I just registered a QC.com domain for C$99 (2 years). I am hesitant to believe that it's one of the low prices around. Does anybody know where the cheaper QC.com registrars are, or perhaps what the cost price is? Thanks!

lol, what you registered (from what I see) is a subdomain.

ONLYthe owner of the domain (in your case qc.com) can issue these. Unless they have resellers. I doubt there is that hot of a market for these subdomains but there could be a small one.

I know some that own 2 letter .coms that conform to a country.location that are planning on the same service.

drop it, it worths $0

Yup, you dont *really* own anything.

They are setting up a subdomain for you.

Unless you brand it, its worthless. IMO.

And if oyu spend time branding it, unless you buy (QC.com, good luck) you never own your own site.

Hope this helps

You could have registered yourdomain.qc.ca for as little as $17.50 CAD a year and it would be a real domain.

I don't know what you guys are referring to, but apparently QC.COM is a new TDL, and I can even use my own name servers for it. Would this be possible if it had simply been a subdomain of the owner? Plus, WHOIS shows I am the owner. I registered this particular domain because it is my three letter last name, which is long gone for .com/.org, etc and costs $1500 for .ws. It's also gone for qc.ca, so it's really the last best thing I have since I live in QC.

"Everyone who wants an appropriate Quebecois domain name can register a Quebecois web address. qc.com has been developed in response to demands from small businesses and consumers looking for addresses that are flexible, with no restrictions. A web and email address ending in .qc.com enables any user - be it a small business or an individual - to have a global identity on the internet .qc.com is recognisably Quebecois, but free from restrictions that are imposed on other domain name endings."

Also,

"We register all domain names in the customers name, with them being listed as registrant and administrative contact.

If we terminate the free web hosting supplied with the domain name for a breach of these terms and conditions, the domain name shall still be registered to the registrant and they will be entitled to change its name servers to those of any other web hosting company."

Could we continue the discussion on whether QC.com is a valid new TLD, or just a scam subdomain as has been suggested? At least I would have an idea what to do when it comes to renewal.

Really?

I am in QC as well and this is the first time I hear of that. Good luck!

I'm in rimouski (you probably know where it is if you're in Quebec) (it's in Lower-St-Lawrence) and I ever heard of .qc.com and .qc.net.

These are not domains. They are subdomains.

It's exactly like the new ".frn.ca"; an extension dedicated to the french canadian sites.

You cannot set your own dns to work. Maybe did you gave them your dns but what they probably did is they imported the settings to their servers so it resolves. I'm sorry.

Each territory/province can only have one official extension and our is .qc.ca (for now :D... who knows, maybe .qc some day!).

I sent you a PM...

Gabriel

Hello

It is not a TLD it is an SLD
It is also not new.
We have been selling them for 2 years.

They originate from a company called Centralnic
http://www.centralnic.com/
They also operate uk.com.
Centralnic has been doing this for a long time and is an extremely stable registry.

They also have whois at whois.centralnic.net (port 43)

If you go to their site they charge 65 GBP plus VAT
which is approx $CAD 170.

This isa commercial registry but not a fly by night operation.
The person who founded and still runs the business is Steve Dyer, who is well respected in the industry and also on the board of Nominet UK.
http://www.centralnic.com/page.php?cid=43
He started Centralnic to run uk.com at a time when .co.uk was not easily available.

So, yes it is not an official domain extension but it works just like one in every respect (and is secured in longevity by fairly massive insurance policies).

Gordon

Interesting. www.new.net Same idea. Worthless.

Paying for subdomains... clever idea, but seemsmore like a scam. try www.dot.tk and use a free TLD. Instead of that subdomain they are charging money for.

Many respondants seem very eager to discard this subdomain as being worthless, even though it's possibly the last relevant domain (sub or not) which contains my three letter lastname, as well as location. But could somebody substantiate why, despite these justifications, a subdomain of this kind would be "worthless" and "worth $0"? I am not trying to be defensive, but just really want to know what to do come renewal.

The problem is that anybody can create subdomains at anytime in 1 minute... this is why it is worth 0$...

Could you then create for me ABC.QC.COM in this instant, for example? It appears that the "anybody" that you refer to must be only the owner (and affiliates) of QC.COM... unless I am missing something?

anyone can create one with the domains they own. Why it has to be QC I dont understand. there are free ones. www.afraid.org has some interesting free ones. (i think that is the site).

Interesting. www.new.net Same idea. Worthless.

No
No
No

new.net requires a differetn method of resolution as their domains are not in the main internet DNS system
They also cant be used for email.

uk.com gb.com qc.com etc resolve on the internet just like .co.uk
FOr all practical purposes they are the same.
The only difference is they are not owned by a government.

Gordon

I am truly still awaiting a justification for QC.COM being worthless. In my opinion, it would be utterly "worthless" if and only if the owner/affiliate of QC.COM agrees to create a subdomain for me for $0. Even then it wouldn't be worthless, just cost-free. Any different opinions, please post and justify them so we can all learn about this.

It is not worthless, you're right.

But you are more free of act with a .com, .net, .org, .ca or .qc.ca, as you can change the DNS zone at any time.

I don't recommand you .qc.ca. What a mess to register! You have tons of documents to send back, it is long, and costly. Buy a .com, .biz or .tv but not *.ca, .ca or .qc.ca.

I guess it could work ok for you and could be used as a functional website though like others have said it isn't a real domain, you're just renting space on someone else's domain. Its going to look pretty amateurish if its something you plan on promoting.

Centralnic is only a "registrar" in the sense that they woke up and decided to call themselves that one day, its not anything that is official or approved by any body.

Centralnic is only a "registrar" in the sense that they woke up and decided to call themselves that one day, its not anything that is official or approved by any body.

Who approved Verisign-grs then ?

Gordon

Originally posted by GordonH
Who approved Verisign-grs then ?

Gordon

the us government and icann

So who approved ICANN?

You see my point?

There is no apostolic succession in domain registration.

In fact if you know the Centralnic story you could claim that John Postel "laid hands" on Steve Dyer by originally suggesting subdomains of uk.com as a way round the (at that time) embargo on .uk domains.

There is no higher authority.
All that counts is ownership security, DNS stability and financial stability.

Centralnic have shown all three over quite a long period of time and knowing their operation as I do it as at least as well run as .uk and many of the smaller "official " registries like Adamsnames (.ms .vg) or ICB (.ac .sh) or nu domain (.nu) (these also being run by commercial companies).

Gordon

> There is no apostolic succession in domain registration.

Blasphemy! :D

Sorry.

I am in philosophical mood.

Gordon :homer:

If its worth it to you then keep it. If you plan on selling it down the road let it go. Simple as that.

Originally posted by WannaBaHost
If its worth it to you then keep it. If you plan on selling it down the road let it go. Simple as that.

Thanks, that's just what I felt as well. It's my own last name which I plan to hold on to for a long time, definitely not for resale. I am just a little put off by respondants who are so quick to judge and who then remain quiet when the time comes to make a justification for their comments. Confidence and respect are both quickly lost as such. Thanks again for the discussion.

Edited to add: QC is important to me since I live here, and I love it here. Plus, abc.com/.org/.net/.qc.ca/.ca are all long gone and abc.ws costs $1500 which I definitely find too prohibitive.

Gordon: things are the way they are. ICANN is considered to be the governing body. You can argue and go to www.youcann.org and other such sites, but it does not change much. uk.com, qc.com and whatever else do not have nearly the clout that ICANN has. ICANN is the accepted standard, face it.

Also, the market for such domains is virtually none I am guessing. None of those have been branded, at least I havnt ever heard of them. I dont think most people have either. Meaning nobody is probably going to be looking for them when they want to start a company or buy a domain. That makes the domain worthless to others. Personal value and market value are quite different.

I am willing to bet you can secure THREELETTERLASTNAME.TM

Sex.tm is avail. You know the value of that extension. And thats a REAL extension. (too bad its $1000+ to reg).

You rent a subdomain. Thats that.

If its worth something to you. ok

I think its owrthless to ask for an appraisal on this name.

your name may be availible in .cn or .cc or other wierd thigns like .la or .bz

Originally posted by GordonH
So who approved ICANN?

You see my point?



the us govternment gave icann their power and can still veto any icann decision.

Originally posted by DevilDude
I think its owrthless to ask for an appraisal on this name.

Note please that an appraisal of my QC.COM subdomain was never once solicited within these posts.

I think the topic has drifted from the original question.

The reason there are no other registrars is, as has been stated it is not a TLD.

.com is the TLD
QC is a second level domain owned by Centralnic who then sell subdomains
.yourchoice is a subdomain under QC

Why many advise against it is that you have not real control as should the holder of QC decide tomorrow to sell it, or just let it drop, all the subdomains underneath it would likewise disappear.

The same is not true of .gc.ca as in this case the .qc (while being a second level domain) is managed by CIRA in the same manner as a top level domain and so has the same permanance as the .ca.

Hope this helps clarify some of the discussion.

Bon Chance

Whilst what you are saying is true, the domain qc.com is held in Escrow and bound by considerable insurance policies to prevent a situation like this arising.

If you lay aside qc.com and look at uk.com which has the same technical and legal framework.
uk.com is widely used in the UK because it predates the wide availability of .co.uk and is recognised as a trustworthy system.

You cant compare Centralnic to thinks like ie.nu or even au.com (who only seem to have two name servers running on the same box)

Centralnic has a considerable DNS infrastructure and their registry systems have often been copied by other registries (notably the official .uk one !)

Gordon

Originally posted by GordonH
Whilst what you are saying is true, the domain qc.com is held in Escrow and bound by considerable insurance policies to prevent a situation like this arising.

If you lay aside qc.com and look at uk.com which has the same technical and legal framework.
uk.com is widely used in the UK because it predates the wide availability of .co.uk and is recognised as a trustworthy system.

You cant compare Centralnic to thinks like ie.nu or even au.com (who only seem to have two name servers running on the same box)

Centralnic has a considerable DNS infrastructure and their registry systems have often been copied by other registries (notably the official .uk one !)

Gordon

Jeez Gordon, you've been at WHT long enough to realize that everyone here knows everything. Researching a topic before commenting is a definate must :).

On a side note, I had never heard about it, so I appreciate the note about the reseller program or I may have never went to the site.

you've been at WHT long enough to realize that everyone here knows everything

True.

I just think its unfortunate that people are getting this type of thing mixed up with alternate root's like new.net or .god
Its a viable way of running a domain system and the extensions do make sense as they arre usually ISO countruy codes.

Gordon

I do truly appreciate Gordon's information - thank you.

The only gripe I have against centralnic extensions is the price, they must be making a fortune. According to the site they have 90,000 domains registratered at £65 quid each! Thats some revenue!

But most are sold through resellers who pay a lot less than this.

Originally posted by drmaximus
I don't know what you guys are referring to, but apparently QC.COM is a new TDL

QC.COM is not a TLD (Top Level Domain). QC.COM is an SLD (Second Level Domain).

and I can even use my own name servers for it. Would this be possible if it had simply been a subdomain of the owner?

Yes.

Plus, WHOIS shows I am the owner.

... only in their WHOIS server. Anyone can run their own WHOIS server.

I registered this particular domain because it is my three letter last name, which is long gone for .com/.org, etc and costs $1500 for .ws. It's also gone for qc.ca, so it's really the last best thing I have since I live in QC.

If you have a use for it, then don't worry about what other people are saying. I don't understand why some people are appraising your name when you never asked for an appraisal in the first place. Just keep in mind that QC.COM is not a TLD and that you paid for a sub-domain, but that does not mean it's a scam. I don't understand why some people think selling sub-domains is a scam. I cannot find anything misleading about CentralNic's site. You got exactly what you paid for, and I think it's a nice alternative to ccTLDs (country code Top Level Domains) if your name is taken in all of the gTLDs (generic Top Level Domains).

My problem with paying for such a domain is that you are totally at the mercy of the company that owns it. With a "real" (as in registry approved) domain name at least there are some regulations backing your domain.

As a previous poster said, if the domain is dropped, all sub domains are dropped with it.

Personally I would never pay for such a domain. If it's free - then great.

The other peoplem is that some people may think that it is an error. the au.com extention I view in this manner, since .com.au is the Australian recognised extention, if I say au.com I would think it was an error (and indeed I did the first time).

Will.

Hey wake up folks!

ok, you grabbed a .com from some registrar and paid the annual fee, then you believe that you are owning that name? Not Really!

In fact you are just renting it, you are buying a SLD created under ".com".

The situation is just same as what you got from CentralNIC, the only different is which "level" you are on.

ThirdLevelDomain.qc.com
SecondLevelDomain.com

With a "real" (as in registry approved) domain name at least there are some regulations backing your domain.

Actually I have discovered that this is not always the case.

.nu is in potential difficulty with the quthorities on Niue.
The income from .nu has been used to promote internet connectivity on the island through a non profit body but the government have objected to a sattelite link because it may reduce their income from the leased lines the stte owned phone company provides to New Zealand.
(at least thats my reading of it)

At this stage the .nu registry is not involved but as the main driving force bhind it is the CEO of the registry (a man obsessed in the best possible way with the whole project) it seems inevitable that the .nu TLD will end up being drawn into the argument.

Read more here:
http://www.niue.nu/

I have a particular interest in it because I think the whole project and use of the TLD has been of great benefit to the population, and I have been using one since 1998 for all my personal email and other things.

Gordon

Originally posted by cokee
Hey wake up folks!

ok, you grabbed a .com from some registrar and paid the annual fee, then you believe that you are owning that name? Not Really!

In fact you are just renting it, you are buying a SLD created under ".com".

The difference is that we do have control over SLD.com that we bought, we decide when to let it expires or not.

qc.com, although 0.0001% of dropping, that's still the case.

drmaximus, I think the main difference is that since yours is already a sub-domain of something, you can't have another sub under it. Like iwantthis.abc.qc.com. In conclusion, if you own a domain, I have choice to expand to unlimited sub-domain, but if you're a sub-domain, that's it.

I think the main difference is that since yours is already a sub-domain of something, you can't have another sub under it

This is not true.

If it were true then you couldnt have subdomains of .co.uk domains either.

Gordon

but .co.uk is a ltd, isn't it?

No its a second level domain.
.uk is the tld

Just like .au is a TLD and .com.au is an SLD

Please see this page:
http://www.nominet.org.uk/SecondLevelDomains/AboutSecondLevelDomains/

If it was impossible to have subdomains of domains in the third level then http://www.bbc.co.uk would not work and obviously it does.

Gordon