I need people who actually have *used* the following companies to tell me IF they are worth it! I am moving my 500meg site from Liquidweb this week (due to their new bandwidth rule)


http://www.weinbar.com/whtspecial.html
* E-mailed them, got a reply quite quickly. E-mailed back again but didn't hear a thing......

http://www.ez-web-hosting.com/
* Seem nice - but cannot see any reviews of these guys

http://www.site5.com
* E-mailed them a question, got no response

Please everyone - who do YOU think can kick Liquid Web's butt for specs but without the bandwidth bursting limitations?

Cheers!

Tim

how much time is passed since you send them email.

it is bad to see site5.com in list.

Personally my expectation for support email response is not longer then 12 hours. What's exact allowance you've given them actually? I mean before you are certain there's no reply.

E-mailed them all 24 hours ago.

:( shame Aletiahosting don't do 500meg servers ;)

Why don't you try Venturesonline.com?
;)

Why don't you try Downtownhost.com?
;)

Call me daft, but charging $1.00 a month to point ONE domain seemed a bit of a rip off. I could be wrong of course - maybe Aletia has spoilt me ;)

Site5 is a good reputable company. I have heard complaints about them not answering sales requests promptly, but usually their response time is near excellent with support issues.

Weinbar is also a nice place to go to. They have fast servers and I think they also have new support personnel.

Something else you might want to do, if you like Aletia so much, why don't you use them for most of your content and then get some cheap hosting for the remaining of the files, maybe the ones with less importance?

;)

Well, problem is. I have around 500megs worth of Real Audio files / DJ Mixes and need around 17-20 gig a month to stream the buggers!

GEE, that is quite a bit of bandwidth. That bandwidth alone costs any host $20.00 at the bare minimum :(

Have you considered a dedicated solution? There are providers offering servers from $50.00 /month.

Good luck.

Why don't you get 2 Aletia Essential accounts?
You have there 400 MB and 20 GB Bandwidth for $19.90

From what I heard Site5.com is very good.... I think that a Customer rep is on those boards..


Good luck

Well, I sent an E-mail to Site5 and didn't get anything back. If a host cannot reply to a sales enquiry in under 24 hours....... Pah! ;)

WoW! the weinbar special looks very good!
20 GB Bandwidth and 500 Space only $14.95!

Hi Tim:

I know that Mike sent you a reply as soon as you sent in the second question. So, we did reply as soon as you sent in your request.

Jack, I didn't get the second one - can you please forward it again to me......

Okay, I've ordered the Weinbar WHT Special !

I will let you know what happens.....

Yikes..now to move all these files.....;)

Originally posted by Jedito
WoW! the weinbar special looks very good!
20 GB Bandwidth and 500 Space only $14.95!

Got to love a host that likes to lose money to gain customers. :) . Good luck with your choice. Hope it works out.

Blah blah blah. So you guys found a hidden bandwidth gem? Why don;'t you share it with us. We all want to drool. Last I heard UUNet/Genuity still charge for this.

The way we make money is by providing quality service at reasonable rates and with volume.

Volume. I love this when a host compares their business model to CostCo. As far as service. Great. However I have seen some not so great ones posted here.

After you take Business 101 and look at our books, you can then comment on how we don't make money. Until then, please keep your comments to yourself until you have proof stating otherwise.

Oh, the insults. And you own this company? My comment was simple, and many people do it. You offered a low rate to gain cusotmers. Fine, more power to you. But you can not tell me that you make money off 20 GB's of transfer and 500 MB's of space if all your customers used it for $14.95. No where did I say your company doesn't make money. I stated, I believe that plan you offered is under cost.

"Our secured Data Center is directly connected to a tier-1 provider (UUNet/Genuity) via multiple OC-192's"

This is from your web site. Do you really have "lit" OC 192''s coming into your colo? Not just a pipe for future use, but an actual lit pipe. I am just curious.

Since this is off topic, please PM me so we can continue.

The OC Equation

multiple oc-192s = multiple Cisco Series 12000 GSRs = Close to 1 Million Dollars.


Shouldnt it be "we are connected through a series of OC-129 backbones from major carriers?"

The OC Equation

multiple oc-192s = multiple Cisco Series 12000 GSRs = Close to 1 Million Dollars.


Shouldnt it be "we are connected through a series of OC-129 backbones from major carriers?"

;)

I didnt know you can just turn on an OC3 like a faucet..............

But you have 2 carriers.

Are both of them OC3 switchonable?

I do not own the company. I am a majority stockholder.

Last I heard, a share holder is an owner. Especially a "majority" one.

No, It is not a gem, it is because we buy in such volume. When you purchase 500MBps bandwidth, you get a MUCH better price then when buying 1. Believe me, it comes out to way under $1 per GB.

I am well aware of bandwidth cost. Our colo facility (or should I say "our datacenter" :) ) has two lit OC - 48's from MCI (peering with Genuity) and Level (3). We buy huge chunks too. I know how mush bandwidth cost.


"WeinBar didn't stop there as we custom designed our world-class data centers- we have established the first data centers to access bandwidth directly from the source. "

Are these your data centers? Or do you colo. By the sounds of it, you built them and manage them. I am just curious. I am always looking for a place to add more servers and I visit Scottsdale all the time. I would like to visit this data center. Is it at the address on your web site?

I didnt know you can just turn on an OC3 like a faucet..............

But you have 2 carriers.

Are both of them OC3 switchonable?

You can not. It would be like having a squirt gun and shooting the volume of water throught it from a fire hose. Same results. No one pushes even close to an OC - 48's capacity. The migration from a OC 3, which most colo's have, is not as easy as pushing a button.

Blimey!

All I can say is, Weinbar's server is nice and fast as I upload all of these mixes. The backend control panel is lovely, and the price is great.

<<EDIT>>

Tim

Timbo, you order services 3 hours ago, and now you are telling others to shut up? This thread went of topic and it is yours, so just request to have it closed.

Until then, I am using it to find out some things as I too am looking for service. <<EDIT>> ;)

Well, this is why I have stopped posting here. People like to tell me how I can and cannot run a business.

This is my last post here guys. If Jack feels like posting, I will not stop him.. But for me.....

I personally use Site5 and even though you have already made your choice I wanted to reply with my comments. I have been signed up for about a month and a half and even though that isn't that long, I haven't had to wait long for tech support issues whatsoever. Prior to signing up, I received responses from their Sales department within 12 hours or less. I've heard what you mentioned about no responses and the only thing I can think of is that they have made some changes lately to how they handle requests and that may have something to do with it. Regardless, I have been very satisfied with Site5.

I have also heard that WeinBar is a good hosting company. I have never used them in the past but a friend chose them from several others just like yourself and is very satisfied. Another favorite of these boards is F5Hosting.com. I'm not sure if they offer what you need but just in case things don't work out.

Good luck...

First, some of this thread may not make sense as some posts were blanked by the poster and I just got rid of the blank message. It looks as though UmBillyCord is talking to him/herself.

Now we come to the thread...

UmBillyCord, you said:

Got to love a host that likes to lose money to gain customers. :) . Good luck with your choice. Hope it works out.

I'm guessing you can't back up this statement. You don't know if they are losing money. Your statement is most likely incorrect. You replied to one of Michael's posts:

But you can not tell me that you make money off 20 GB's of transfer and 500 MB's of space if all your customers used it for $14.95. No where did I say your company doesn't make money. I stated, I believe that plan you offered is under cost.

Far as I can tell you did NOT state that you believed that plan they offered is under cost. I quoted your statement above which was, "Got to love a host that likes to lose money to gain customers." The difference in wording is important and I'm not being picky.

You stating , "...you can not tell me that you make money off 20 GB's of transfer and 500 MB's of space if all your customers used it for $14.95", shows that you either haven't looked at almost every other host's plans, or you actually think hosts' plans are based on actual usage instead of overselling.

If *all* of the customers used 20 gigs and 500MB's, then he wouldn't make money. Do you think all of his customers use that much? Here's a hint: Nope. Does he make money off the customers? My guess: Yep.

Same goes for just about any other host.

Oh, the insults. And you own this company?

Michael replies: "I do not own the company. I am a majority stockholder."

Last I heard, a share holder is an owner. Especially a "majority" one.

He's the majority stockholder. You can consider him one of the owners if you like, but not *the* owner as you posted above ("And you own this company?"). You seem to want to argue every point.

Many of your comments are purely unfounded without any basis what-so-ever. I wouldn't consider Michael's suggestions to be insults, rather some sound advice so you won't make definitive statements like, "Got to love a host that likes to lose money to gain customers", in the future.

Finally, though we'd all like to tell people to shut up from time to time, it is inappropriate for this forum and I'll ask that you and timbo suggest that to eachother via email.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I guess because you are a moderator of these public forums, it is OK to have the final say and that that word is god.

He's the majority stockholder. You can consider him one of the owners if you like, but not *the* owner as you posted above ("And you own this company?"). You seem to want to argue every point.

rrrriggghhtttt.....

Well I guess I went over board to the point where a moderator has to clear things up. I apologize. I am reprimanding myself as we speak.

Did I lock the thread? I'm not here to have the final say. That isn't the point. Please reread my post.

I can understand your amazement at the price. It would seem natural to *ask*...

"Are you losing money on these accounts?"
"What is the average usage of these accounts?"
"How many other shareholders are there?"
etc.

Maybe you *know* they are losing money, (or like to lose money as you put it), and that all of he people who sign up for this plan actually use all 20 GB's of transfer. I personally do not have this information, but if I had to take a shot in the dark, I'd guess that not everyone uses the 20 GB's, they don't lose money on these accounts, and that they do not like losing money.

Rackshack offers Cobalt RaQ4i's with 256 MB of ram with 175 GB transfer for $99/mo. Just about every host on this board offers a decent amount of transfer for a rather attractive price. Do they all like losing money, or is it just Weinbar? I can't help but think there must be something more to it?

I'm trying to be reasonable in my thinking based upon what I've personally experienced. I'm not trying to attack you, rather ask reasonable questions and point out some things you either haven't thought about, or are ignoring.

Apologies to timbo for the tangent.

I can't help but think there must be something more to it?

Nope. Just stated my opinion bluntly. "Got to love a host that likes to lose money to gain customers."

Rackshack offers Cobalt RaQ4i's with 256 MB of ram with 175 GB transfer for $99/mo.

I posted a similar remark on a few RS pricing threads. Of course someone found it offensive. Common sense dictates my opinions. I remember the same thinking during the .com age. People swore a company wouldn't operate without the ideals of making money. But it happened. 100's of times. In a saturated market, the pressure to differentiate and add business causes people to abandon the under lying fundamentals of business. To make money. Look at what some host offer here as proof.

To show I am not blinded, I will admit the statement can easily be made to look like I was referring to the business as a whole. As I told Mr. Weinbar himself in a PM, it wasn't intended. The remark was made directly to the discussion of that plan he is offering. Weinbars $14.95/20 GBs BW plan is an example of a plan that when used as offered will lose them money. If a customer uses all that included in the service, Weinbar is paying that customer to host. Not the other way around. Sure they will make it up with other customers not using theirs, but the fact remains they lost money on that one customer. Plus, unless I am wrong, this plan would be hosted on Alabanza servers. So this OC 192 stuff and BW deal that others would "drool" over is moot.

He's the majority stockholder. You can consider him one of the owners if you like, but not *the* owner as you posted above ("And you own this company?").

If I would have known a moderator would like to chime in and split hairs over someone using a *the* instead of an *a*, I would have crossed my T's. I just kind of put two and two together. "Weinstein" + "Weinbar" = Weinstein owner of Weinbar. Sometimes I guess it adds up to 4.00001

Now I see why Tim G writes so much. If you do not block every avenue of attack, you will get hit.

I would like to butt in here on a few points.

1. WeinBar is partly owned by Michael Weinstein (The Wein in WeinBar)

2. Of course if everyone used the bandwidth given to them we would lose money. The point is we all oversell. If we didn't, we would all go out of business.

3. These plans are not on Alabanza servers. Alabanza charges way too much for transfer traffic and there is no control over these servers. The plans that are offered are in the Phoenix, AZ NOC.

That's all. Just wanted to clarify things here!

3. These plans are not on Alabanza servers. Alabanza charges way too much for transfer traffic and there is no control over these servers. The plans that are offered are in the Phoenix, AZ NOC.

Understood. However when you show the Alabanza control panel, one would assume it will be hosted their.
http://www.weinbar.com/images/cpanellg.gif

1. WeinBar is partly owned by Michael Weinstein (The Wein in WeinBar)

So is there a Barstien for the 'Bar'? :)

Actually, the Bar in WeinBar is for Barry. I don't know his last name.

Ok, sorry for the 'a' & 'the' thing, just don't let it happen again! :D Chalk it up to stress from this ^%&^*& computer which is finally ok again.