Hi
My web site is Islamic in nature. I've recently been forced by my US host to remove the download section, which contained many authentic e-books of my own compiling. After closing the download section, I now notice a considerable delay in page loading and frequent down times as much as 5 a day.
So I decided to move. But I need to find a good ISlamic web host. I used to prefer US hosts because of the wealth of features and low prices and good support. But approaching a few hosts, and after they reviewed my web site, http://www.gawaher.com , they refused to host me. I got replies like "I'm very sorry, but because of what's going on between our two countries it would not be a good idea at this time"....

I would be happy to host this site on my server. I am not "in the hosting business", but I share your enthusasim for freedom of throught, expression and speech. I host several sites for friends, family and aquaintences that are quite controversial in nature.

No one has been able to shut me off since 1999 when See Eye -(CI)- Host took me for a ride. And that's not for lack of trying, either.

What amount of resources will you need? (Bandwidth, Disk, Processor, etc) I can give you a price based on that info.

thanks for your invitation. I need currently 10gb monthly transfer, 400mb space, php and mySQL support.

It's a sad sign of our times that hosts would be frightened enough to deny your site. I'd help you out if I had a company, but all I can do is you best of luck in finding a good company.

Originally posted by OhSoKorny
It's a sad sign of our times that hosts would be frightened enough to deny your site.

True!!!

As a host I would have no problem with that type of site.
As for the downloads, hell thats why you pay for bandwidth.

I'm very sorry, but because of what's going on between our two countries it would not be a good idea at this time"
Ignorance is bliss...:eek:
It's sorry to see people don't understand something so they afraid of it, or think every Islamic site is for Al Quead (spl?) :(

Truly sad, I wish you luck in you search!

I really cant believe a host denied you because of that reason. This is truly ridiculous, i wish you best of luck in finding a new host...

This is the american role. Ignorance and stupidity= DISASTER!

I's sorry those people did not wat to host you because of your religion. be interesting if some foreign host didn't want to host an American....... what an uproar that would cause.

American really needs to be straightened out. BIG TIME!

If you need a hoster I would be glad to host it.

I'd host him. Didn't see anything bad on there. Unless the ebooks were pirated.

Originally posted by Esr Tek
It's sorry to see people don't understand something so they afraid of it, or think every Islamic site is for Al Quead (spl?) :(

Well, this kind of jumped out at me.

Bin Laden Is Not An Terrorist!!!, about our freedom fighters (http://gawaher.com/i2/index.php?act=ST&f=65&t=1923&)

He and hes mans of Al'Qaida and other freedom fighters groups are not terrorists in my opinion.They fight for our islamic future in freedom.we need to help those activities.

Osama is the best!^_^!

Osama did 9/11 but the muslims who died there shound have NOT! been there! the americans killed more than 1 million Iraqi child with the chemicals THEY! threw! on Iraq and kill more than 2 million in afghanistan! And dont forget about Chechnya! that they left! and non muslims! NO ONE! told them they are wrong when they killed 2 million in Hiroshima and Nagasaki! so they deserve it!

What are they doing for muslims in the Philipines,Thailand,Palestine,Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Indonesia,Bosnia,Albania,Iraq and i can go on and on they are ONLY! HELPING! the goverment on killing the muslims! the USA goverment should be removed! and the American people should be removed same thing goes for Australia and the UK!

You call him a terrorist i call him Al-Sheikh Al-Muhajed!

and our goverments! won't do a thing! they are Allies! to the Shaitan! Satan,the Devil! they must be removed too in this Era Islam is struggling to survive and Osamsa is our hero!

DONT! talk about the muslims who died in 9/11 talk about the muslims who died in Afghanistan! Palestine! isnt the USA a Terrorists!

Ma'a Salama!

I'm not going to comment either way on that site. Some people feel strongly enough where they wouldn't host that type of content. Most major companies could care less, I'm sure but some small operation may highly disagree with the content of some site. It's not always about the money.

Anyway, click on that link. It's interesting to see how some Muslims feel about 9/11 and Bin Laden.

Yeah i agree with coach...

Seeing as how I was one block from the towers when they were attacked you can bet I wouldn't host any site that promotes approval of the man that was responsible.

It sure isn't about the money...

Yeah you had every right to be banned by a US host. Shame on you for supporting acts of violence.

There are many Islamic friendly hosting companies represented at WHT as you can see Sallam.

Pick a few. Search out posts about them here at WHT. Email each company in turn asking your presales questions.

Good luck find a company.
Cheers
Jeff

I am not trying to be mean or anything. I am probably going to get negative feedback for expressing what's on my mind, when I read this thread, I am sorry if I am making someone made because of this. But it's crazy how everyone feels you should take what Osama Bin Laden....or whatever he's name is and that other guy in Iraq....sorry I dont remember he's name....did and blame it all on the Iraq people. I mean I am a US citizen and I was born here...Black American. But, how can you all say you dont want to host a website where they are expressing their opinion....taking up for someone they obviously love and admire. That's like saying....I dont want to host a website about God or something because HE killed alot of innocent people in the Bible....children and stuff. I dont believe that.....using that as an example.

What about white Americans......I guess it wasnt a problem when they beat, raped and killed African Americans, huh? Where they heroes? What about the Jews and Hitler? I dont see anybody complaining about what Hitler did. Kinda funny how he got a book written about him and everything.....some people think he's a hero.....because alot of people dont like Jews.

Osama Bin Laden is no different from Hitler or those Whites that had slaves. He is evil and cruel. But to take it out on the WHOLE Islamic race...is cruel. That young gentleman has a right to have whatever on his website.....Osama may be a God to him.....hopefully NOT....but if he is you people should respect that.

Simple freedom of speech even if we may not agree its still our freedom. As long as it does not say kill americans then its is fine with most people. Just because we do not agree does not mean he does not have the right to express his opinions.

LOL so Coach is against Free speech now??
Good digging by the way..

The site ITSELF is not seem to be Pro - terrorist..
that comment was from a users of the forums and others denounce the acts in same forum.

Anyway it is wrong to kill innocent people whoever they are, and wherever they are.

So attacks of any kind on ordinary civilians anywhere by anyone is very wrong.


What did destroying the world trade center ,killing 4 planes filled with people,crashing into the pentigon do 4 the religion of Islam and for Muslims .
All i see it did was make things worse on all counts not better .
hate fixes nothing ,and if the world trade center was an act of love 4 Allah then I worry what act will next be commited


So what discussions about these topics qualify it as a supporting terrorism now, is that what your inferring??

Originally posted by Coach
Well, this kind of jumped out at me.

Bin Laden Is Not An Terrorist!!!, about our freedom fighters (http://gawaher.com/i2/index.php?act=ST&f=65&t=1923&)

I'm not going to comment either way on that site. Some people feel strongly enough where they wouldn't host that type of content. Most major companies could care less, I'm sure but some small operation may highly disagree with the content of some site. It's not always about the money.

Anyway, click on that link. It's interesting to see how some Muslims feel about 9/11 and Bin Laden.


Coach, if that thread were the general tone of that forum I would say hosting them would not be wise but I took the time to read several threads and it seems like a well ordered and intellegent forum that offers a diverse look at more than just the muslim religion. They didn't censor that thread nor did they censor another thread posted by an American whose soul intent was to disrespect the religion.
In fact, the disrespectful thread was dealt with, with far more respect than the poster offered.

Originally posted by sallam
But approaching a few hosts, and after they reviewed my web site, http://www.gawaher.com , they refused to host me. I got replies like "I'm very sorry, but because of what's going on between our two countries it would not be a good idea at this time"....

Um. Wow. I don't think I've ever heard of a host reviewing a potential client's website before sign-up.

I've been with Hummingbird Hosting since the end of February, with nary a problem. they're not terribly expensive, are quite reliable, and (AFAIK) don't care what you host as long as it's not illegal:

http://www.hummingbirdhosting.com

Try www.sa-host.com

They are from Saudia Arabia with US based servers.


I do not want to sound mean but just as you have every right to have forums in which people diss US and its policies, some webhosting companies have every right to deny you as a customer if they think it is a delicate matter.

OFF TOPIC

Now, you answer a off topic question for me.

Say you are an islamic host .. will you allow me to host if I put anti islamic forums and jewsih or Hindu propaganda ?

I stayed in 8 islamic countries and was there in Aramco compound in Dharan, KSA in 1991 during peak of Gulf War.

I hate to generalize, but most islamic nations and their citizens have no respect for other religions, now the same is coming back to you.

Feels bad, doesn't it ?

I disagree with that, I spent christmas / new year out in Malaysia and wouldnt give a second thought on going back - the people (80% muslim) from any walk of life (beit farmer to business man) bent over backwards to help in anyway they could, and it was depressing on the airplane thinking that in about 10 hours I would be back in london where the rat race thrives.

only drawback is that their fastest internet connection was ISDN and they only had 1 ISP (in the area i was at), that wasnt very stable to say the least.

Didnt get such a warm reception in Thailand mind.

Originally posted by missy-sedai
Um. Wow. I don't think I've ever heard of a host reviewing a potential client's website before sign-up. While I cannot speak for anyone else I do it all the time. In fact that is one of the first things I do. I want to make sure there is no pornography, warez, or hate material just to name a few. That is also the very reason why I would never use an automatic account creation script. Far too easy to allow abuse.

There have been quite a few suggestions for Hosts for the thread starter. I'm sure he'll be able to get the hosting he needs...

designNYC, did you bother to read any of this forum before making your post?

Originally posted by Watcher_TVI
While I cannot speak for anyone else I do it all the time. In fact that is one of the first things I do. I want to make sure there is no pornography, warez, or hate material just to name a few. That is also the very reason why I would never use an automatic account creation script. Far too easy to allow abuse.

We do the same.

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What about white Americans......I guess it wasnt a problem when they beat, raped and killed African Americans, huh? Where they heroes? What about the Jews and Hitler? I dont see anybody complaining about what Hitler did. Kinda funny how he got a book written about him and everything.....some people think he's a hero.....because alot of people dont like Jews.
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Funny, before the "white Americans" who beat raped and killed African Americans it was the Spanish Americans (while there was still a Spanish Empire and Spanish settlements here (florida northward)) who were in fact were trading "stock" from North Africa. It was the Spanish who brought slavery to North America and were originally responsible for it. And yet I never see anyone complaining about the Hispanic treatment of the blacks.

I think, in general, its dangerous to generalize or to make generalizations. I think racial generalizations of any kind are dangerous.

Cheers
Jeff

Hey guys. This isn't the lounge. The guy is looking for hosting of his website, not looking for an open political debate.

From the few threads on his site I read the vast majority of it was less 'rabid' than this thread is about to become if it keeps going on.

lounge material

Originally posted by Watcher_TVI
While I cannot speak for anyone else I do it all the time. In fact that is one of the first things I do. I want to make sure there is no pornography, warez, or hate material just to name a few. That is also the very reason why I would never use an automatic account creation script. Far too easy to allow abuse.


If you don't mind my asking, what's your procedure for this?

Do you ask the potential customer to send you his site first? What if he doesn't have a site yet, and is looking to secure his hosting first?

Do people raise hell with you about this practice, or do they see it as reasonable for their protection and yours?

My own host had me agree to the TOS at order time (No spam, porn, warez, hacking, virus distribution, yada, yada, yada), but never asked to see my site first. Account setup defintely wasn't instant or automatic - it took several hours and a little back and forth to get situated.

(I do know they've reviewed it since then, as they tossed in a few extras for me when I went to upgrade - I had been rather loudly singing their praises for rescuing me from FP hell, for which they thanked me. I rather expect a host to periodically check a site, though.)

Note: I don't think reviewing a site prior to hosting to ensure the TOS is adhered to is a bad thing, I'm just surprised to hear that it's done, and wondering how one goes about it.

The simple reason that I wouldn't host it and a lot others may not even be the content. Its the fact that the site will be a target for DoS, IMO your site isn't worth my servers getting attacked.

That would be whats going through a host's mind.

I think a host has a right to refuse whatever site they want. I wouldn't host a site that I personally disagreed with for any amount of money. I'm glad that some hosts are not just out to make a buck and have their own principles in which they stand up for (even though I don't quite agree with them) I also think that the client is making the right choice by moving on without criticizing those hosts for their decision. I don't see why folks are doing that here.

Sallam, I've read a few posts on this board discussing the provision of services that you seem to be looking for. I recommend that you do a search and type 'Islamic' or 'Muslim' on this forum and see if you can find what you need. As I'm not Muslim I really don't know any host personally. Good luck.

Yeah, neonlexx, but that applies to any religious site. Christian sites seem to be just as much of a target to DoS attacks as Islamic sites. Would you refuse them? Not trying to goad you, just wondering ^_^;;

Originally posted by blue27
designNYC, did you bother to read any of this forum before making your post?

Any of this forum ? WTH is that ?

Maybe you meant forum rules ?

All I did was I narrate my personal opinion & experience...

Originally posted by Andrew_Ge
I disagree with that, I spent christmas / new year out in Malaysia and wouldnt give a second thought on going back - the people (80% muslim) from any walk of life (beit farmer to business man) bent over backwards to help in anyway they could, and it was depressing on the airplane thinking that in about 10 hours I would be back in london where the rat race thrives.

only drawback is that their fastest internet connection was ISDN and they only had 1 ISP (in the area i was at), that wasnt very stable to say the least.

Didnt get such a warm reception in Thailand mind.

Off topic

Wait a minute, Thailand ?
Did you go to Pattaya in "Bang"kok or what ?

hehe.. no wonder they got pissed at you :)

Thailand is sin land :P


Malayaisa is different ..I was talking about Arab /middle east OPEC nations and few in North Africa.

India, where I am from originally, has 125 million muslim population, second largest in the world after Indoneasia. Its all good over there too .. maybe spare a few hot spots recently.

Originally posted by ochiba
Yeah, neonlexx, but that applies to any religious site. Christian sites seem to be just as much of a target to DoS attacks as Islamic sites. Would you refuse them? Not trying to goad you, just wondering ^_^;;

I have hosted a few various religion based sites in the past, however lately with the current affairs of the US and other countries. Islamic sites are more targets then anything else, especially with content relating to bin laden and praising his actions.

I actually sponsor a packetstorm mirror which is just a bunch of hacking related tools and other files. I do not have any problems with DoS attacks.

Freedom of speech is a great thing and even though I may not support what a site has on it, I will host it. However when it starts impacting my servers and resources, thats when I draw the line.

I'd say that site just cries for dDos attacks.

Originally posted by designNYC
Any of this forum ? WTH is that ?

Maybe you meant forum rules ?

All I did was I narrate my personal opinion & experience...


No, nothing to do with WHT rules. I meant the forum in question.

Originally posted by Esr Tek
LOL so Coach is against Free speech now??
Good digging by the way..

The site ITSELF is not seem to be Pro - terrorist..
that comment was from a users of the forums and others denounce the acts in same forum.

So what discussions about these topics qualify it as a supporting terrorism now, is that what your inferring??

I am absolutely not against free speech. An interesting way to counter those that hate America is to ask them how they would have a forum to express those views if it weren't for your ability to speak your mind in this country.

The majority of the discussion on that forum is indeed very civil and full of interesting topics. I'm not saying that the site itself is pro-terrorism. Like Blue said earlier, that is simply one topic made by a visitor to the site. We have people that come onto WHT and make moronic comments, but one or even several users' opinions do not make a board fall into a specific catagory. Like was pointed out, there were several people in that thread that countered the notion that Bin Laden was not a terrorist and what he did certainly didn't help the cause of Islam.

The reason why I posted that link is just to give people another view of why a host may not be comfortable with hosting a site with that kind of discussion going on among its members. There was indeed discussion of the approval of killing of Americans with comments like "They fight for our islamic future in freedom.we need to help those activities" and other comments condoning Osama's actions.

I certainly don't think that the thread starter's site is a hate site, but I also wanted to play devil's advocate and show people why some companies or individuals wouldn't be comfortable with it. I didn't mean for my comments to turn this into a political debate.

It's not really a "muslim" thing. It's more of a sunni/wahabi thing.

Shias do come under muslim, yet their belief on "jihad" is different, it's not about bombing Israeli buses and blowing up buildings.

Oh well...

Originally posted by Coach
I certainly don't think that the thread starter's site is a hate site, but I also wanted to play devil's advocate and show people why some companies or individuals wouldn't be comfortable with it. I didn't mean for my comments to turn this into a political debate.

I should've known that w/ you ;)

This is what kills me about people.

Free speech only when it suits them! Either it's free speech - or it's not.

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. I really didnt want to begin debating the war here... but you all have left me no choice.

I hope everyone does realize that the attacks of Sept 11 and all the attacks that are sure to follow and the deaths of innocent civilians and our enlisted soilders whould have never happened had the United Snakes of America kept its nose on its own face.

All you so called experts on international affairs :rolleyes: should take this one to the lounge. This is the web hosting forum.

Let's not turn this into a political/racial thread or it will hit the trash bin very soon. Read the first post and help the guy/gal out with suggestions please.