Okay, so Annette has put in some helpful advice.. But, do we really need to have every other post on this board praising her, and how much of a "god" she is.. Heck, why not create a whole forum just about her, and everyone can post their praises there.

I mean, come on now.. "http://www.annette-scripts.com?", "You should be ADMIN", etc.

Give it a rest people.. As BC puts it, "Sorry, Annette, no credit where it's not due"

Just read the posts, and if you don't have anything constructive to add to Annette's wonderful and extremely helpful advice, shut up.

C'mon, we're all just trying to be friendly to each other...I recently helped Annette and she was quick to thank me as well, so it's not a one-way street.


We read so much arguing on these forums, even if there is too much *kindness* or *praising*, which I don't think there is, it's still MUCH better than too much arguing.

Originally posted by Annoyed
Okay, so Annette has put in some helpful advice.. But, do we really need to have every other post on this board praising her, and how much of a "god" she is.. Heck, why not create a whole forum just about her, and everyone can post their praises there.

I mean, come on now.. "http://www.annette-scripts.com?", "You should be ADMIN", etc.

Give it a rest people.. As BC puts it, "Sorry, Annette, no credit where it's not due"

Just read the posts, and if you don't have anything constructive to add to Annette's wonderful and extremely helpful advice, shut up.



ok so it bothers you that different people praise her for different reasons...well lessee atleast they post who they really are...ohhhhh I get it a flame war is better.

those were peoples personal opinions just like this is yours...and you know the old saying about opinions dont you they are like ******** we all have one.

I for one am happy to see a host get praise from satsfied customers or people she's helped out on the forums, rather than than hosts getting abuse, generally well-deserved, from the dissatisfied. If Annette can garner a reputation for good service and a helpful attitude on the forums, more power to her.

...But...
You know, every so often we get complaints about all the negative posts in the forums. Now that someone (at least one person) is getting positive posts, that's not acceptable either??

Come on Annoyed. Deal with it. Don't other posts annoy you more (i.e. the ones from that idiot who shall remain nameless, so please don't anyone bring up his name --that applies to you too MikeA :) )? I find it refreshing to have all the negativity peppered with positive remarks about some of the people/hosts on this forum.

Take a break, get a cup of jo, and relax... :)

The only problem with that is, when any other company gets a good review or a pat on the back, Annett is the first one in there asking for proof and documentation proving that review. So it seems to me that only the group that hangs out on this board are accepting of good reviews, and because of that I agree with Annoyed. It is sickening what goes on in this board, and she had the nerve to cut down another board for a good reviews for a company there, but she is sucking it up over here.

Originally posted by Agree
The only problem with that is, when any other company gets a good review or a pat on the back, Annett is the first one in there asking for proof and documentation proving that review.

Are you on crack? I have never seen Annette asking for proof to back up good reviews.

She did with TH

Allyn

Originally posted by tk
Take a break, get a cup of jo, and relax... :)

Totally OOC, but I do agree that Joe Paradise is a real good flash cartoon (a cup of joe?);)

She did with TH Ha. I think we'd all have to see that evidence to believe it!

My mistake. I am just starting to visit these forums and I was on about 2 or 3 at once. I got a little confused, put her name inside my head with a different post on, probably, a different board. Sorry everyone and Sorry Annette!

Allyn

Isn't that obvious? I do agree with Annoyed and since this forums is hosted by her it is with no reason that many here are in "her's" favour. Do not misunderstand, i.e Michael Bray's forum isn't that big yet but most people using the forum so far are either friends or "in his favour". Scriptkeeper do the same in a similar way very often you see the same persons doing the posts. People always group together in one way or another and I think if you READ between the lines #Annoyed# or others do not argue Anette's excellent work or her business. I think most people respect her both personal and business level.

Check all the threads in this forum what do you find? Exactly what "Annoyed" was trying to say. Oh.. yeah but then we go and slam him because we don't accept "bad" behavier do we??? Isn't this forum called "WebHostingtalk" why not just rename it to "my little sad corner"? Because that is what will happen when people move on and start using other forums. I did like this forum to start with but it's has become a "not-wanted-Scriptkeeper-Forums" and home for useless talks including my own right now.

Jag, get your forum up ASAP will ya?

I'm sorry. I don't like/dislike Annette for any reason. I don't have accounts hosted by her, nor have I spoken with her more than twice. But...

Annette's company most likely wouldn't have been on the map (practically) had it not been for a certain someone who's life mission, seems to attempt to do her in. This only resulted in 'hostingmatters' becoming something you can't forget. People not only checked out 'hostingmatters', but some signed up, and regardless, they gave her support (against a certain someone).

There are many hosts who come here and their ONLY input to this forum, is to say, "We might have what you are looking for, check us out at blahhosting.com". At least Annette is one of the more helpful people here. She takes the time to do the research to help people, gives good advice most often, and if business should come of it, then that is ok.

Yeah, this post is pointless... I am not even sure I got my point across, nor do I want to anymore. Just be happy people.

No, she can reply in thousands I don't mind personally and my reply wasn't about having her to shut up. It was a reply to #Annoyed#'s post in which I agreed to. Like you said "Is it her fault that a wider variety of people don't post here?" No, it is not. This is the nice thing with the internet "variety" and "different" opinions. I am not asking anyone to shut up I do not have the habit to be rude.

No, I am happy if she is successful in her business or if she helps out a bit. But you see all this circus with Davey having the hole lot reply to his posts tells more about "us" than him heh? Think about that, ...and to even keep it going going going. Yes, I brought it back now I know, just wanted to give you the example with the replies. You see if no one had replied what do you think would have happen...? He'd talk to himself and off he'd go.

Anyway, I will shut up and move back to my place. I probably had a bad day and since I have stopped smoking I am all desperate in something strong... have a nice one and no offense to anyone. It's like what chicken said: it should be a happy place...

You stopped smoking!! You mad B****rd! *lol*

I've just been sitting using that horrid live help panel at domaindirect and firing off nasty emails left, right and center to everyone but Bob and his dog.

Personally I think my smoking is about to go through the roof till this little issue of mine is over with passwords and domain names etc.

Ok off topic sooo...

I'll grant it gets to be a bit of a lovefest for hostingmatters, but I'm more than happy to poke my mitt in the air and say I'm one of those hippies throwing flowers around. Hell, in the past week I think I've aged Stephanie 10 years but she's still seems to be happy answering my sometimes numerous requests. If I got that level of support at my old host I would have probably never left.

I'd rather see a healthy bit of debate and discussion and even some offtopic threads about small animals if need be. Sure answers are what we need, but the internet lacks enough of the human element without forcing text book like responses into forums as well.

Well, I'm off for another smoke while I poke at my email box again *lol*

All things considered, this is one of the nicest forums for people who are trying to get help about web hosting. One of the main reasons this forum has stayed relatively nice is because of people like Annette, Duster, Daniel, and many others who honestly try to help people out. This forum has managed to stay fairly clean and open. Does this place have its share of problems – yes! No place is perfect.

I see many people who are looking for an unbiased opinion. No place will ever be totally unbiased because there is not such thing as unbiased. Others try to find complete affirmation that the host they are about to choose is “perfect.” The problem with most forums of this nature, is one will seldom see posts from happy customers with a company since most of the happy people are not looking for hosts.

I am glad that people like Annette regularly visit this forum and try to help people out. There may be problems here, but I have seen a lot worse.

Coreace heh, that is what I am like *when* I am smoking. I really don't know what I'd be like without it now. 8 hours with 20 kids who could give a crap about what you are saying, then dealing with parents who either don't speak English or don't much care about what "little Billy" is doing (or BOTH), gets on one's nerves.

*frolics, throws flowers around*

For akashik: I have a small dwarf russian hamster named Cujo (likes to nip digits). Yesterday, my friend nicknamed it "the bug", heh. Fits perfectly.

Originally posted by Chicken
8 hours with 20 kids who could give a crap about what you are saying, then dealing with parents who either don't speak English or don't much care about what "little Billy" is doing (or BOTH), gets on one's nerves.


A teacher? My oldest just had his first(ever) day of school Wednesday the teachers seem surprised that Im wanting (more like insisting) to be involved. Im really surprised more parents arent.

Sorry for the off topic post:)

OK. IF you are going to complain come up with a solution. Annette has done some of the best damn things to help people as much as she can.
When recommending someone for hosting, she checks them out, why you say? Because it is her ass on the line, her reputation!! We live in a society today where kids are picked on because of their sneakers, it doesnt mean they are not the sweetest kindest, down to earth people. They are judged on the way the way they look, or dress. So why not say something to make ones day, not make it shittier than it usualy is. We all are people who descrimnateagainst other things, or people. We dont an orange because it may have a bad spot on it, or a car because it has a scratch on the hood. This is just way we look at people or what they write. Don't lie, why not support someone than piss them off and make an enemy of someone you dont even know.

Chris

Annette checks out host and tries to help people, when she does she does it in a fashion to help not get more customers, she tries to make everyone succeed not just one. She has a damn decent heart and someone thinks its wrong, what the F$%k is up with that. Peoples days are usually ******, so why not a compliment or a simple little grin, that will make their day better no matter how bad it is. Annette is not the only one that gets complments around here. When someone slams a host everyone says something good or bad about them like they are an angry mob. 99% of the people on here do not know anyone else. Grow up people. Let someone succed if you can't.

Chris

You know what it is? Not to slam "annoyed," but there are a lot of people out there who are very unhappy, regardless of how their day went. And since I've been visiting forums, I see a lot of these people post their negative comments, whether they're trolls or not.

It's like they want to take their unhappiness out on others, and forums are really a perfect place to do it as they can do it anonymously, and then stick around and see the results. I think there's a psychological name for this behaviour, but it escapes me at the moment.

Of course, I'm not talking about crappy or dishonest web hosts, who deserve to be "outed." Just those people who want to have a pity party just to have one.

Originally posted by Bill K.
I think there's a psychological name for this behaviour, but it escapes me at the moment.



Is f**ked up, self important loser the term you're looking for?

:)

Ok, sorry that was a cheap shot...

Greg Moore
http://www.akashik.net

after reading through this thread, i must say taht i have been searching for good forums on devoted to webhosting...

and webhostingtalk takes the cake !!!!

if those who complain know of better forums, then post them here... cuz i have looked and looked and am still looking... haven't still succeeded in finding a better place to learn about webhosting !!!

TIME IS MONEY... right ?

So the very fact that regular members like
Annette, BC, Chicken, Dana, Duster, FlashTechnics, fthosting, SarasotaWeb and so many others take out their time to help people they just don't know is really really appreciated.

I treat most of the informative posts on this forum as MONEY earned... because a lot of time is saved learning from experience... out here one can learn from others' mistakes or from others' opinions, their better knowledge and experience.

There are numerous posts here that don't merit reading... like this one !!!! LOL !!!!! and i am reminded of my neighbour who constantly complains "There is so much of violence and nudity shown on television these days."

I wonder why she doesn't simply switch off the box ????

'nuff said already :)

Learner

The Japanese have a saying, "the nail that sticks up is the one that gets pounded". No matter how nice you are, if people take notice of you, it seems to annoy some people. On another forum I read, one dealing with a leisure activity, there is a person who has never flamed anyone and has only been helpful (not me, but it has been true of me before, I no longer post on that forum). You might think that that should be enough to escape criticism. It should be, but isn't.

Every now and then somebody posts criticizing this person and for others fawning upon him. I'll grant that some people ask him specifically for advice he may not be prepared to answer, but it is hardly reason to post an objection to it.

There are people who get their feathers ruffled whenever someone else gets too much attention, even if that person has been nothing but helpful. Whether it is out of jealousy, insecurity, or some other reason, such people are probably best ignored, along with any who attack people.

It's one thing to criticize people who only seek to insult and disrupt. It's quite another to criticize those who only help. When you start finding fault with those who help others, the fault lies much closer to home. You can find it in any mirror.



-------------------------
I disavow any knowledge of godhood. I'm just a guy trying to help others avoid choosing the wrong host and learning the lessons I did the hard way.

See http://techcellence.net (right side menu) for resources to help and things I've learned.

I couldn't of said it better myself Duster!

There are many different types of people in this world, and unfortunately, we have to tolerate a lot of them. It's like the old saying, "nice guys finish last". Well not in my world.

:)

And we also have the Sheep. Cut a hole in the fence, what do the sheep do? They do what sheep do...

Originally posted by Agree
The only problem with that is, when any other company gets a good review or a pat on the back, Annett is the first one in there asking for proof and documentation proving that review. So it seems to me that only the group that hangs out on this board are accepting of good reviews, and because of that I agree with Annoyed. It is sickening what goes on in this board, and she had the nerve to cut down another board for a good reviews for a company there, but she is sucking it up over here.

Well, if you're going to bitch about me (anonymously), at the very least, if only out of simple courtesy, you could spell my name correctly. And if you were one of the people making a similar post at Scriptkeeper, complete with misspelling, the same goes for there, as well (and on a side note - ever consider that this board talks more about Alabanza simply because there are a bunch of Alabanza hosts here, just as SK has more posts about DT? That's not too hard to figure out.).

I have never asked anyone for proof when a good review or pat on the back is offered to anyone. In fact, I believe it makes all hosts' lives easier when compliments are given to them, because it at least means a little progress is being made on getting rid of the horrible image that hosting has due to (sad to say) the majority of companies out there who have about as much chance of providing decent service as I do of emptying the ocean with a teaspoon.

As for your last comment: I am not "sucking it up" over here. In fact, I would prefer not to be the center of any attention, truth be told. But I have to take the good natured ribbing over here, because it's all meant in fun, and that's how I accept it. I have no idea what other board you think I've cut down for any good reviews given to a host. Any objections I might have to a particular forum is based solely on the way the forum is managed with regard to hosts who have nothing in mind other than spamming their companies or slamming others without cause instead of attempting to provide any real help for those asking questions. If the problem is severe enough, I simply leave and don't return, as I did with SP.

I'm sorry you equate attempting to help people and having a friendlier atmosphere here with "sickening". It occurs to me that it's a very nice change of pace from what appears to be the norm most places.

When your right your right. Annette, I think your a wonderful person who has some of the best ideas, and I have the highest repect for you. And sometimes the dead are raised(Everone know who i am talking about?). Maybe I am off key here. Or is it a bit confusing.

chris

Well, I appreciate that, Chris - I do. It makes helping people more worthwhile to know it's appreciated, although I would probably do it without thanks. Know what's amusing? We find materials from our site, sometimes word for word (sometimes with our name still in the text!), at other hosts' sites - even at places where the host in question has offered up some commentary complaining about us (or, more specifically, me). While I certainly don't mind other people using what I've written, it certainly is ironic that they complain publicly but then feel it's ok to simply lift content without even a simple request, which we would likely grant. Plus, it's just rude. One more reason to be continually vigilant - and one more reason that people look askance at hosting in general.

Anette,
I dont if they realize it but they just made another big thread about , you guessed it , YOU. I think its funny that by complaining about seeing you too much here they just made the same threads they are complaining about. Three cheers for Annette :) , she wins here.

Well, certainly not by my choice. I had considered simply not posting, period, to any forum, any more, since reading the first few messages of this thread, and the one over at SK (and haven't, until today, in fact, posted anywhere) because of crap like this. But, I got talked back into posting by several people, who pointed out that if I have answers that I can give to people, why should I let a couple of naysayers deter me from that? So here we are, right back where we started.

Speaking of which, Annette, I know you don't frequent SitePoint anymore, but Vlad/ThinkHost's been banned from there, and the Web Hosting forum is now moderated. Serves them all right, I dare say.

Annette, threads like these just prove the idiom "One's success often breeds jealousy in others" to be true.

Anyone with an iota of common-sense can realise you are definitely not what some out here falsely accuse you of.

In fact, yesterday I pretty much scanned through the entire forum and it dawned upon me that had it not been for the WEB HOSTING GODS out regularly posting and some others who will soon reach that position, this forum simply wouldn't have been as beneficial to us newbies!!!

And what do genuine dedicated helpers like you guys get in return for your assistance? Nothing but heartfelt gratitude from most of us and scorn from a few.

Oh well... that's a hallmark of SUCCESS!

Learner

The forums aren't really a place you can "win" (said as if there was a contest going or something?). You have views, people will agree/disagree with them, and attaching a company to that view just complicates it a bit. Just keep the love going mannnn, keep it alive.

*hugs tree*

Well I for one am glad that anyone with experience posts here. The 'old hands' could be perfectly reasonable in not posting at all, or helping any of us - instead be spending their time on their own businesses, making money and not aiding the growth of others. After all anyone they help get into this business may start getting the clients they themselves would gain.

While places like this is a good way to get your name out there, it's aimed more at the reselling end of it all, so we're promoting ourselves to each other rather than clients (with a few exceptions of course).

A few months ago the alt.flash newsgroup went into meltdown with most of the major contributors having a gutful of the influx of ********, and leaving. Now at best most advice is a halftruth, or guessing - however well intentioned as questions are answered by people with little more knowledge than the ones wanting help - at least compared to the 'old days'.

I can only say this as a personal message and am not a man who pleads often. I usually let the sticks fall where they will but...

Please stay. Not just Annette, but everyone who has been here helping the rest of us get on our feet. Your advice is savoured by most of us and it would be a shame for yet another corner of the net to go under because of a few faceless morons who don't have the good grace to cut their own throats before opening their mouths.

I've looked at a few other forums like Sitepoint but none of them have the sense of community this one does. This is a valuable resource and should be cherished, and like any forum that value is directly a result of the people who use it.

I get tech support from Annette so should she leave I can still rely on her for that, but I'll usually post questions here as I get the added benefit of not only her knowledge but many others as well. With the knowledge gained from this forum I'm better equiped to build my own little empire and can learn more everyday. I only hope one day soon I can learn enough to put back what I've taken from this place, and when I can, that I'll still see the same names appear, posting along side me.

Ok, I'm done :)

Greg Moore
http://www.akashik.net

Originally posted by akashik
Please stay. Not just Annette, but everyone who has been here helping the rest of us get on our feet. Your advice is savoured by most of us and it would be a shame for yet another corner of the net to go under because of a few faceless morons who don't have the good grace to cut their own throats before opening their mouths.

I second the motion!

I am extremely glad to see pages 2 & 3 of this thread coming back around to being positive and sane.

It's because of the people listed in previous threads, (you know who you are) that I too feel this forum is on top of my list for web hosting information and advice.

Annette, and the others, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK and THANK YOU!

Since my dear friends have covered my thoughts already, all I will say is ditto to page 3.

:)

Annette: I have always enjoyed reading your posts and learning one more thing about the internet and web pages. I am no expert, infact, I am what I would call a newbie. I am on 2 pay hosts, both which sorta fell into my lap, and I am very happy. I am working on another project, and I am not sure, but I may be talking to you sometime soon, it all depends on a couple of things though. Keep up the good work here!

Allyn

The funny thing about this thread is that its effect was the total opposite of what the original poster had in mind
:)
ahhh irony...

*hugs another tree*

Originally posted by Félix C.Courtemanche
The funny thing about this thread is that its effect was the total opposite of what the original poster had in mind
:)
ahhh irony...

Well, Felix, you may recall the saying about making lemonade if you're given nothing but lemons. Love and kindness can disarm hostility. It's a sure bet that returning hostility won't do it.