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gthorley
09-05-2000, 05:30 PM
Do any hosts allow 2 domain names to operate for the same monthly or annual rate?

Is the IP address assigned to a web site shared by others and does this mean that when all with that address are in use that they slow down? I assumed that every domain name was given an individual.

myname.com and www.myname.com - are these one and the same?

Graham

Jag
09-05-2000, 07:08 PM
Yes, you can have two domains use the same ip and same web content, or even make the second domain point to a dir under the main site so they appear to be completely different sites.

Some hosts do use one main IP to host many clients but this does not slow down any of the sites. When the name server is requested and it hits that IP, the server routes the url to the appropriate space for that requested domain. Its no more strain on the server to serve out that one ip for all the domains than to serve out a different ip for each. In fact its more for the same server to serve mutiple ips to allow each domain its own.

We do use and ip per domain though so each client can have immediate access to thier site without waiting for nic records to update.

When requesting http://www.myname.com the http://www. id just an alias to myname.com without the http://www. They are one and the same and both just aliases to the ip address. Good luck with your site, I hope this helped you a little with the way sites work.

Deb
09-05-2000, 08:19 PM
Just as an addition to what jaguar has already correctly stated..... Not all hosts will alias the domain without the www automatically. Surprisingly some hosts charge extra to allow http://www.domain.com and domain.com to work the same :( It is still a question you should ask prior to signing up. Another note is that even if the host does share the IPs amongst many web sites, you still may have instant access to temp URLs. When FutureQuest was setting up all accounts on shared IPs (we just recently changed to providing each their own) the site owners were still able to access their accounts instantly using a tempory addressing scheme. Again this is also a question you should ask the host prior to signing up.

Deb
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FutureQuest! (Http://www.FutureQuest.net/)

Félix C.Courtemanche
09-05-2000, 08:30 PM
I wonder why some hosts wont aliase domain.com and http://www.domain.com or offer temporary URL.

In as much as you know a little bit how Apache (the web server) works, it can be set in a matter of seconds with no trouble at all.

My guess is that many hosts out there are not knowleged enough to do it... wich is something to consider when going with something like web hosting, since it is a technological area.

In brief... dedicated or shared IP will not hit the site's speed or anything else, it is only a feature appreciated by certain, neglected by others...

The only thing it does is add additional entries to your host's DNS server and to the router forwarding multiple IPs to the same server.

One is as good as the other if you ask me... with the exception of SSL (https://my.secure.domain.com) wich REQUIRES a dedicated IP per domain to allow the use of certificates and anonymous FTP (it is impossible on a shared IP)

Everything else will work just as fine.

gthorley
09-06-2000, 12:24 AM
Could one of you explain what a temporary url is used for?

If a hosts plan offers password protected directories does this mean you would have to have an individual IP address.

On the subject of two domain names using one site, Jaguar you mentioned they could operate seperately by having one point to its own directory. Would not both hit the same index.html unless one was mydomain.com and the other was mydomain2.com/directoryname.

Graham

Félix C.Courtemanche
09-06-2000, 12:48 AM
A temporary URL is used when you don't have a adedicated ip for your site.

Let say that you are on server33 of company xyz.com
your temporary url to *view* your site _before_ its DNS has been changed would be something like:
http://server33.xyz.com/http/www.yourdomain.com

that long url would simply let you view all of your content... as good as if you had a dedicated ip.

If you need password protected directories, dedicated IP or not does not interfer with this, it is simply a matter of setting up a .htaccess and .htpasswd file in your protected directory (or let a nice user friendly script do it for you)

Finally, what jaguar is trying to tell you is that if your 'master' domain is domain1.com and that you want domain2.com to be on your account as well, you could set a directory in domain1.com to be the ROOT of domain2.com

For example, http://www.domain1.com/domain2 could display the same web page as typing http://www.domain2.com

hmmmm I am not sure if it is clear, but if you have any questiosn, feel free to ask!

gthorley
09-06-2000, 10:04 AM
Need more help with this area below I am not techie enough I guess to grasp on the first go around.

Originally posted by Félix C.Courtemanche

Finally, what jaguar is trying to tell you is that if your 'master' domain is domain1.com and that you want domain2.com to be on your account as well, you could set a directory in domain1.com to be the ROOT of domain2.com

For example, http://www.domain1.com/domain2 could display the same web page as typing http://www.domain2.com

hmmmm I am not sure if it is clear, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask!
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What I am trying to understand is whether the account could be set-up so that, if someone entered domain1.com and someone entered domain2.com as is without a directory pointer on the end, they would be taken to and open a different first page.

P.S While I realize that some of the replies on this forum are marketing based (subtle and not in your face) the support being provided to new web users is tremendous and I thank you all.

Jag
09-06-2000, 10:31 AM
You can have both domain1.com and domain2.com open the exact same content without being taken to a different page. Or you can give domain2.com its own content that you can update in a folder under domain1.com. If you go with the first choice then when you change something in domain1.com , domain2.com will also show the change.

-Edward-
09-06-2000, 12:11 PM
hey jag whered ya get the idea for your new site design huh? lol

Jag
09-06-2000, 12:18 PM
Graphics and layout came the same way any site does, we just thought of it and it came together. Some of the content in the pages are a combination of our old site, some other host sites, and some of our own ideas. Why do you ask?

-Edward-
09-06-2000, 12:45 PM
was a joke but u gotta admit it looks a lot like burlee.com :).

4php
09-06-2000, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by gthorley
Need more help with this area below I am not techie enough I guess to grasp on the first go around.

What I am trying to understand is whether the account could be set-up so that, if someone entered domain1.com and someone entered domain2.com as is without a directory pointer on the end, they would be taken to and open a different first page.

P.S While I realize that some of the replies on this forum are marketing based (subtle and not in your face) the support being provided to new web users is tremendous and I thank you all.

the answer is yes -
go to apache.org and search for virtualhost - it will explain it all

gthorley
09-06-2000, 03:25 PM
The reply I received concerning this from tera-byte.com was no charge if it pointed to the same page and if it didn't they would do it through a related company for $15.00 annual
fee, the latter includes registration of domain name. Now there are probably hosts that would point it for free or say a smaller charge but hey all things considered this sounds fair.

Jag
09-06-2000, 08:04 PM
We also normally charge for pointing extra domains, but Im willing to point domains for free and no monthly charge for anyone from this board. Just the original monthly site fee will be appplied.

Technics, I wish we had a site like Burlee, I can see where only one page looks like theres in a way. Other wise the layout and every other page dont even come close. Thanks for the compliment though. Burlee has an awesome site :)

BC
09-06-2000, 08:34 PM
They have a damn nice site.. Pity about their uptime... Or lack of! :D

Jag
09-06-2000, 08:59 PM
Who us? Dialtone has been up and down a lot the last two days , those #@%?*&@

Chicken
09-07-2000, 09:21 AM
I think he meant burlee jag, not you :)

BC
09-07-2000, 09:23 AM
Sorry Jag, not you.... Burlee ;)

Jag
09-07-2000, 11:33 AM
oh ok, Ya burlee is down at least 80% everytime ive ever visited it.

-Edward-
09-07-2000, 11:43 AM
Yeap was a big compliment. Your site is rather awesome.

Burlee is never down for me everytime i visit it works.


Originally posted by jaguar
We also normally charge for pointing extra domains, but Im willing to point domains for free and no monthly charge for anyone from this board. Just the original monthly site fee will be appplied.

Technics, I wish we had a site like Burlee, I can see where only one page looks like theres in a way. Other wise the layout and every other page dont even come close. Thanks for the compliment though. Burlee has an awesome site :)

Jag
09-07-2000, 11:47 AM
Thanks