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Windows 2000 Server
Dell PowerEdge Server
Pentium III 933Mhz
256MB RAM
9GB SCSI Ultra HD
PCAnywhere
ServU FTP 3

5 GB Bandwidth
2U Rackspace at our Datacentre
Power Backup
Tape Rotation/Daily Backup
Remote Response
Managed Firewall

Just £295.00 a month from £400

Thanks

Rob aka Kipper

do you have any control panel solutions available ?

only 5GB? I would expect at least 50GB for that pice.

Originally posted by Furton
only 5GB? I would expect at least 50GB for that pice.

Not in the UK !

why not in the UK?

I have looked at several providers in the UK, adn I have seen prices as low as £199/MBit.

the best price i have seen for quality is around £600 for 1/4 rack and 2MBit, now if you offer 5GB with that, a whole rack wouldn`t even use the 2MBit.

I jus beleive that hosts in the UK will not comit to as much bandwidth as larger companies in the US, I know I wouldn`t, as there is not that great a demand for local hosting in the UK.

I am not trying to detract from the offer here, and the actual server specs are pretty decent for the price, remembering that components cost more here in the UK also. Maybe if kipper posted additional transfer costs, which were reasonable, then it would make more sense. At present, I see no reason to get a dedicated server if you only have 5GB traffic, no matter how much is bundled. You can argue about security, but i believe that is a specialised market.

bandwidth prices in europe have fallen in general over the last year, I know a person from Sweden, who hard as it is to believe( and i know i will get some people tellig me this is bull, I thought the same myself when the person first told me) is getting a T1 for 250 Swedish crowns, around $25-30. I don`t know how this is poss. but it is happening.

anyway this is getting off-topic.

i would like to see additional transfer charges, as i think that the offer is maybe slightly redundant with that amount of transfer.

Thanks for the comments, we have now put that package up to 10GB. It's quite funny really as 90% of dedicted customers dont use more than 5GB so we guessed this would be a good starting point, but fair doo's, we have put it upto 10GB inclusive.

I think we are pretty reasonable for prices per GB i think £11.50 which is amongst the lowest, when you look at Easynet @ £50/GB. We can do fixed IP but never find that popular, think 2mb circuit is £11k/p.a

The reason its so much more expensive here is the suppluers of hardware, in the US its much more compeitive, some of our sister companies can do the same deal for half the price, but as you know "rip off britain" is an issue for all internet users here.

cheers guys!

do you have any control panel solutions available ?
Mahinder Dangwani.

Yes we can offer this as an additional package. Basically we use our API system from our virtual hosting, we are happy to white label it but i dont think this will be available for a month or two.

Cheers

Kip

Originally posted by ezpzhosting
why not in the UK?

I have looked at several providers in the UK, adn I have seen prices as low as £199/MBit.

the best price i have seen for quality is around £600 for 1/4 rack and 2MBit, now if you offer 5GB with that, a whole rack wouldn`t even use the 2MBit.

I jus beleive that hosts in the UK will not comit to as much bandwidth as larger companies in the US, I know I wouldn`t, as there is not that great a demand for local hosting in the UK.

I am not trying to detract from the offer here, and the actual server specs are pretty decent for the price, remembering that components cost more here in the UK also. Maybe if kipper posted additional transfer costs, which were reasonable, then it would make more sense. At present, I see no reason to get a dedicated server if you only have 5GB traffic, no matter how much is bundled. You can argue about security, but i believe that is a specialised market.

bandwidth prices in europe have fallen in general over the last year, I know a person from Sweden, who hard as it is to believe( and i know i will get some people tellig me this is bull, I thought the same myself when the person first told me) is getting a T1 for 250 Swedish crowns, around $25-30. I don`t know how this is poss. but it is happening.

anyway this is getting off-topic.

i would like to see additional transfer charges, as i think that the offer is maybe slightly redundant with that amount of transfer.


Soz, UK prices are not dropping that much.
Webfusion sell additional bandwidth for 2p+VAT a mb.
0.02 x 1024 = £20.48 X 0.175(vat) = £24.04 for 1GB of extra bandwidth.

This is about the same for any UK webhost including places like PSINet, ClaraNet, UUNet Pipex etc

A couple of months back, I was enquiring a dedicated line here in the UK... they want £6,000+vat a year for a 64K line, £8,000+vat for a 128k line and £25,000+vat for a 1024k line!

Those prices may be high because I don't live in London. If I lived there, knock off about £1,000 - £5,000 off those prices.

So in all fairness, kippers deal is good for a UK company.

--James

hmmm...... I don`t think £11.50 is amongst the lowest, especially given the initial price.

I am not speculating, the prices I quoted above are actual offers that I have had from providers in the UK.

with a 1/4 and 2MBit for £600, I think the price per MB is a lot less than £11.50/GB. I am not saying that you cannot charge that, but i think that too many hosts in the uk claim and unfair disadvantage at bandwidth prices, when they are not that much worse than the US.

I would prolly say that decent bandwidth in the UK should cost no more than double the US equivalent.

As I said in my earlier post, I have seen deals as low as £199/MBit. I will not post the location or company offering this, as it would go against forum rules, but anyone wishing more info should e-mail/PM me and I will give you any info you want.

I am still not questioning the validity of this offer. For the server specs it is not bad, considering cost prices in the UK jus now.

A 64k line in the UK would prolly be a waste of money now, due to ADSL being launched. I don`t know, maybe you stay in an area with an older exchange that doesn`t work yet, but the main costs involved with a dedicated line are the install and maintenance cost in the UK, you would probably not find that much difference if you upped that to 1 or 2 MBit, at least not proportional to the speed.

I don`t know what kippers cost price is per GB, but if it genuinley is so high as to warant a retail of £11.50/GB, then i seriously suggest that he finds a diferent network provider.

In fact while i was enquiring about the viability of running a better value ded service from the UK a couple of months ago, I was actually offered a whole rack in a new london NOC, as long as I was brining in new fibre connections, which can`t be bad.

If you have any questions kipper about the the options I have been discussing here, please feel free to ask me, either privately, or publicly on this board. After I had looked at the viability of a project like this for me, I eventually decided that there wasn`t actually enough of a demand for this kind of service in the UK. I take my hat of to you and your company for making such an offer reality, with what I perceived to be a very low demand.

god luck with your venture anyway, and I recognise your attempt to better your offer already by upping the allowance to 10GB, it just shows that you are a reasonable person, and that will listen to opinions and needs of your customers, which is always a big help in any bussiness, especially hosting, where comapnys can rise or fall on reputation alone.

Originally posted by kipper
do you have any control panel solutions available ?
Mahinder Dangwani.

Yes we can offer this as an additional package. Basically we use our API system from our virtual hosting, we are happy to white label it but i dont think this will be available for a month or two.

Cheers

Kip

can you give me the name of control panel software you will provide me with extra cost ?

I don`t know what kippers cost price is per GB, but if it genuinley is so high as to warant a retail of £11.50/GB, then i seriously suggest that he finds a diferent network provider.

In fact while i was enquiring about the viability of running a better value ded service from the UK a couple of months ago, I was actually offered a whole rack in a new london NOC, as long as I was brining in new fibre connections, which can`t be bad.

If you have any questions kipper about the the options I have been discussing here, please feel free to ask me, either privately, or publicly on this board. After I had looked at the viability of a project like this for me, I eventually decided that there wasn`t actually enough of a demand for this kind of service in the UK. I take my hat of to you and your company for making such an offer reality, with what I perceived to be a very low demand.

god luck with your venture anyway, and I recognise your attempt to better your offer already by upping the allowance to 10GB, it just shows that you are a reasonable person, and that will listen to opinions and needs of your customers, which is always a big help in any bussiness, especially hosting, where comapnys can rise or fall on reputation alone.

It all really depends on your backbone provider to as what the cost works out. ISP's have to justify the other services they add to a customer so it cant be just based on £/GB. You can buy bandwidth cheap from someone like UK2.net but the problem is you get downtime, no support, ****** speed and loads of unforseen costs. With our offering we kind of think thats all you need to pay.

Not really a venture though, have been selling these solutions for nearly 2 years and now have over 157customer servers rented out, which isnt too bad... All depends on how you sell it and your repuatation, but thanks for the comments!

The industry is growin at a good rate so its important to be flexible, sounds like you are a sound thinker as well.

Kip

can you give me the name of control panel software you will provide me with extra cost ?


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Mahinder Dangwani.


We have a customer written controlpanel built around COM objects in ASP, so works wonders where off-the-shelf packages miss out.

Kip

Thanks for listening to my views, I do not only speak about uk2net, there are other options.

I respect your views, and your bussiness plan is obviously working with that many customers. I know that you are probably extremely happy with your current provider, I don`t know who they are, or what exactly you look for in a provider, just wondered if you had looked at many other options, especially in London at the moment, prices are falling fast.

I understand, you may be working out of a different location, I myself am from Scotland, and the only real option up here is at Scolocate, an excellent center from what I have read about them, and the customers they pull in, but still that little bit more expensive, probably due to lack of competition up here, the situation in London is escalating to such fierce competition to drive prices down.

Your customers are obviously happy with the service you provide, and think the price fair, or they wouldn`t be there;)

You are being really honest as well. The fact that most of your curent customers don`t use over 5GB a month is very interesting.

I know that your package includes a lot of added value also, backups etc.

Good luck with your offer!

I respect your views, and your bussiness plan is obviously working with that many customers. I know that you are probably extremely happy with your current provider, I don`t know who they are, or what exactly you look for in a provider, just wondered if you had looked at many other options, especially in London at the moment, prices are falling fast.

I understand, you may be working out of a different location, I myself am from Scotland, and the only real option up here is at Scolocate, an excellent center from what I have read about them, and the customers they pull in, but still that little bit more expensive, probably due to lack of competition up here, the situation in London is escalating to such fierce competition to drive prices down.

Our current provider is Easynet plc, currently i think we have a 96mbit tier one with them that seems to be running well. I think when you get a certain point economies of scale can often working in the opposite direction, so costs increase in some respects - more people, more hardware etc etc.

We are based in London which is handy but often find a lot of customers are from outlying areas or away from the capital , but as London is seen as a meca for the internet i suppose people approach companies like us.

Prices will come down for connectivity, but its whether other things like hardware and salaries do as well as they also affect the price.

How is your company fairing of late?

Kip