Attached is a text file with the relevant whois info (http://www.betterwhois.com). From this, you can see that:

1. who is instabill? answer:
instabill.com contact= dodhia, zaheer dodhia@cyber.net.pk of Pakistan?

2. link instabill to zstarnetwork:
zstarnetwork.com admin contact= dodhia, zaheer dodhia@cyber.net.pk of U.S.A.?

3. link zstarnetwork to paysystems
paysystems.com contact= fayer, philip of zstarnetwork

4. link paysystems to revecom:
revecom.com is owned by paysystems.com corporation

Therefore, instabill=revecom. quod erat demonstratum. If they aren't exactly the same company, then they are run by the same people.

Originally posted by armstrong

3. link zstarnetwork to paysystems
paysystems.com contact= fayer, philip of zstarnetwork


Wait a minute, your computation got lost there... how do we know Philip Fayer is from zstarnetwork?

Originally posted by skysenshi


Wait a minute, your computation got lost there... how do we know Philip Fayer is from zstarnetwork?

Philip is the only contact listed in whois, and it lists him as working for zstarnetwork:

Registrant:
PaySystems.com (PAYSYSTEMS3-DOM)
1200 McGill College
Suite 1100
Montreal, Quebec H3B-4J7
CANADA

Domain Name: PAYSYSTEMS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Fayer, Philip (PF4033) pfayer@SYMPATICO.CA
zStar Network Inc.
3468 Drummond, Suite 503
Montreal, QC H3G1Y4
CA
(514) 281-0744

Sorry, i'm quite new here, and it seems that the file i intended to upload was not, in fact, uploaded. So here are the relevant whois data, in sequence.
****************
Domain Name: INSTABILL.COM

Administrative Contact:
Dodhia, Zaheer dodhia@cyber.net.pk
M2, 1/C, 35th Comm Street, Phase V
DHA
Karachi, Sind 00000
PK
9221-5876036

Technical Contact:
*same
Billing Contact:
*same

**************
Domain Name: ZSTARNETWORK.COM

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Dodhia, Zaheer (ZD149) dodhia@CYBER.NET.PK
ZeeDee's
920 West Irving Park Road Unit # 101
Besenville, IL 60106
1800-2100233 (FAX) 509-752-1488

*************
Domain Name: PAYSYSTEMS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Fayer, Philip (PF4033) pfayer@SYMPATICO.CA
zStar Network Inc.
3468 Drummond, Suite 503
Montreal, QC H3G1Y4
CA
(514) 281-0744

**************
PaySystems.com Corporation
1200 McGill College Suite 1100
Montreal, Quebec H3B4G7
CA

Domain Name: REVECOM.COM

Administrative Contact:
PaySystems Admin support@mail.paysystems1.com
PaySystems.com Corporation
1200 McGill College Suite 1100
Montreal, Quebec H3B4G7
CA
Phone- 514-390-2314
Fax- 514-390-2315
Technical Contact:
*same

You're assuming, of course, that the WHOIS info is current and accurate. Often, it isn't. ;)

If they are indeed the same company, why is Instabill giving all its current customers to ClickBank?

Originally posted by alchiba
You're assuming, of course, that the WHOIS info is current and accurate. Often, it isn't. ;)

If they are indeed the same company, why is Instabill giving all its current customers to ClickBank?

Even if whois data is outdated, it can be used to demonstrate that once upon a time all these sites were controlled by the same group of people. If you're a website owner who's faced with the possibility of losing a couple of thousand bucks courtesy of Instabill, why ignore these clues?

Why refer clients to Clickbank? Well, perhaps Instabill figured out that they would make more money off of commissions from Clickbank, or perhaps revecom can't make a profit off Instabill's risky client base, or perhaps they would like to spite a competitor by sending over the same smorgasbord they happened to choke on.

As the saying goes - "Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me twice ... "

it is also possable they started together maybe as a joint and went differnt ways

Actually Revecom and Instabill are pretty much the same.

However, I think the client base is different.

You know... charging an upfront setup fee like Revecom does gets rid of a lot of the "riffraff".

We'll be moving to Revecom from Instabill ASAP. the only headache now is how to move all the customer data over, and/or making people re-signup their creditcard at Revecom.

Anyone have a good way of doing this?

The best way to have your clients re-submit their data is to tell them the truth. Just tell them InstaBill are stopping to process payment and you need them to re-submit their info. I am sure they will understand if you are nice and polite.