£360/full 100mbps line?

And thats why I failed my maths exams - 3.60 euros for 1/mbps?

Is this belivable - what seems bad about this - this is what ishells.org is selling.

Any comments - I am gob smacked - is it possible?

Laters

Novice

Well, it's £3.60 per mbps, but apart from that sounds daft :p

they use fdcservers.net

FDC servers is in the US - they are in Amsterdam!

well all the dedicated server plans coincide with fdcservers pricing and feature set... their own website is hosted in fdcservers... and they clearly specify that its hosting outa chicago...

hmmm - but everyting seems very low - and surley even FDC serves cannot do it at £3.60/mbps

And the information they have given says they are in Europe/amsterdam - and when they gave me an ip to ping : 217.170.19.4

seems in Europ to me and the ping is 30 in europe - FDC has about 100+ if not that about 150ms ???

explain?

Maybe they are doing a major overselling?

Must be major overselling
EDIT: I found this:

Anyone care to explain to me what people mean in this:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165981


Novice

http://www.ishells.org/flash/dedi.php - all these service plans coincide with fdcservers offerings... and for those that know fdcservers, 100Mbps unmetered is not a 100Mbps unlimited pipe, nor is it even a 100Mbps burstable pipe (their network is congested, but great considering the price)... does not specifically mention amsterdam in that page btw... funny how ishells consistently states they own the datacenter/etc... a deceptive marketing practice at the very least...

http://www.ishells.org/flash/colo.php - they don't even do colo yet, so won't go there...

as for shell accounts, the IP u provided... reverse lookup comes to: iRACKS-Trial.iNETGROUP.org ... concerns me when a reverse lookup says "trial" in it... kinda like the AOL-Cogent "trial peering" (which was soon after cancelled for those that don't know)... on top of that, to offer shell services, they could simply have a single dedicated server running off that datacenter (which may offer a "free/discounted trial" to "evaluate their network"... a lot of larger datacenters do that... i got roughly 3 months of free service out of ardent communications as a trial for their GigE colo product line)... if i wanted, ic ould have pumped out the full GigE during that time and left with my equipment at the end... heh... with no legal obligation...

seems that colinks, that IPs upstream provider, charges 0.80 euro per GB of transfer... a little more than this thread's title implies... heh

I lie not to you - Adam at iShells has repeatedly told me that they sell lines, bandwidth etc in the Amsterdam at £3.60/mbps - why not contact them your self and find out?

Novice

Wow a post all about us. May I carrify that this is not iShells offering the package?

The offer is being made by iNetgroup, iShells' parent company; we are not "overselling like mad." If you would care to read the psots that have been made on in the offer forum I think this would take care of those thoughts.

Colinks is the name of our Dutch operations to clarify that message,

Regards,

Adam Harris
Director
iNetgroup Ltd.

Ill try to help clarify too.
iShells.org is a Shell company which has servers both in Chicago (FDCServers) and Amsterdam (Colinks).
The only relation between iShells.org and that offer on the other forum, is that both are owned by the same person.
Yes, you can find dedicated server options on the iShells website, but all are on Chicago (FDC).
The offer on the forum is in Amsterdam and has no relation to FDC, you can see where exactly they are located and who owns their AS.
The 217.170.19.4 IP is on the box in Amsterdam which is used by iShells.org to sell shells, its reverse dns was thought of because 'iRacks' is the name Adam thought to use for selling dedicated servers and colocation.

I hope this helps abit, and thanks for your interest in our services :)

Colinks use a zebra router. (i wacked in an ip and up came a web front end)

Yeah, when I asked them that's what they told me. At least they're honest? :eek:

I dont see a correlation between colinks and ishells - the ishells-trial bit seems to me they are just getting trial connectivity from colinks.

I don't think this is a reasonable price. EU Bulk bandwidth is not less than E40 per mbit.

When I checked their thread, I did not find any carriers they use. All providers are peers, Jointtransit, Openpeering, AMS-IX, NL-IX.

Peerings are very cheap, which is probably why their pricing is so low. AMS-IX is around E2/mbit. But its not the best thing to use peerings only bandwidth:look:

I could be wrong:confused:

wubwub ... would you care to join me at the datacentre tomorrow when myself, Director of iNetgroup and the owner of Colinks will be there; then maybe you can make decisions about who and what we are :)

TheSpidre, we peer with JointTransit and Openpeerings. Openpeerings is free but as you can see from the JointTransit website, they are not free... in fact very expensive. The public peers include Telia, Abovenet (MFNX) and Carrier1 which can hardly be pushed aside as low quality.

As mentioned also, we are in discusion with UUnet (Worldcomm) and hopefully will be peering directly with them as well as Jointtransit and Openpeerings in the near future,

I am getting quite tired of arguing about our offer, there has been a lot of interest and I can guarantee that you will not find an offer that can compare to it in Europe,

We shall continue to offer this package regardless of peoples complaints/inaccuracies and beleifs about my company, I dont see this kinda thing happening to other small companies on WHT. I dont think its the right of the any of you to blast out at anyone who is trying to enter the market nor flame companies such as FDC which happen on a daily basis. FDC have guts to continue offering IRC services through thick and thin, we have guts to offer such pricing,

I hope this answers your questions,

Regards,

Adam Harris

Adam,

Don't take the scrutiny the wrong way.

If you are what you say you are and can prove your worth, give good support and maintain high uptime, then that's great.

Remember - this is WHT. It's not innocent until proven guilty, it's crap unless proven worthy.

;)

Half these posters on here should have there account suspended, If i remember rightly from the rules that govern this forum, putting down other companys is disallowed. Maybe a moderator can take a look into this.

Adam, congratulations on your coop within europe, i do think it is about time that europe was able to price competively with the USA, which maybe is why there are so many negative and unnecessary comments in this forum, maybe they are starting to realise that there is a new generation of companies about to hit the block and that there profit margins are going to fall.

Simon Lorentsen.
For and on behalf of Box Smart.

Hrm.

putting down other companys is disallowed

No, but active and lively discussion is what makes this board what it is. I don't think anyone in this thread has made un-called-for comments.

there is a new generation of companies about to hit the block

Price isn't the be-all and end-all you know... ;)

Give them a try and come back and tell us how it is. :)

Price isn't the be-all and end-all you know...

No but it is a major determining factor in this industry...

No, but active and lively discussion is what makes this board what it is. I don't think anyone in this thread has made un-called-for comments.

I am sure you would feel much differently if this *lively and active* discussion was in regards to a new era for your company...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

They've got a lot of attention out of this thread than they would have otherwise...? Good luck to them if they can indeed offer what they're saying they can.

Please tell me if it is true. I want to get a server in Europe to do Shoutcast. It is amazing at 3.60 per meg.

Half these posters on here should have there account suspended.

We are discussing a host in a civil manner.. There are opinions and fact - neither of which should be censored.

negative and unnecessary comments in this forum

I agree there are alot of negatives on this forum - i put this down to the increase in crappy hosting companys.

Good luck to ishells/iracks - if there offer is as good as they say im sure they will be sucessful.

can any one explain these for me plz ?

Port: 100Mbit Unmetered , Guarantee: 4Mbit ?
Port: 2 x 100Mbit Unmetered , Guarantee: 8Mbit (Yipes) + 1Mbit (Cogent) ?
Port: 10Mbit Unmetered ?

Originally posted by iShells
I am getting quite tired of arguing about our offer, there has been a lot of interest and I can guarantee that you will not find an offer that can compare to it in Europe

My post here was to find out how you could offer bandwidth for such low price. Would you go with a company who is selling internap bandwidth for $10/meg without knowing that the owner of the company is a son of the CEO of internap? :D

Anyway, if you can do this without the cost of your company or the quality, you'll become a new RS in europe ;)

Good luck:)

It is possible, I have had quotes of EURO 900/mon for GIGe line and EURO 150/month for FE port in Netherlands for IP Transit....

150/month for FE? Where to get it?

But all I actually get from all of this is:
IT is basically free bandwidth and when I contacted a few peers (free ones) they mentioned and was happy to mention they can cut you of at any given time. Also may I add in my own experience anything that is free is not good - it will be thrown in your face -there is also no such thing as cheap quality - now you may say yes there is but thee is not. if you want quality servers, quality bandwidth, quality support its costs a company to provide this. I am sure anyone here would agree. Also selling bandwidth for something that costs you near to nothing if not nothing sureley there will be a law to this soon?

Wish you luck in your company and all ends well but I honestly in my own opinion see some where down the line maybe the near future - and the mods can kick me for this but - I see everything fails for you because what you are supplying is free, done by peers, not worth the hassel and I can see a lot of people being up set. Not a way to hit the professional market may I add.

Novice

since when has jointtransit been free ? you must know something that the rest of the community dosent know, maybe you could share with us your 'facts' for this ?

It's good to know that your clairvoyant as well, would you like to describe the future for my company or anyone elses on here for that matter ?

Originally posted by Novice2k
FDC servers is in the US - they are in Amsterdam!
07/20/03 09:32:33 Fast traceroute ishells.org
Trace ishells.org (38.115.134.5) ...
13 66.28.6.82 358ms 357ms 356ms TTL: 0 (g49.ba01.b000268-0.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com probable bogus rDNS: No DNS)
14 38.112.1.234 370ms 355ms 356ms TTL: 0 (FDCServers.demarc.cogentco.com probable bogus rDNS: No DNS)
15 38.115.134.5 347ms 356ms 353ms TTL: 49 (No rDNS)

I think you have lost the plot here, re-read this topic....

Originally posted by roly
07/20/03 09:32:33 Fast traceroute ishells.org
Trace ishells.org (38.115.134.5) ...
13 66.28.6.82 358ms 357ms 356ms TTL: 0 (g49.ba01.b000268-0.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com probable bogus rDNS: No DNS)
14 38.112.1.234 370ms 355ms 356ms TTL: 0 (FDCServers.demarc.cogentco.com probable bogus rDNS: No DNS)
15 38.115.134.5 347ms 356ms 353ms TTL: 49 (No rDNS)

buy yourself some glasses!*
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165981

*Who can read is clearly in advantage! :D

I think this has got out of hand and completely off topic. I would love to hear Novice2k's opinions on the Linux and BSD distributions which are incidently free and very good quality :) Perhaps in PM tho,

Regards,

Adam Harris