Here I am, looking at my Humanclick, where I can see this users logged in for about 12 hours now browser my site. The only problem is that his current page is: file:///C:/Program%20Files/BlackWidow/www.pronicsolutions.com/hosting/basic.htm

The worst thing is that his page title is "AZ HOSTING - we love hosting"

This moron apparently doesn't know that our human click javascript code is still on our "copied code." I really hope he leaves it there so that it makes it easier for us to find him when he goes online.

What do you guys think about this? Any similar experiences? :angry:

This happened to me aswell he has been on my site in his C: directory for over 14 hours a few days ago copying my design, i was in WHT when it happened, it seemed to be a person rom turkey, i am so disgusted with people copying my site :(

Originally posted by Hostexp
This happened to me aswell he has been on my site in his C: directory for over 14 hours a few days ago copying my design, i was in WHT when it happened, it seemed to be a person rom turkey, i am so disgusted with people copying my site :(

Agreed. This is very aggravating. We already had a similar situation a few weeks ago.

This particular guy is from Canada. I already have his ISP, his IP address and hopefully the name of his future site. I really hope he leaves the Humanclick code on the page :)

dem kinda guys make me so:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:


:eek:

The problem is,,, there is no way to keep people from copying sites. They just come in, steel the code, and change he text.
We had one that left our name in teh meta tags when we found him. On line, changed the copywrite, and left our site address and info in teh meta tags...

of course if they were smart, they wouldn't take your code to begin with. Just simple thieves... nothing more,, nothing less.

Tim L :cool:

Some people are just dumb... I have nothing more t say :eek:

Why should it take 12 hours to copy a site? I think it shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to make a copy of a hosting biz site...

:D

We are facing this problem as well. Some of them even using WebZip type software to crawl our web site contents.

Maybe just our site are too nice.

:D :D :D

Originally posted by astra4
Why should it take 12 hours to copy a site? I think it shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to make a copy of a hosting biz site...

What happens is that he left the humanclick code in the copied pages, so everytime he sees his copied page(s) on his browser from his local machine, we get to see him on humanclick as if he really was on our site.

this happens to my site daily. But I have some code in that prevents people from normally copying a site through file -- save as. Try it for yourself! The top bar will not display (on local pc) neither will the bottom, and the site will be totally displaced in all HTML editors, This barely helps with all the programs out, but it helps out a bit to prevent these unprofessional theves from theiving my content!

:puke: CODE STEALERS

Originally posted by bert


What happens is that he left the humanclick code in the copied pages, so everytime he sees his copied page(s) on his browser from his local machine, we get to see him on humanclick as if he really was on our site.
OH... :D Does this give you the URL of that person's site? So you could produce evidence for the theft and nail her down on it :)

Originally posted by astra4

OH... :D Does this give you the URL of that person's site? So you could produce evidence for the theft and nail her down on it :)

The it will give us the URL of the person's site as long as they leave the code there. It is now showing that their URL is file///C:\.... but it will show a real URL once they publish their site to a real domain.

I hope the are dumb enough to leave the code there :D

"AZ HOSTING - someone is eyeing on you" :D

I simply hate thieves, but think of the positive side, your design is attractive enough.

I really think that copying an entire website is down and out theft.
However...

The internet is what it is, i believe that if you upload something then your making it availble to people, and as knowone owns the internet, well...

No... Its down and out theft!

But i do think that websites code should be availble to view because there's always things to learn from design styles and javascipts, etc. Many people learn from examing code. I believe that the internet surely wouldn't be what it is today if that wasn't possible.

However there are ways to protect your code if it really bothers you that much.

1) Install a no right click in javascript
2) Encrypt the website code

This way nothing can be stolen unless they are good enough to get past the encryption and if they are that good they would be able to design their own website and wouldn't need to steal anybody elses.

Hope this helps, but please remember how the internet is. Dont take it personal, all websites have things stolen now and again. Its human nature to do this when its so availble.

Good luck

DO NOT ever install those no right click codes. Why? Because people like me go in and want to see 2 separate parts of the site, but detest the back button so we right click and open one link in a new window. If someone uses the no right click thing then I just leave. How exactly do you encrypt the website? If the browser can read it, I'd imagine most editors would be able to as well.

So far on the local PC the TechnoHost page loads up as it did on the site. I'm going to keep playing with it though....

Trust me he wont stay in business long enough to use your design.

I agree with you Desperate up to some point. I have seen the source code of pages many times myself. Why? because I want to get ideas of coding, javascript, etc. This is one thing "looking at the code", clicking on "File" and then "Save as" is a totally different thing. These guys copied the site in its entirety, they are pretty much using it as a template from which they will make some changes and then publish it again.

To me this is theft ! :angry:

I don't care to be honest with you if someone takes a couple of ideas, maybe some javascript code, but copying the entire site ???? Come on !

I also agree with Justin, I would never disable the right-click because I know how aggravating it is not to have it. I use the right click all the time for navigation. :)

Originally posted by kickster
Trust me he wont stay in business long enough to use your design.

Why do you say that?

Originally posted by JustinK
DO NOT ever install those no right click codes. Why? Because people like me go in and want to see 2 separate parts of the site, but detest the back button so we right click and open one link in a new window. If someone uses the no right click thing then I just leave. How exactly do you encrypt the website? If the browser can read it, I'd imagine most editors would be able to as well.

You make a good point, but still you can set up a no right click on only the graphics of the website, so they cant be stolen.
Then by encypting the website, it can't be stolen.

You can encypt an entire website very easily, sure the browser can read it but you couldn't copy it and then upload it, then the browser wouldn't be able to read it.

No html editor could read it either, in fact it can crash some html editors if you tried.

If you really interested in encrypting your website i can find some websites which provide the service. I believe i found a free program for doing it once ( only because i wanted to use it to show clients samples, in other words when i do website redesigns, i would encrypt and upload it so that the client can see, if they like it i would upload the unecrypted version after i recieved payment- this way the client cannot steal the website without paying and also gets a chance to view the completed project- if they are not happy they dont pay ).

I have the url for the encypting tool around somewhere, you can see a live example, i can email it to you if you like?

I dont want to really post it here, as i strongly believe that websites code should be viewed, otherwise the whole system of the internet might change for the worse. I Dont want to set a trend.

I will find the url for you, give me a couple of days

Good luck

Originally posted by JustinK
DO NOT ever install those no right click codes. Why? Because people like me go in and want to see 2 separate parts of the site, but detest the back button so we right click and open one link in a new window. If someone uses the no right click thing then I just leave. How exactly do you encrypt the website? If the browser can read it, I'd imagine most editors would be able to as well.

So far on the local PC the TechnoHost page loads up as it did on the site. I'm going to keep playing with it though....
I agree with you. However, you can Shift-click on a link and it will open in a new window regardless of whether or not a site has the no-right-click JavaScript.

Originally posted by IntelligentHosting.com

I agree with you. However, you can Shift-click on a link and it will open in a new window regardless of whether or not a site has the no-right-click JavaScript.

I dont think most people would know that sneeky trick, i didn't.

Anyhow its only to help, nothing is full proof, but like i said before its kind of human nature to steal and the internet makes it so easy, i guess its hard for some to resist.

And then they just view the source and go directly to the image then right click and save it... or take a screen shot, or one of those other things they can do that doesn't come to the top of my head at the moment. If you put it up, people can take it. If someone does take it, just make sure you have the original and if you run into them, make'em take it off. The right click code just makes them go about it another way, it in no way stops them.

Anyone want the url to encrypt their websites, your welcome to email me, but please dont post it on here so that everyone starts doing it.

Like i said, i dont want to set a trend

Originally posted by JustinK
And then they just view the source and go directly to the image then right click and save it... or take a screen shot, or one of those other things they can do that doesn't come to the top of my head at the moment. If you put it up, people can take it. If someone does take it, just make sure you have the original and if you run into them, make'em take it off. The right click code just makes them go about it another way, it in no way stops them.

They cannot view the code if its encypted ( not without the key ).

I don't like holding down keys while clicking though. ;) I don't bother spending time memorizing the shortcut keys because every program has a different use for them and then I start mixing them up.

Originally posted by Desperate
You make a good point, but still you can set up a no right click on only the graphics of the website, so they cant be stolen.
Then by encypting the website, it can't be stolen.

You can encypt an entire website very easily, sure the browser can read it but you couldn't copy it and then upload it, then the browser wouldn't be able to read it.
...
This is true. When looking at these HTML encryptors however...
1) If the visitor has JavaScript disabled they won't be able to view the page;
2) It not only encrypts the code from prying eyes, it encrypts it from the search engine spiders too (although gateway pages would eliminate this problem, but that's getting pretty complex)

Also, the no-right-click won't prevent graphics from being stolen, it just makes them a little more inconvenient to steal.

Originally posted by IntelligentHosting.com

This is true. When looking at these HTML encryptors however...
1) If the visitor has JavaScript disabled they won't be able to view the page;
2) It not only encrypts the code from prying eyes, it encrypts it from the search engine spiders too (although gateway pages would eliminate this problem, but that's getting pretty complex)

I never thought of that, you make a very good point.
If the search engine spiders can't see the code then your get bad listings in search engines.

A very good point!

Oh well, i guess its ok to show to clients before recieving payment for a web design ( like i intended ).

But certainly not worth using to stop thiefs, if it means your going to loose out of search engine postitioning.

Glad i never posted the link now,

Good luck people, dont worry about the thiefs, its not worth it.

Disabling right click without encryption is useless.

If you use IE, hit alt + v + c and that's it.

You make a good point, but still you can set up a no right click on only the graphics of the website, so they cant be stolen.

And the problem with this is when an image fails to load properly and the visitor wishes to reload the image by using the right click/reload image option.

Melanie

Bottom line is: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to prevent anyone from stealing your design.

The only thing that can be done is simply keep an eye open for thieves. ;)

Black Widow can be used to collect sites for offline viewing. It is possible that the person was downloading the site for offline viewing. But, who knows for sure...

Originally posted by JustinK
I don't like holding down keys while clicking though. ;)

Sounds like you need the mouse-only trick:

Left click and hold
Right click while still holding down left
Release right
Move the mouse off the link and release left

That normally gets you through the no right click JavaScript. And with some practice, it's just an easy roll of the fingers! :D

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Originally posted by JustinK
DO NOT ever install those no right click codes. Why? Because people like me go in and want to see 2 separate parts of the site, but detest the back button so we right click and open one link in a new window. If someone uses the no right click thing then I just leave. How exactly do you encrypt the website? If the browser can read it, I'd imagine most editors would be able to as well.

So far on the local PC the TechnoHost page loads up as it did on the site. I'm going to keep playing with it though....

I do the same thing. I just leave if they do that usally

Originally posted by bert
> Originally posted by kickster:
> Trust me he wont stay in business long enough to use your design

Why do you say that?

I'm not kickster, but if a person is so silly that he starts a webhost business and can't even make his own slogans and so on he probably will act silly also on other things and will go bancrupt.
:D

Hi,

Disabling right click sucks, it takes away from the browser functionality and will only prevent the most naive of users from copying your code if they really want to.

That said, here are some html encryption (true encryption, not compression) products:

1. YAHCA (Yet Another HTML Compression Agent?) - I used this product (freeware) until 3 months ago. It worked great, used a win client to encrypt the html code and then it used a javascript to decrypt it at the browser. SADLY, my comp crashed and when I went looking for the software the author's site was down and extensive searching has yielded many references to it, but no file to download. Amazing. I thought for sure I'd find it somewhere. Nope. All software directories where it is still listed only have links to the author's site which dissapeared. What a pity. RIP YAHCA in that big absolete freeware catalog in the sky :bawling:
If anyone finds it pls send me a copy, it's freeware.

2. http://www.psyral.com (Commercialware $25 - $50, don't bother with the demos, totally crippled) Does the same thing as YAHCA only better. There are 3 or 4 different versions, uses the same operational logic as YAHCA, but the encryption win clients are more advanced with some extras. One of the versions allows to encrypt only part of the html page, so you could leave the header and meta tags unencrypted (so that the search engines see at least something) and encrypt the rest.

I WANT MY YAHCA!!!:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Originally posted by brav0
...
2. http://www.psyral.com (Commercialware $25 - $50, don't bother with the demos, totally crippled) Does the same thing as YAHCA only better. There are 3 or 4 different versions, uses the same operational logic as YAHCA, but the encryption win clients are more advanced with some extras. One of the versions allows to encrypt only part of the html page, so you could leave the header and meta tags unencrypted (so that the search engines see at least something) and encrypt the rest.
Portion of the HTML from the Psyral test page (http://www.psyral.com/products/psyral_testpage.html). Took me about 10 seconds.

<!-- main panel --><font face="Verdana" size="2"></p>
<div align="justify">
<table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0" width="100%" border="0">
<tr>
<td vAlign="top" bgColor="black">
<table cellPadding="5" width="100%" bgColor="black" border="0">
<tr>
<td bgColor="white"><font face="Verdana" size="2">
<div align="justify">
<!-- enter text -->This page was encrypted with <b>Psyral Phobia
Pro v4.0.139</b> (the unregistered version)
<p><br>
Note: The registered version will have the page header removed.
This is just for testing purposes. The page loading is dependent
on the client-side CPU, Memory, and browser. The faster the
computer, the faster the decoding. For any questions regarding
this page, please go to the
<a href="http://www.psyral.com/techsup.html">tech support page</a>.
</p>
<p><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<!-- / enter text -->
</div>
</font></td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>

Originally posted by IntelligentHosting.com

Portion of the HTML from the Psyral test page (http://www.psyral.com/products/psyral_testpage.html). Took me about 10 seconds.

<!-- main panel --><font face="Verdana" size="2"></p>
<div align="justify">
<table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0" width="100%" border="0">....


LOL, I just noticed too. If you do a view source it shows the code encrypted, but if you do a select all and then a View partial code using Microsoft's Power Tools(?), voila the code appears, LOL

Just wondering... since Human Click allows you to initiate a chat session, it would be funny to sent him a chat request and if he accepted, tell him he's busted. :D

Originally posted by Chicken
Just wondering... since Human Click allows you to initiate a chat session, it would be funny to sent him a chat request and if he accepted, tell him he's busted. :D
That would surely freak him/her out (and be good for a laugh), but personally I'd rather monitor what's going on and hopefully find out where and when they put the page online. Then they can get a "busted" letter from our lawyer.

On the other hand...

If they do leave the code in and put the page "live," you can do the chat requests when their potential customers are visiting the site and *really* have some fun. :D

Hum, this might help, but sometimes your server side scripts dont work with this html encryption software. it cost US$15.00 tho...

http://www.softlandindia.com/HtmlEncryption.htm

:D (ps: there was a good one on http://www.cyberarmy.com/ but i have no clue what they did with it...)

ahh.. why not add in an 1x1px img tag to call on a perl or a php script that tracks your pages? If it detects that your page is not running on your domain, basically it emails you or something? Or something more worst, make it output a javascript to open a bunch of porn sites which opens more windows and crashes that loser running win98 or winme?
hehe

I am delighted listening or actually (reading) you guys' opinions :D

Originally posted by Desperate


I dont think most people would know that sneeky trick, i didn't.

Anyhow its only to help, nothing is full proof, but like i said before its kind of human nature to steal and the internet makes it so easy, i guess its hard for some to resist.

I didnt know that either... i would just disable java but hey..this is faster :)

Originally posted by acetate
ahh.. why not add in an 1x1px img tag to call on a perl or a php script that tracks your pages? If it detects that your page is not running on your domain, basically it emails you or something? Or something more worst, make it output a javascript to open a bunch of porn sites which opens more windows and crashes that loser running win98 or winme?
hehe


That sounds like fun, how can it be done exactly?

Got some source code for us?:karate: