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View Full Version : My first post, looking for a cheap host for a personal site. Nothing big...
dcdomain 07-20-2001, 09:48 PM First off I'm not doing anything commercial or anything anywhere important, heck, I'm looking for a host because NBCi (free unlimited host, just had to linked a different way to get rid of the banners) is going down so you all can see where I'm coming from.
And from looking around I see that unlimited anything is a taboo and a warning against the host. The thing is that it's just so tempting from some of these hosts. I did some searching here and on another site and basically ruled out a lot of the 'more worse' ones.
From the very cheap ones I've ruled out Hosturbo and MXHub although my friend does use MXHub (read a lot of negative things on this forum)...
So here are the following. I figured unlimited space and transfers would be a nice thing to have although I doubt I would use the transfer much with all the visitors I get.
Valvenetwork (http://www.valvenetwork.com) had some pretty good user ratings on the other site, but it's kind of fishy that the representative did not respond to the last question over on this thread: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=14505
Win2000Hoster (http://www.win2000hoster.com) Which had pretty good reviews on the other site, but I can't seem to dig anything up on this site on it.
Lastly, Allbizhost (http://www.allbizhost.com/) seems like the one I'll probably go for. Heck they even have a special deal going on for an extra six months free. They are only around $70 a year...
So what do you guys think? I just want a site that has good uptime and possibly the only thing I'll need is PHP support for future forums stuff that I'm thinking about. I won't be getting that many hits to get me worried about the transfers. So a lot of space, good uptime and PHP support. And the cheaper the better. Any ideas?
SoftWareRevue 07-20-2001, 09:56 PM I think if you were to post your specific requirements in the "Web Hosting Offers and Requests" section, you would get some good offers.
Or, is it; you just want information on the hosts you've mentioned?
dcdomain 07-20-2001, 10:04 PM Well obviously I'm pretty new at this. I considered hosting my site off my computer since I run a server anyway. But I don't have a fast connection at home so it would be a pain anyway while I was away from school.
As of now, I just to get set up quick so I can transfer my existing site over. If I were to transfer everything including my past sites, it would be about 100mb's. I'm not sure if I am even going to bother with that. I'm looking for something pretty cheap so would anyone even bother responding to my post? I'm thinking probably not right? I might also be using the server just as a dump for some items over at work. A few mp3's or videos maybe, I won't be sharing them, just as a way to move some small stuff around.
How's Allbiz? Their promotion lasts till tomorrow, and the search for that turned up two threads started by the same guy.
edit: I looked through the other forum mentioned above and it seems some people are requesting small servers so I'm currently looking through the threads to see what I need exactly...
SoftWareRevue 07-20-2001, 10:17 PM You will save yourself a lot of trouble by staying away from hosts that offer Uunlimited space."
It is a statement that cannot be fulfilled. Find a host that is honest about what he is supplying.
How much space/ bandwidth, etc. do you expect to need?
How about http://www.win2000hoster.com and http://www.aletiahosting.com ?
I have an account with aletiahosting and it works well. But, win2000hoster linux plan seem more attractive than aletia.
Any one has idea about win2000hoster ?
dcdomain 07-21-2001, 12:00 AM Since I took up 100mb's with four of my old sites and my current one, I think I'll easily fill up 100mb's worth of stuff for my current site and when I start doing stuff for a school organization in the future.
I guess at least 50mb from the get go, and I really don't need much transfer. I too was looking at Win2000Hoster, but there isn't much information about them on this forum.
TheMMIz 07-23-2001, 04:34 AM I use ValuableHost.com, and they have been great. I have nothing to do with them, besides being hosted by them :)
Check out there Valuable-3 plan for $36.00 or so a year. They are a relatively new host, but so far they have gone far and above my expectations (which are kinda high).
I also hear great things about VenturesOnline.com. They are a more established hosting company that many people here use, and like.
For my own personal site I use ValuableHost.com, for Business I use another host, just my personal preference really :) Hope I helped a bit in the confusing world of web hosting.
P.S. ValuableHost.com has amazing support, and doesnt mind answering even little questions (which I have a lot of)
iVersit 07-23-2001, 05:07 AM Wow, this valuable host guy is spamming every single thread....amazing.....
TheMMIz 07-23-2001, 05:44 AM Hey, first of all I have nothing to do with ValuableHost.com, I just use them as a web host, and am very satisfied. If you read my threads, you will see that I have used a variety of hosts, and if you do a search for my name, you will see that I previously have asked for reviews of hosts, so don't give me this "spam" crap. I have replied to two threads I believe about valuablehost, and all of them have contained information, and my personal experience. I could care less if you go with them or not, I dont make or lose a dime, Im just sharing my experience.
I take great offense to your remark that I am spamming these boards, I really do. I read though almost EVERY post on the first three pages, and responded to the ones I could offer help / an opinion on. Isn't that was this website is for? Go ahead and flame me for supporting my host, but let it be known that I have nothing invested in the company, only a shared hosting package.
iVersit 07-23-2001, 06:36 AM hehe, sounds like someone is touchy today. Sure you've responded to only a few posts, but they just all happened to be in the last half an hour. Get defensive if you would like. How detailed could a search be on your previous posts...you only have 4 as of this post....
But: if you truly are not spamming then fine, however, it looks very suspicious.
kunal 07-23-2001, 08:08 AM TheMMIz, how about posting your websites URL here?
Angel78 07-23-2001, 08:14 AM Originally posted by kunal
TheMMIz, how about posting your websites URL here?
ValuableHost.com (http://www.ValuableHost.com)
i guess :)
His 4 posts all about ValuableHost.com
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=66106
SoftWareRevue 07-23-2001, 08:23 AM Ya'll don't like it when somebody likes a host; huh?
But, then, I'd like to see his site too:rolleyes:
Atlantis 07-23-2001, 10:05 AM I recommend Worldzone Pro (http://www.wzpro.com/ ). It has a $48 yearly plan which provides 240 MB space and 4GB bandwidth.
Ihoppoet 07-23-2001, 10:26 AM Orpheus1539 Chill out, you guys are not fooling anyone, Hostexp has a great rep here, I have checked out his page and his ikonboard, and everything seems good. You and I both know that most hosts over charge. this 3 to 5 bucks a gig is bs, we all know you arn't paying more than a 1.50 if that, so your charging 1.50 to 3.50 for something you really have nothign to do with!
You over charging hosts are the ones that scare me.
my logic, its going to take hostexp a while to make his money back, pay off his loans what have you, so I doubt he is chomping at the bit to shut down. you overchargers peobably make you money back in 2 months or so, whats to keep you from giving up and running, with the money? Yes it might be a lot of work, but some people have a work ethic.
My father owned a resturant for year, he had the best food in town and the lowest price, he didn't make much money, but his customers stayed happy and he ran it for over 15 years. Now he works for the city and as a nice sit down job but he is old, 52, he needs it.
Just my thoughts
Thank you
Jason Miller:homer:
iVersit 07-23-2001, 10:33 AM who said anything about HostEXP?
Ihoppoet 07-23-2001, 10:38 AM you do everytime you knock valuablehost. In case you are unable to keep up, hostexp is valuablehost.
thank you
Jason Miller:homer:
SoftWareRevue 07-23-2001, 11:30 AM Originally posted by Ihoppoet
you do everytime you knock valuablehost. In case you are unable to keep up, hostexp is valuablehost.
thank you
Jason Miller:homer:
I don't think he's knocking Hostexp / ValuableHost; but rather wondering if TheMMIz is in fact ValuableHost.
Hostexp and ValuableHost can take care of themselves
:D No need to begin arguing with one another over the virtues of fellow board members.
But, like Orpheus1539, I too am interested in seeing TheMMIz's site:eek:
(SH)Saeed 07-23-2001, 12:13 PM I can understand why all of you are suspicious of TheMMIz since he has only 4 posts and the first 3 of them is about how great ValuableHost is. I too am a little suspicious. Although we've all seen many hosts do this kind of things in the past, it does not mean that TheMMIz is doing it. It would be nice to see some kind of proof though, that he's not with them.
TheMMIz 07-23-2001, 12:24 PM LOL, go ahead, check out http://www.TheMiz.net , nothing special yet.
This is crazy, I have NOTHING ValuableHost. My name Is Matt, last name sounds like Miz, so check out MattMiz.net, also try BerkleyHigh.com, I have owned that in the past and didn't use ValuableHost.com, I believe Im still in the whois database too. My god, give me a break. Ever buy something at a great price or get a really cool gadget and want to tell someone about it? Thats how I felt, but this is a bunch of bs to have to put up with your rude and untrue comments. How about you ask the owner, I believe his name on these boards is HostEXP, give him a private messsage some time, and Ill be waiting for an apology later :)
(SH)Saeed 07-23-2001, 12:24 PM Originally posted by Ihoppoet
You and I both know that most hosts over charge. this 3 to 5 bucks a gig is bs, we all know you arn't paying more than a 1.50 if that, so your charging 1.50 to 3.50 for something you really have nothign to do with!
First of all, not all hosts are paying as low as $1.50 per gigabyte or lower. The datacenters the hosts this kind of price do not offer any support. Even if we say a webhost buys the bandwidth for $1.50/GB, they still have to pay for having the servers, new hardware (for bad hardware and upgrades), new servers, rackspace, employees, etc, etc, etc and still have money left for themselves.
You're expecting to pay $2/month for a top notch datacenter with reliable redundant connectivity, a really fast server with good access time, someone to be there to answer your questions and make sure your server is working without problems, install new software, and more!?
Also keep in mind that most webhosting owners/admins hardly sleep at nights. This is not a 9-5 job, it's 24/7 job!
I have a very hard time making that work and still have the company make enough profit for the empoyees to live on.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Walter 07-23-2001, 12:33 PM Originally posted by Ihoppoet
You and I both know that most hosts over charge. this 3 to 5 bucks a gig is bs, we all know you arn't paying more than a 1.50 if that, so your charging 1.50 to 3.50 for something you really have nothign to do with!
You over charging hosts are the ones that scare me
A suggest you visit some pages of NOCs or larger hosts where normal hosts are leasing their servers. Soon you will see that all are paying in the range of 3 to 5 $ per GB.
6 $ a gig: http://www.vdi.net/dedicated_servers.html
3$ a gig: http://www.verio.com/products/dedicated/packages/linux.cfm
and so on.
Don't make yourself a fool.
SoftWareRevue 07-23-2001, 01:05 PM TheMMIz ,
Originally posted by TheMMIz
LOL, go ahead, check out http://www.TheMiz.net , nothing special yet.
This is crazy, I have NOTHING ValuableHost. My name Is Matt, last name sounds like Miz, so check out MattMiz.net, also try BerkleyHigh.com, I have owned that in the past and didn't use ValuableHost.com, I believe Im still in the whois database too. My god, give me a break. Ever buy something at a great price or get a really cool gadget and want to tell someone about it? Thats how I felt, but this is a bunch of bs to have to put up with your rude and untrue comments. How about you ask the owner, I believe his name on these boards is HostEXP, give him a private messsage some time, and Ill be waiting for an apology later :)
Okay. . . 'nuff said;)
We're just not accustomed to someone saying something nice about a host.
Personally I like Hostexp. And I've always liked what I've heard ValuableHost say on the boards.
I have a site hosted by ValuableHost.com and, so far, am quite satisfied with:D
Too early for me to reccomend them though:rolleyes: But I certainly have nothing bad to say about them. If they continue with the kind of service they supply today, they can surley expect to prosper.
So let me say again. . I like ValuableHost.com.
You can't blame someone for being suspicious of your first four posts.
MCHost-Marc 07-23-2001, 01:23 PM Originally posted by Ihoppoet
You and I both know that most hosts over charge. this 3 to 5 bucks a gig is bs, we all know you arn't paying more than a 1.50 if that, so your charging 1.50 to 3.50 for something you really have nothign to do with!
Oh come on!! Any host has to pay for the server use and space, work time, employees, office(s), taxes, paperwork and so much more. Why do you think hosting packages cost something? Because the bandwidth AND work are the most expensive parts.
Take a look at BurstNETs bandwidth prices: http://www.burst.net/servers/ Its between $2.50 and $4.00
Now if you pay $3 for 1GB of bandwidth and you sell the package at $5/month, you're not making more than $1 per customer since you also need to pay for the credit card processing. Is $1 enough for most hosts (and to provide support to a client for an entire month) and stay in business? Search in the forums for threads of hosts that offered 10Gs of bandwidth for $8.95 and check if they are still in business.
dcdomain 07-23-2001, 01:44 PM The lengthy discussion aside, thank you for recommending ValuableHost. Are they really related to HostEXP? Their plans are so different. I'm really digging the price of ValuableHost's plans. Hopefully their service will remain unchanged.
FrenchFrog 07-23-2001, 03:10 PM Hi,
If you were thinking about Win2000Hoster, you'd better not. They are resellers for FastHosts, and they're in Dubai or somewhere around there, not very pro.
I'm looking for some cheap web hosting as well, and one of my best bet is HaiSoft (http://www.haisoft.net). They seem to be very cheap, and their website has just been re-built !!!
See if you get better somewhere else ...
Froggy
edude 07-23-2001, 07:59 PM I am totally disgusted with the attitude at WHT, spamming meh, why would i spam? its easy to attack other hosts isn't? amazing how the attacks come from other hosts mainly eh? WHT is turning into a war field, please mind your businesses and don't flame other hosts, matt is a customer of ours and thats the only way hes related to our company. I have seen many users from other companies always reccomend the company they use. Maybe you just dont have enough happy customers eh?
Feel free to check the IPS, i am so disgusted with you bunch of trolls.
:angry: :angry: :angry:
We are also not related with hostexp.com IN ANY WAY.
Chicken 07-23-2001, 08:45 PM Well, last time I left this thread it was quite different, heh. Ummmm, I appreciate all the backseat moderators, but errrr...
If you really want to be helpful (next time), if you see something is a bit odd, please just report the post. While it is good to have members looking out for the board, we errr... really don't need most of the thread about it. We'll take a look at it, post a request for URLs, etc. Let us look like the bad guys, (everyone hates us anyway :D ).
Matt, your posts jived with the typical board spammer. Be new, 'recommend' a particular host in every post, etc. Don't feel all that offened due to this. After reading your posts, I don't think there's anything wrong. This is partly due to many talks with HostEXP. I think he knows that if he ever did something like that, we'd string him out to dry.
Sometime I'll get around to cleaning this thread.
Jedito 07-23-2001, 09:11 PM Originally posted by Ihoppoet
Orpheus1539 Chill out, you guys are not fooling anyone, Hostexp has a great rep here, I have checked out his page and his ikonboard, and everything seems good. You and I both know that most hosts over charge. this 3 to 5 bucks a gig is bs, we all know you arn't paying more than a 1.50 if that, so your charging 1.50 to 3.50 for something you really have nothign to do with!
I don't want to sound rude, but It seen that you know nothing about it.
Who told you that we are paying $1.5 per GB? most of the host pay $3/5 Per GB. Even Hostpex pay $3.5/Gb he told that in a thread that I can remember now.
So before flame a hosts or telling that we over charge people, please ensure to know what are you talking about:angry:
edude 07-23-2001, 10:59 PM Correction :) $3.25 per gig but that will soon change :)
lol @ chicken!
Jedito 07-24-2001, 02:12 AM Originally posted by Hostexp
Correction :) $3.25 per gig but that will soon change :)
lol @ chicken!
Anyway, what I mean is that we all pay between $2/5 per GB. That we don't overcharge
dcdomain 07-24-2001, 02:29 PM For anyone that cares, I signed up with ValuableHost yesterday afternoon. Perhaps I expected too much, and there is still a couple of hours left until it has hit a full 24 hours since I signed up, but I'm still not set up yet.
I emailed them this morning asking about my account information. Apparently, they had sent out the account details to me already and asked me for another email address. I hope there isn't any problems with my email account, but I received confirmation for the billing (looks like an outside company), but aside from that I never received any email from ValuableHost.
I replied to that email asking them to send it again but haven't gotten a reply yet.
Here's hoping that I can get set up today before work ends...
SoftWareRevue 07-24-2001, 02:37 PM I have always been impressed with ValuableHost's response time to my quarries.
I doubt that any miscommunication is intentional.
:D
dcdomain 07-24-2001, 04:50 PM They are based in Australia right? Guess most of them are sleeping now even though they advertise 24/7 support. Wish I had gone with a host in the same time zone. I have an hour before work ends, so I'm thinking my site won't be up until tomorrow. This totally sucks...
TheMMIz 07-24-2001, 04:53 PM They are based in Australia right? Guess most of them are sleeping now even though they advertise 24/7 support. Wish I had gone with a host in the same time zone. I have an hour before work ends, so I'm thinking my site won't be up until tomorrow. This totally sucks...
@ the ValuableHost Forums: Currently Active Users: 5... HostEXP
He is online right now, why not send him an instant message or email? Try Sales@Valuablehost.com or Support@....com. Just a thought though. ;)
Edit Reason: Typo in email address :)
SoftWareRevue 07-24-2001, 04:56 PM Originally posted by dcdomain
They are based in Australia right? Guess most of them are sleeping now even though they advertise 24/7 support. Wish I had gone with a host in the same time zone. I have an hour before work ends, so I'm thinking my site won't be up until tomorrow. This totally sucks...
If you just signed up with them yesterday, I doubt that DNS has propagated yet anyways. :cool:
dcdomain 07-24-2001, 05:02 PM Crap just missed him... still see you on the boards though. =D I got four minutes before work ends. I'm gonna stay just an hour more or so to try to get this crap straightened out.
Well about the DNS, that's true. I just want to transfer the stuff off my laptop. Not much room to go around in this small harddrive.
(edit: uhm... yeah, I'm an idiot, I wouldn't be able to upload anyway if the domain name did not propogate...)
Yeah so I'm just saying it'd be nice for them to get my information to me soon after the transaction, just to have.
(SH)Saeed 07-24-2001, 06:04 PM Originally posted by dcdomain
(edit: uhm... yeah, I'm an idiot, I wouldn't be able to upload anyway if the domain name did not propogate...)
You can always connect to the server IP or the IP you are assigned (if your account has been setup that is). You don't need to wait for the domain DNS to update, because that domain is going to point you to the IP anyways.
dcdomain 07-24-2001, 06:50 PM Eh... thanks, good point. Even more reason to get my account information.
edit: Well that's it, waited over two hours after work, still haven't heard a thing from them after a reply to the original email, another humanClick submission and a private message. This leaves them with another 13 hours before I get back to check my messages. Quick service? Right... quick in getting my money. Haven't heard from them since (except the one email).
edude 07-24-2001, 08:08 PM Another user quick to post here hey? we replied to your email in under 30 minutes asking for your domain, our records show we sent you the account details, amazing how you can post here before even contacting the host in a proper manner.
Notice, we sent you a email asking for your email addressed when you signedup, why haven't you provided us with this information?
<EDIT>
Well just seems he sent the order id now.
Your details were sent to dcdomain@cmu.edu
12 hours after you ordered the package which is our policy. I asked you to provide another email address we could send it to when you email us which replied to in under 30 minutes.
You have to discuss things with the host, attacking our company here is not going to help you.
edude 07-24-2001, 08:26 PM We sent it again to the same email, bounced back a few times before. If you dont recieved it, as we have requested for the PAST 24 hours, can you provide us with another email address.
-- my experiance so far with valuablehost.com:
I am new to all this hosting bussiness. After a few sites at free hosts (geocities, fortune, etc) I decidied to seek a host company. I only needed a bit of space, nothing to dramatic. I signed with Valuablehost due to positive comments here. They were rather quick to set me up and got all the info I needed between a day or so (did not really keep track of time) I emailed support after I realized there was a typo on my informacion. Got a reply after a couple of minutes and the new set up took a couple of hours. I have yet to start uploading my stuff so it is kind of early to say otherwise. But up to this point they have been nothing but quick and efficient. Granted I was not sitting by my computer waiting for the site to be set up because my site is not an end all for me.
Also people should visit their support board, it might help.
UP to this point I will say valuablehost has been up to par.
Esneider
PS. Now I will start to search for a host for a non-profit I work with....
SoftWareRevue 07-25-2001, 12:25 PM originally posted by esn
PS. Now I will start to search for a host for a non-profit I work with....
You may want to ask in the "Web Hosting Offers and Requests" foum. Someone may be willing to help
:cool:
Just list exactly what you need. . . . .
Never know if ya don't ask.
Good Luck!
dcdomain 07-25-2001, 02:21 PM Well since I decided to go with your services because of the recommendations from people on this board, I figured I'd post my problems here, a larger audience than the one on the ValuableHost board, at times, I was the only one on the board. I checked the Valuable Host board a few times last night while posting here and saw you on once but I guess you signed off the board before you saw my PM.
Aside from that, I'm not sure why the emails were bounced back. At the times I were posting, I was still able to log in and receive my other mail.
Anyway, things are finally set up. Just in time too, my laptop is sitting next to me right now, memory dumps left and right, I haven't been able to boot all the way for the past 30 minutes. Shut it down for the time being. I'm glad I was able to get everything off of it before it went down.
So to anyone who cares, everything is fine between ValuableHost and I.
Sorry for all the posts.
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