rectified he is very happy).

Regards,

James

SORS is also a gaming site. We race NASCAR stock cars online. I would greatly appreciate it if Cabal Studios could provide some proof as to spamming done by any administrator or member of SORS. I think this would clear up alot.

T

Lets see - early October to early February -

1) October
2) November
3) December
4) November
5) January

that's 5 full months. Rough calculation shows you still owe us 7 months of service or about $75 bucks. How about delivering one or the other.

Gary

If indeed you did exceed bandwidth and refuse to pay for it, or DID send out emails to people which was spam, then it would be classed as violating their T&C and as a result all unused months are forfeited (unless for some reason the company would like to refund them it, but I doubt it).

Even if you were sending the emails to members - if CS received a load of complaints stating that they didn't want/sign up for these mailing lists, CS HAVE to look into it.

I am not involved in this situation, so I can't say who is right or wrong - I am going by past experience.

Might be best to take this to email too - cos this IS in a webhosting offer thread.

--James

James,

I've made my points and will not need to make any further posts unless I have to refute something that appears this.

Our site ran the PostNuke software, it sends out the user pw to the user supplied e-mail address to perform identity confirmation. The only other email send was from the league admins to their league and it was a very small amount. So to get accused of Spamming is what's rubbed us the wrong way.

I'm happy if you're having good luck there - I hope it continues for you.

Gary

I have a sever with cabalstudios and am mighty impressed. They have live support via ICQ (something rare with dedicated providers). FYI, my kernal was getting outdated so I asked them for an upgrade, which they did free of charge. Uptime has been impressive and service is great! When my server was down, I contacted their NOC and it was instantly rebooted (3.40AM!!). In addition, they have been monitoring my box extremely well. We recently had a user utilizing a BNC which was DOSsed, if it wasn't for their speedy techs stopping this in time, my bandwidth bill would have gone through the roof! They have done a perfect job monitoring my server for bad scripts, problems and so forth. I will be looking to buy more servers from them very soon. They may not be SUPER big, but the level of personalization and service they provide is second to none.

Support = A
Network = B+
Hardware = A (My machine specs are new)
Uptime = A
Billing = B-

You will not be disapointed with these guys! I've seen some bad post about CabalStudios in this thread and I cannot understand why someone would want to bring down this company, as my experience with Cabal (2-3 months so far) has been great!

:D :D

Why are all the complainers "Newbies" with 10 posts or under??
Suspicious... :eek:

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Todd27
Newbie

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 3
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wb9tpg
Newbie

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 7

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Dput
Newbie

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 2

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RVachon
Newbie

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 3

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We are newbies because we had no reason to complain about them until now. We just want people to be careful and not get into the same situation we were in. If you are having a good experience with Cabal Studios then thats great. All I know is that our experience with them was very poor. It did not start off like that however. I too was impressed at first with their tech support. When I would send an email they responded quickly. Again, things started getting bad when it took a week to add a stick of RAM. Now the out right lying about what we do and are about is really crossing the line. I want to see the hard evidence that we are spamming. All one has to do is look at our site and see the truth.

Again, I do not want to get into a pissing match with Cabal. If you have had nothing but good experience with them then I think that is great and wish you the best of luck in the future. We just wanted to come here and explain our experience with them and that is all we have done.

Again, things started getting bad when it took a week to add a stick of RAM

I'm just curious, when you say this do you mean your box had a week of downtime as they worked on it, or you ordered a stick of ram on monday and didn't get the upgrade until the next monday? Because i can certainly see a RAM upgrade taking a week if they don't have any in stock.

> I want to see the hard evidence that we are spamming.

Well.. This can be fairly hard because logs are incredibly large. I don't see how they can provide evidence of you spamming on WHT forums, unless they show emails of people complaining, even that is hard to provide months after you have left their service. Email could have been deleted or stored away.

The reason im complaining is because we were alerted by our admin that the money was lost and we knew firsthand that our entire website was down for awhile. Then our website was accused of spamming and sending out chainletters?!?!?! Why?....WE ARE A SIMRACING LEAGUE. $100 or $75 is insignificant. But when someone wrongs you and then accuses you by lying, who wouldnt want to defend themself?

Im still waiting for the proof of this. It is all a matter of principle.

T

hi ya

Do you have anything like Form Mailers?

I know spammers have utalised flaws in them before to spam from your server.

James

Originally posted by universal2001
> I want to see the hard evidence that we are spamming.

Well.. This can be fairly hard because logs are incredibly large. I don't see how they can provide evidence of you spamming on WHT forums, unless they show emails of people complaining, even that is hard to provide months after you have left their service. Email could have been deleted or stored away.

Like, universal2001 said, Its not easy keeping logs of spams on any server, It would be easy if you still had access to the servers and were still spamming, but.... since your account was terminated a couple of weeks back, ehm.... the logs do rotate :D

Theres not much else to add to this thread, as the case with sorsracing.org was closed when there account was terminated.

If a Mod sees fit, I suggest you close this thread before things get out of hand, or even move it to another area on this forum, as this is a specials and not ranting section.

Kind Regards
Cabal Studios Internet Solutions.

oh let's see after using the Server(s) (let's not forget you moved it multiple times) and still having problems with it not being up half the time. yeah i can understand why their upset. I race with sors and i am one of the admins, i also run a webhosting company along with another person. Amazingly enough the sors site hasn't been down, i wonder why that is. maybe because, the server is configured correctly and i care about my customers satisfaction.

as far as spamming, if you call a mailing list for each division(there are 6 or so) containing 30-35 drivers spam, then i think you need to change into another business, webhosting is not your thing..

hmm and while we're on that subect, i know as a server administrator, i keep an eye on log files and if i find something that shows spamming or something else that shouldn't be going on, i store it for use in defending my position(You know how it is, that thing called good business)

so to the spam all i can say is, show me proof, log files, complaints filed, let's at least produce something other then (Oh crap, i spent the money and now i don't have it to refund, so i'll just claim they were spamming) I have seen the icq logs that were mentioned, and they mention nothing about spamming untill a refund was demanded and action was threatened, then all of a sudden you start talking about spamming.

And what's really disappointing is your "hehe, u will regret it m8" comment. It definitely shows a serious lack of professionalism.

I won't bother to attack you personally, or even verbally, there's no use, simply put you tried to host the site, didn't have the knowledge or the wish to provide it correctly. paid someone else to host the site for you when you had problems(and that didn't work out either due to not listening to your customer) and so in effect you failed to provide adequate service.

That being said, you futher went on to attack the character and integrity of the racing organization due to your unprofessional attitude. Now this is not saying you are a horrible person or anything simply stating the fact as i see them.

I offered numerous times to host SORS on my server and Was told numerous times that they were going to give you time to get everything straight. They gave you plenty of time to get it straight and if anyone would care to view the logs you will see that wb9tpg was more then willing to help resolve the problem.

Simply put, you have to listen to your customers, that's part of where business comes from, if you don't at least have the strength of character to admit when something is beyond your knowledge and work to resolve the situation.

quite frankly i had the subdomains setup and runing within and hour after moving the site,changing the dns and uploading the files. I didn't have to do this, i could have said, "it's your site you make it work", but as a businessman, i value my customers opinion of me and want to see thier site succeed. so I put forth the extra effort to make sure they have what they need.