This is the address listed in the WHOIS for wtfhosting.com:

Registrant:
WTFHosting
100 WTFHosting Blvd.
San Jose, CA 95123
US

Go to mapblast.com and type in that address...NOT FOUND!

Who uses a FAKE address on their domain?!? AND THEY'RE A HOSTING COMPANY! :eek: :erm: :laugh:

:rolleyes:

Of course the WTFHosting blvd. doesn't exist :D

I guess WTF means What the f**k :D

Originally posted by B-Broker
100 WTFHosting Blvd.
You gotta give them points for creativity. :) I also give them a few points for their tagline: "WTFHosting: Web Hosting with Attitude." I'm not sure I'd want to name my business "WTF" though.

Of course, WTF may stand for "Web Technology Foundation" or something. I think the WTFHosting guys post here sometimes, maybe they can chime in with an answer as to what WTF really means.

For those wanting to start a hosting business, the domain name FOHosting.com is available. I even came up with a tag line which you are free to use: "Customer Service with an Attitude."

according to their website... http://www.wtfhosting.com/faq.shtml

What does the 'WTF' in WTFHosting stand for?
Almost everyone we run into asks us this question. Most of the time we reply 'it's up to interpretation', although occasionally, we reply, 'What The F*ck do you think it stands for?'

What a bunch of MORONS!!! :laugh:

Looks like ***** has some competition for the biggest idiots...

Isn't their NOC photo at http://www.wtfhosting.com/index.shtml
taken from the UK2 host?

Just wondering:

"WTFHosting is connected to the internet via multiple DS3 (45mbps) lines directly to an OC-48 backbone. We currently utilize less than 5% of our available bandwidth, and have the ability to quickly upgrade if needed."

http://www.wtfhosting.com/network.shtml

If you're only using 0.05x45mpbs=2.25
why not get 2xT1 = 3.08mpbs
That's a lot cheaper...
Just something I noticed...

I mean, it's pretty cool they have DS3, but they are paying a lot for things they don't use... Now... If you're only at 5% you would have to charge a lot to cover your costs

However, their prices look quite competetive.... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by elijah
according to their website... http://www.wtfhosting.com/faq.shtml

...although occasionally, we reply, 'What The F*ck do you think it stands for?'...

who uses profanity on their website??? :confused: :erm:

Is this "business" professional or what? (sarcastic) :rolleyes:

:eek2: :eek: :eek3: :eek: :eek2:

Originally posted by B-Broker


who uses profanity on their website??? :confused: :erm:

Is this "business" professional or what? (sarcastic) :rolleyes:

:eek2: :eek: :eek3: :eek: :eek2:

I must agree...
Then again, I must say their site looks very nice and clean... Pretty weird...

Originally posted by microsol
Isn't their NOC photo at http://www.wtfhosting.com/index.shtml
taken from the UK2 host?

ROTFLMAO! What's next for this "company"? :eek:

WTFHosting City? :laugh:

Is WTFHosting a reseller of the UK2 host? :confused:

Originally posted by Eagle


I must agree...
Then again, I must say their site looks very nice and clean... Pretty weird...

:Sigh: Unfortunately, looks can be deceiving... :(

That's really sad... :laugh:

Originally posted by MasterMindz
That's really sad... :laugh:

They still haven't changed it! I'm sure they've read this post by now! :laugh:

oh well, they can't be any worse than *****

I've seen the site. What tells you it is a scam? The address? They wouldn't be the first ones to provide inaccurate contact info for a domain, though I'd agree for a business it would be better if they had.

Yes, the name is WTFHosting standing for exactly WTF you'd think it would stand for. Might not be what I'd name my hosting site, though they could have a few domains and use this one to try to get some publicity (which seems to be working if that is the case).

Have they ripped you off? Have you read that they've ripped off others? I'm just trying to figure out why you labled them a 'scam'...

Originally posted by Chicken
I've seen the site. What tells you it is a scam? The address? They wouldn't be the first ones to provide inaccurate contact info for a domain, though I'd agree for a business it would be better if they had.

Yes, the name is WTFHosting standing for exactly WTF you'd think it would stand for. Might not be what I'd name my hosting site, though they could have a few domains and use this one to try to get some publicity (which seems to be working if that is the case).

Have they ripped you off? Have you read that they've ripped off others? I'm just trying to figure out why you labled them a 'scam'...

I think I meant ***** :D

:Chant: Must get away from *****. Must get away from *****.
:Chant: Must bang head on wall. Must bang head on wall.

I can see that registering a fake mailing address may be a poor business practice for a commercial business, but is it wrong, illegal, or a violation of policies to do so?

Originally posted by B-Broker


I think I meant ***** :D

:Chant: Must get away from *****. Must get away from *****.
:Chant: Must bang head on wall. Must bang head on wall.

Well if you meant ***** then post in a ***** thread... I could really care less about them and their scam... I didn't come here to read about how you though ***** was a scam (you seem to think that about every hosting company... oh wait... you mean *****... You just like to post it in EVERY thread on this board).

Originally posted by brandonk


Well if you meant ***** then post in a ***** thread... I could really care less about them and their scam... I didn't come here to read about how you though ***** was a scam (you seem to think that about every hosting company... oh wait... you mean *****... You just like to post it in EVERY thread on this board).

Somebody needs to cry :bawling:

Originally posted by B-Broker
:Sigh: Unfortunately, looks can be deceiving... :(

Not to judge to quickly, but has someone investigated to the originality of that web site? My general experience is if there is one lie, there is likely to be another. WTFHosting ave huh?

Originally posted by gnorthey00


Not to judge to quickly, but has someone investigated to the originality of that web site? My general experience is if there is one lie, there is likely to be another. WTFHosting ave huh?

Good point gnorthey00 :D

Time to start looking for "borrowed" sites :D

We've already made a match on the NOC page...the NOC pic is "borrowed"

Originally posted by MasterMindz
What a bunch of MORONS!!! :laugh:

Looks like ***** has some competition for the biggest idiots...

Alright now, I just got around to finding this post and came here in self-defense. It is truly sad how the people of this board will attack a company they know nothing about. True, we did not use a valid address on our domain registration. Yes, we used profanity once on our website. And yes, we are aware that most people will not agree with our choice of our company name. HOWEVER, we are not a scam, we are not a bunch of morons, and our site design is original and not "borrowed" from any other sites. We do run a straight business, and our clients are completely satisfied with our services. While others such as ***** show their idiocy in their business practices, we do not. If you can judge a company's services on the basis of their name, then that’s no better than judging a book by its cover. We are based in the US, and are not a reseller. I do understand that hosting scams run rampant in this industry and that most are eager to publicize another. I am merely stating that in this situation, those that are quick to judge are incorrect, and should think twice before doing so again.

WTFHosting,
I might not agree with your name, but I certainly agree with you.
It seems like a few have decided that, since you didn't fully disclose all information to your registrar, you must be a scam.
Hmmm . . . .Someone supplying a fake name or a fake address:rolleyes: Seems quite a common practice these days.
I am at a loss why you were singled out and riddiculed. I can only say that I wish you the best of luck in your "hosting with attitude" venture.
I am actually at a loss for words. I have reviewed this whole thread. And, if I had been involved I would feel a need to apologise to you :rolleyes:

What a bunch or morons you guys are!

Bashing a company you have no clue about.
Why not hit the guy up on ICQ or something?
Why not call the toll free #?

It really does show who the true morons really are.
Acting like 12 year old punks ganging up on him. Sheesh.

Goodluck with YOUR businesses. With that attitude, I do not see you going to far for to long.


Ciao

Hey evertheory, if you'd read the thread you'd see that there was really only one person doing any bashing, the rest of the posts were related to the curiosity of why a business that presented itself so well in their website would choose such a strange name (plus some questions about obviously false information on their domain name registration--which I personally found more humorous than fradulent). I don't see this thread as bunch of "12 year old punks" ganging up on anyone. Before *you* go bashing people, read and pay attention to what was said.

Originally posted by IntelligentHosting.com
Hey evertheory, if you'd read the thread you'd see that there was really only one person doing any bashing, the rest of the posts were related to the curiosity of why a business that presented itself so well in their website would choose such a strange name (plus some questions about obviously false information on their domain name registration--which I personally found more humorous than fradulent). I don't see this thread as bunch of "12 year old punks" ganging up on anyone. Before *you* go bashing people, read and pay attention to what was said.

Agreed. I brought this thread up because I noticed an odd WHOIS entry. No puns were intended towards WTFHosting or anyone else for that matter.

Very nice looking site, even though it does look a little strange in Netscape (4.5).

Just noticed mine looking odd w/Netscape so I thought I'd check out some other sites :cool: and see if they had the same problem.

Originally posted by evertheory
What a bunch or morons you guys are!

Bashing a company you have no clue about.
Why not hit the guy up on ICQ or something?
Why not call the toll free #?

It really does show who the true morons really are.
Acting like 12 year old punks ganging up on him. Sheesh.

Goodluck with YOUR businesses. With that attitude, I do not see you going to far for to long.


Ciao
You have a lot of self-confidence coming in to this thread and throwing out insults in every direction. You are only contradicting your own statements by your immature and puerile behavior. Declaring us "guys" morons then right away you claim that we are "12 year old punks." Then again, you contradict your own statement by making assumptions about our lives (I don't even own a web hosting business). With your attitude, I really do not see how you get around in life.

I think MasterMindz and B-Broker need to go back and read their posts in this thread.:rolleyes:
On the other hand IntelligentHosting.com did say nothing disparaging.
And on my other hand (Hey!! I can have three hands) evertheory probably could have used better judgement than calling people names.

Just my thoughts. . . . . . Feel free to flog me now:rolleyes:

I was only following B-Broker's announcement that "WTFHosting" was a "scam". It made me suspicious that they used fraudulent information to conduct their business. I do admit, and I never denied that I used juvenile language and I see the lack of maturity in my previous post.

Originally posted by MasterMindz
I was only following B-Broker's announcement that "WTFHosting" was a "scam". It made me suspicious that they used fraudulent information to conduct their business. I do admit, and I never denied that I used juvenile language and I see the lack of maturity in my previous post. Very nicely said ;)

I think that B-Broker is just an instigator:rolleyes:
Look how he got everybody in trouble.


:D :D

Originally posted by MasterMindz
I was only following B-Broker's announcement that "WTFHosting" was a "scam". It made me suspicious that they used fraudulent information to conduct their business. I do admit, and I never denied that I used juvenile language and I see the lack of maturity in my previous post.

:uhh: WTF (lmao)

Actually, I was referring to another host. I have nothing against WTFHosting albeit their name is a bit offensive.

No puns intended.

Now back to reguarily scheduled programming...

wow the wolf pack is out,

lies scams froud? this is too much, personaly I think its funny, if they ment it as anything other than a joke then they are idiots. Forgetthe wtf what street do you know of that has the word hosting in it? take a joke people and move on, I mean wtf is going oin here?

Thank you
Jason Miller:homer:

lol, how redundant is this thread? One guy brings up something funny, the group bashes it, the owner defends himself, and everyone switches sides.
:confused:

thats not redundant, nothing redundant about a good old fashioned witch hunt. mob rule rocks after all now doesnt it. I long for the good old days of the great potatoe famun, yes those were the days, one could be hung, shot, ran through with a pitch fork, just for being in the wrong place at the right time.

Thank you
Jaosn Miller:homer:

btw the e in otatoe was a joke, as is all the other mis spelled words, I just don't know what they are.

I spent time readin with interest the thread and although I saw a lot of interesting, funny comments, I am still not able to find out if the service is actually good.
I also check in the WHOIS database and found out that their secondary DNS is a remote DNS from http://www.easydns.com .
The offer is really atractive:
PHP+ASP+telnet+CGI-bin+static IP+.htaccess+ftp+SSI for 22USD/month.
Can't find an address (even tried the reverse lookup directory with the 877 number.

So as someone tried it?

In response to the EasyDNS name servers, we chose to outsource our secondary DNS servers for redudancy. We have 4 secondary DNS servers listed in addition to our own. These 4 belong to EasyDNS and are on seperate networks in seperate geographical locations, increasing our DNS server redudancy.

Not that i'm fond of seeing this post back at the top of the forums again.

This thread is a prime example of the occasional thread that goes awry. "Web Hosting with an Attitude" - using WTF is pretty obviously a marketing decision, one that will work for some and not for others, like many marketing decisions. Their site looks very professional to me. Some of us consider WTF to be a pretty mild epithet.

My first post/question on this board was about using some bogus info in your registration data. I'm glad to see I'm not remotely the only one who doesn't necessarily want to publicize every detail of my business.

However, I would probably choose something not so obviously bogus ;)

Her is the info I get.



Target: www.wtfhosting.com
Date: 9/17/01 (Monday), 7:57:15 AM
Nodes: 17


Node Data
Node Net Reg IP Address Location Node Name
17 1 1 209.126.170.65 San Diego www.wtfhosting.com


Packet Data
Node High Low Avg Tot Lost
17 102 84 86 15 0


Network Data
Network id#: 1
California Regional Internet, Inc. (NETBLK-CARI)
8929A COMPLEX DRIVE
SAN DIEGO, CA 92123
US

Netname: CARI
Netblock: 209.126.128.0 - 209.126.175.255
Maintainer: CALI

Coordinator:
California Regional Intranet, Inc. (IC63-ARIN) sysadmin@cari.net
858-974-5080

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS1.CARI.NET 216.98.128.70
NS2.CARI.NET 216.98.138.70

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 22-Aug-2000.
Database last updated on 15-Sep-2001 23:13:05 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related


Registrant Data
Registrant id#: 1
The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network
Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining
information about or related to a domain name registration record.
Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a
WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful
purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to:
(1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail
(spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting
this query, you agree to abide by this policy.
Registrant:
WTFHosting
185 Monterrey Rd
Montgomery, TX 77356
US

Domain Name: WTFHOSTING.COM

Administrative Contact:
Supp, Grant gsupp@wtfhosting.com
185 Monterrey Rd
Montgomery, TX 77356
US
877-381-9433

Technical Contact:
Supp, Grant gsupp@wtfhosting.com
185 Monterrey Rd
Montgomery, TX 77356
US
877-381-9433

Billing Contact:
Supp, Grant gsupp@wtfhosting.com
185 Monterrey Rd
Montgomery, TX 77356
US
877-381-9433


Record last updated on 16-Sep-2001.
Record expires on 07-Apr-2002.
Record Created on 07-Apr-2000.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.WTFHOSTING.COM 209.126.170.65
NS2.WTFHOSTING.COM 209.126.170.66
NS1.EASYDNS.COM 216.220.40.243
NS2.EASYDNS.COM 216.220.40.244
REMOTE1.EASYDNS.COM 64.39.29.212
REMOTE2.EASYDNS.COM 212.100.224.80

The previous information has been obtained either directly from the
registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions.
Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or
_____

Originally posted by froidian
However, I would probably choose something not so obviously bogus I don't know... using something so obviously bogus makes it clear that it's not really an attempt at being deceptive; just an attempt to be secretive.

Personally, I tend not to do business with organizations that try to hide who they really are, but I don't see such an obviously fake address as being dishonest per se.

Originally posted by JayC
. . . .Personally, I tend not to do business with organizations that try to hide who they really are, but I don't see such an obviously fake address as being dishonest per se. You're right. I can find nothing "dishonest" about a company that plainly wants to be annonymous.
But, I'm like you; I won't do business with someone that won't admit to who they are.

Well, if this is a REAL business, why can't you put your address? I'm 14, and I have my address on all of my domains.

If you really have an office, why would you PURPOSELY commit illegal acts by inserting false registration information. This is a serious offence, in my book, and I wouldn't do business with you. If you have nothing to hide, why not show it? Is it a home-based business?

-Kyle :D

Gee, I just don't understand the big deal about this address thing. You guys wouldn't run over to alt.misc.junk.mail and post leaving your real, permanent email address would you? If so, you must love spam.

Here it is as simple as I can make it. I'm sure it is quite possible to glean mailing addresses from registration info using automated means. I get a sh*tload of crap in the mail already, I don't want any more for the love of trees.

What if I am a home-based business? I've worked here for over 10 years. But I have no intention of pointing that fact out to everybody, what possible connection does it have to my ability to provide a quality service?

FYI - I have a domain with a real PO box address. But I'm thinking about changing it. There are a lot more reasons than the ones I've listed, mostly related to the fact that, thanks to the internet (which I love) with enough info you can find out what I had for dinner last Tuesday, and I'm not comfortable with that. If you are, then good for you.
:stickout

Originally posted by froidian
. . . . .FYI - I have a domain with a real PO box address. But I'm thinking about changing it. There are a lot more reasons than the ones I've listed, mostly related to the fact that, thanks to the internet (which I love) with enough info you can find out what I had for dinner last Tuesday, and I'm not comfortable with that. If you are, then good for you. . . . .If that's the only main concern . . . :rolleyes: Well I know lots of people that get junk and don't own a web site.
I only own thirty some domains (with all my contact information listed). I have not noticed any increase in spam from when I owned zero domains.
I sure get my share; but it seems I'll always get it whether I have real contact information listed or not.