I just made a new web page and in netscape it looks bad does netcape not support iframes? :(

No it doesn't... welcome in the world of the web pages, where no browser do the same thing and support the same thing.

:)

Netsheep, er..... I mean, Netscape, doesn't support many things. The IFRAME tag was created by Microsoft.

If you want a full reference, then you'd better check out W3C's HTML 4.0 specs at http://www.w3c.org in order to get the low down on what's right and not right for both browsers.

I hate netscape lol Ok i've seen on 24/7 media ads use iframs and they work in netscape.....i copyed this from a site using them.

<!-- Start ContentZone 5.0 -->
<center>
<iframe src="http://ad.contentzone.com/srv/view?site_id=43127"
marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 frameborder=0 scrolling="no"
width=468 height=60 vspace=0 hspace=0>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://ad.contentzone.com/srv/click?site_id=43127">
<img width=468 height=60 border=0 alt="Check out my sponsor!"
src="http://ad.contentzone.com/srv/image?site_id=43127">
</a>
</iframe>
</center>
<!-- End ContentZone 5.0 -->

and i use them like this wich dosent work in netscaspe can anyone help?

<iframe src="http://www.domain.com/ad.htm" width="468" height="60" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" scrolling="no" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Uhmmm...... You sure about that? Netscape basically ignores completely the IFRAME tag (i.e. in Netscape you won't see the Inline Frame - you'll just see the normal ad, which is the bit inside the IFRAME).

Trust me, it just won't work. ;)

Yes, Jen is right... but actually, from the code you copied, only
<a target="_blank"
href="http://ad.contentzone.com/srv/click?site_id=43127">
<img width=468 height=60 border=0 alt="Check out my sponsor!"
src="http://ad.contentzone.com/srv/image?site_id=43127">
is decoded by netscape, thus it will create a normal linked image, simply ignoring the IFRAME tags that it does not understand.

Simply forget about running iframes with netscape, it is impossible... you _could_ try to do some work with LAYERs and DIV instead, but it would get much more complicated.

ahhhh i wish they made all web browsers the same lol but thanks for the help :)

As a web designer myself, I couldn't agree more with you...

There are incompatibilities everywhere... but also between version of the same browser... sooo if you want to make a web page viewable by everyone, put a white background, black text, no pictures ... :P

Seriously, a web page tested with IE4 or 5 and Netscape 4 or 6, made for resolutions 800x600 and 1024 x 768 should suits almost 95% of the surfers.

I guess that's about as good as you can get without going extreme and puting only text in it.

Enjoy!

IE is more HTML forgiving. I had an ebay post which looked fine in IE but Netscape didn't display it at all. Maybe that's why I had very low bids :(

Check out http://www.zdnetindia.com. They use IFRAME to display there Ads. And IFRAME works in Netscape in this situation.


Why cant they just create a standard in browsers? Those Egoistic Idiots! :)

http://www.zdnetindia.com.

Yeah if there iframe ads will work in netscape how can i get mine to work to? there has to be a way :)

I think netscape is just a lil moody.. It allows iframes for some and not for some. Its confused I guess. :D

again... this is the code they use to display their banners:

<!-- RightServe Ad Start-->
<nolayer>
<IFRAME SRC="http://207.198.105.199/cgi-bin/VisitorCGI.exe?OPERATION=getImage&RSPUBTYPE=P&RSPUBID=30&RSPGCAT=homepage_button" WIDTH=130 HEIGHT=60 MARGINWIDTH=0 MARGINHEIGHT=0 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0 FRAMEBORDER=0 SCROLLING=NO>
</IFRAME>
</nolayer>
<ILAYER id=testing2 VISIBILITY=hide WIDTH=130 HEIGHT= 60 >
</ILAYER>
<!-- RightServe Ad End -->

and at the end of the file

<!--RightServe Ad Trailer Begin-->
<LAYER SRC="http://207.198.105.199/cgi-bin/VisitorCGI.exe?OPERATION=getImage&RSPUBTYPE=P&RSPUBID=30&RSPGCAT=homepage_button" width= 130 height= 60 visibility=hide onLoad="moveToAbsolute(testing2.pageX,testing2.pageY);clip.height=60;clip.width=130;visibility='show';">
</LAYER>
<!--RightServe Ad Trailer End-->

That create the banner using netscape (and LAYERs)

Netscape NEVER accept (really never, it is impossible, in ANY case) the IFRAME tags... as you can see, here it uses layers, it check if the layer command is accepted, if not it uses iframe (ie4-5) or layers (netscape 4+)

Netscape can't understand iframe and it can't understand dhtml... those were created by Microsoft and are not standard HTML tags.

As for a standard browser... html 4 and xhtml has been created to make HTML clear to read, easy to understand so that every browser display the same thing... of course, don't expect to see that happen for a long time, since everyone prefers to only do his own little thing and not work in group, so... :I


[Edited by Félix C.Courtemanche on 09-10-2000 at 12:48 PM]

Originally posted by teck
IE is more HTML forgiving. I had an ebay post which looked fine in IE but Netscape didn't display it at all. Maybe that's why I had very low bids :(

The biggest problem with netscape that will prevent the stuff from appearing is when you are working with tables.
If you forget a closing </TD> </TR> or </TABLE>, the table might really not show up at all. I don't think I know of any other situations like this.

...and there you have it! The IFRAME mystery has been solved! ;)

Originally posted by Félix C.Courtemanche
Netscape can't understand iframe and it can't understand dhtml... those were created by Microsoft and are not standard HTML tags.

Felix, that was a nice review of code you gave up here.

However, I am asking this question just to clarify further.

From what I was given to understand, that dthml is basically a combination of html + javascript or jscript (not sure which) + cascading style sheets. Is that correct?

So, with reference to your above statement, I just wish to clarify if Netscape 4.72 doesn't understand dhtml at all?

Learner

[Edited by Learner on 09-10-2000 at 08:15 PM]

Dosen't netscape 6 support style sheets now?

It's supposed to, according to their standards sheet:
http://home.netscape.com/browsers/future/standards.html?cp=n6d

It's been at PR2 for awhile. Anyone know when they're going to release the final version?

Learner,

(begin bullsh*ting)
As a world expert on DHTML, I feel I'm learned enough to state that Netscape interprets DHTML like crap and is impossible.
(end bullsh*ting) (sorry, extremely sad attempt at geek humour)

Seriously, both IE and Netscape interpret DHTML, but in slightly different ways. Netscape is more reliant on the almost-defunct LAYER tag. And yes, DHTML is the combination of HTML, JavaScript and CSS (+ CSS-positioning as well).

It is quite possible to write cross-browser DHTML code (I've done it many times and it works - but takes twice the time to do so), and there are many cross-browser base DHTML APIs for you to use and build upon. I can offer URLs if you like.

Jen and Annette, yes, Netscape 6 should definitely support style sheets. PR2 has looked extremely promising (for once) and I'm hoping it will finish its implementation of W3C's HTML 4.0 and Jscript/ECMAScript specs properly.


As a side note, anyone who's interested in an alternative, light-loading browser which is open-source can check out http://kmeleon.org - it's based on the Mozilla M17 engine and is only 2.8 mbs, while running lightning quick. When they finish their JScript implementation it might well offer a viable alternative to the big two as it stands.

[Edited by BC on 09-10-2000 at 10:05 PM]

Originally posted by BC
Learner... and there are many cross-browser base DHTML APIs for you to use and build upon. I can offer URLs if you like.

BC! Please do let me have the URLs.

Thanks in advance.

Learner

Enjoy, use freely, and may the power of Dynamic HTML be with you! :D

http://www.brainjar.com/dhtml/libraries.html - written by Mike Hall, a genuine DHTML expert. Check out the rest of his site for more DHTML stuff.

ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/published/oreilly/misc/jscook/ - you'll find several .js libraries in the zip file. Read the README file first. The ZIP file comes from the JavaScript Application Cookbook, published by O'Reilly. Great JScript applications exist in the book that explores the capabilities of JScript.

http://developer.netscape.com/tech/dynhtml is an excellent resource from Netscape, including several detailed tutorials on cross-browser techniques. A must read.

http://www.webreference.com/dhtml - just investigate DHTML generally and play around with the DHTML code. For more advanced users, but still worth a look.

http://www.siteexperts.com/dhtmllib/page1.asp - very, very useful library.

Thank you... oh Web Hosting God... for the kindness thou hath showered upon me!!! :)

Those were some really heavenly links you sent me!!!

This mortal now seeketh your blessings to strive on the long-winding, difficult and torturous path of DHTML ahead... Difficult Hellish Torturous Maddening Language!!!

Learner :karate:

[Edited by Learner on 09-10-2000 at 11:14 PM]

(begin heavenly voice)

And my blessings thou shalt receive, my son....

In the name of Mahatma Gandhi, Bill Gates and Tim Berners-Lee.... Proceed forward and spread the word! :D

(end heavenly voice and proceed to see the figure of me crashing down to earth with a thud)

...and LO n' Behold!!!

for now the GOD... the father, the son and the hosty spirit hath descended from the cyber-heavens to walketh the earth so as to showeth his disciples how to liveth a better life on the Net!!!

Learner :karate:

[Edited by Learner on 09-10-2000 at 11:24 PM]

Good job answering for me, BC ;)

LOL! Sorry to take your thunder Felix... :look:

it took me nearly a year to make websites that look the same in both nutscrap and i.e. Now one question i got howd you make forms look the same the boxes that nutscrap create suck but ive seen some sites with forms that look the same in i.e and nutsrap am i making myself clear if not its cos its first thing monday morning and there was no coffee left in the pot when i got to work :(.

And i dont like copy and paste i prefer to learn the codes so i can write them at the drop of a hat.

Netscape has many problems, I used to like it back in 97, IE and Netscape produced near enough the same display. But now it's terrible and apart from Linux users I can't understand why people are still loyal to it, maybe they're too scared to let go. The latest version is a joke, it looks like a Neoplanet modified browser.

I also hate the way you can't have colour borders in Netscape by just set bordercolor. Instead you have to nest a table with a table.

As long as IE is free, and I guess it will be here forever, then Netscape has no place other than as a backup browser (for when .dlls go corrupt and illegal errors happen), a testbed for webmasters, for very slow computers (sub DX4), for Linux,Unix,Amiga users and for the small % of loyal followers, developers and beta testers.

If you post an example URL I can have a look and tell you. I suspect I know, but I might be wrong...