im hearing so much about this NOCsoft, for cpanel?What is it?:confused:

Chris

Nocsoft is somehow the successor of CPanel. Do a search on the forum (button on top) and you will find some comments...

The original Cpanel team split up into to groups.. The original creator, Nick, who works for burst now, is working on his own version of cpanel which is called nocsoft..

VDI, the original distributors, are working on there own version which is called webpanel...


hope this helps :)

Originally posted by kunal
The original Cpanel team split up into to groups.. The original creator, Nick, who works for burst now, is working on his own version of cpanel which is called nocsoft..

VDI, the original distributors, are working on there own version which is called webpanel...


hope this helps :)

Thats not quite accurate.

NOCSoft will be a complete re-write of cpanel - infact I have been told there will be no cpanel code in there (not told by any of the developers).

VDI will continue cpanel as "web panel" but basically the dark orb version is just bug fixes - it wont get developed furthur

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown
NOCSoft will be a complete re-write of cpanel - infact I have been told there will be no cpanel code in there (not told by any of the developers).



hmm.. :(

sorry :)

I would love to know more also (even emailed burstnet re. their pending use of it) but as has been pointed out it is still in development and as much as I am dying to know I can appreciate the developers keeping it close if it is as good as it sounds.

Just have to wait I guess.... anyone got a pending release date?

Does someone "know" if it will run on freeBSD?

Nicholas Brown : No Webpanel is not a "bug fixed Version". There is a lot of rumours and mis understandings going on about webpanel / cpanel, so please stop anwering questions that you have absolutly no way of knowing.

When i`m ready to inform what is going on, then I`ll inform. Soooooo Please stop assuming what is happening. :L)


Mr Bill

I'm only 14, but once Im like 18, im going co-location, and I want to send a server to vdi, or whoever has the best bandwidth prices. Anyways, we want to be kept posted to, not just the current customers. If you want more sales, you should keep the gen. public posted, as that would rectify the situation and we woud feel much better! :) :D

Lets see.....

Point - Cpanel/whatever is full of bugs

Point - So far, based on comments here and other places, DarkOrb has done a better job of supporting their panel than VDI.

Point - Burst has had communications issues in the past.

Point - Y'all need to learn how to spell. ;)

Point - both sides are releasing a replacement product RSN, but are holding the details back so as to avoid informing their competition.

Point - Both VDI/William and Burst/Sean have less than stellar reps here.

Point - this has turned into a series of personal attacks, vs actual facts on the product.

Point - Dubaya will never be known as the Great Communicator. :)

Did I cover everything?
How about this?
VDI
-When will VDI issue bug fixes to its *panel clients? Will they? Or must they wait for the replacement product?


Nocsoft
-Still on schedual for Aug release as I've heard, or will it be delayed to further tighten n debug the code?


There were other posts about the features...do a search and you'll find em. Personally, I don't care for either companies attitude or reputation and at this point wouldn't do biz with either. Again, at this point. Maybe after I get a chance to use both new products, see the glowing reviews, etc.
:cool:

peace.

I first heard NOCSOFT was coming out in mid, 2001. Passed. I then heard NOCSOFT was coming out Aug. Now, I emailed sales at bustnet, and they said 3rd quarter, 2001.
-Kyle :cool:

allright.. ive split this thread up and thrown out all the trash...

please post replies relating to the topic and do not turn this thread into a personal attack one..

Not full of Bugs :)

THere are 3 bugs that are left that users have pointed out to us.

1:) Cppop - Some clients such as Eudora and others have an issue with the @ issue. Rewriting the cppop will fix this. - Code is now on some servers for testing.

2:) Subdomains - Email section creates inccorect email values. - Code is testing now on some servers

3:) SSL - Some machines have a problem genrating a key and emailing the cert.

There are other minor issue with webhostmanger that needs to be explained better. Other then that the product is stable and I was told these 3 issues will be public Next Friday.

The protected area for the webpanel section that will be on the VDI site tonight also there will be the start list of the 100 New Features for the New Webpanel release.

VDI also has a 2nd Control Panel that will be out in November - early December which was written by another Programmer. Offering the best of both worlds will give the clients options on what type of control panel will be needed to manage thier business. The Current Webpanel also will be getting some really nice 3rd pary add-ons that owners can charge end users for usage. Groupware and more Database managment tools.

Some clients need more reseller features while others just need to run the server.

VDI has also put the webpanel into new company for strictly Webpanel related software. The Company has new employees that are starting work in 2 weeks or so.

The Website for this is to be released shortly as soon as the corporation papers are completed.

My personal opinion on having a sofware company is that the production does not get halted due to Noc related tech support. Also having seperate mangement team running the software company is very important to obtain goals and deadlines.

One of the major reason of the long delay is not because of lack of production, it was to lay out the plan for the future and sort the code into a organized fashion.

VDI also starting wednesday has added more support staff to handle the Current support load, this also will increase more time to deal with more public relations for clients and help focus more on education with WEbpanel.

Thank you very much for the update. I am very pleased, and I look forward to seeing these new updates in action in the near future. :)
-Kyle :cool:

NOCSoft was NEVER scheduled for mid-2001 release.
We have always said August 2001.
The current release date is 3rd Quarter 2001...which may be August still.

Our goal is to beat VDI to market...and it seems we will be meeting that goal...
As info is released, it will become available to: http://www.nocsoft.net
Not much info is being released at this time, for we do not want competitors to utilize some new ideas that we have come up with...not just for the "other" Cpanel...but for Ensim, Plesk, Sphera, & SmartHostingController as well...before we have time to release such first in NOCSoft.

Also, we have been interviewing potential support/admin staff to support the NOCSoft product.
We realize that supporting the software is just as important as supplying it...

Sean R.
BurstNET

Originally posted by BurstNET
NOCSoft was NEVER scheduled for mid-2001 release.
We have always said August 2001.
The current release date is 3rd Quarter 2001...which may be August still.

Our goal is to beat VDI to market...and it seems we will be meeting that goal...
As info is released, it will become available to: http://www.nocsoft.net
Not much info is being released at this time, for we do not want competitors to utilize some new ideas that we have come up with...not just for the "other" Cpanel...but for Ensim, Plesk, Sphera, & SmartHostingController as well...before we have time to release such first in NOCSoft.

Also, we have been interviewing potential support/admin staff to support the NOCSoft product.
We realize that supporting the software is just as important as supplying it...

Sean R.
BurstNET
That is good, support for a product. Hope it looks good! I bet it will! Thanks for posting!

-Kyle

Thank you both for the update. Some suggestions to both for your respective products:

1- make em work with something besides RedHat 6.2. I know its been mentioned that it may/maynot work with other Linux flavors, but running on more gives alot more flexability. My company uses Mandrake. An affiliate of ours uses BSD and so far no good on that front.

2- Get the support side working at 200%. Most of the bitching I've seen deals with lack of communications. (this and other issues)

3- Theres a LOG issue that 3 different hosts have said is a Cpanel issue. Basically, I've been told that you can either have CPanel (webalizer, analog) OR Raw logs dumped into a \logs directory. Going with raw seems to remove the bandwidth tracking from Cpanel too. I know other places like Web2010 can do both, so it shouldn't be too hard, me thinks. Maybe allow that as a feature in the Reseller bit? Dunno, just a suggestion.

4- Faster, more efficient interface...gets tiring to constantly have to go back to start, especialy when working with the SQL (default themes)

5- Dancing girls.;) Hey, can't hurt. But just not you guys in grass skirts...that would be as scary as me in one.:eek:

Again, thanks. :)

Originally posted by BurstNET
NOCSoft was NEVER scheduled for mid-2001 release.
We have always said August 2001.
The current release date is 3rd Quarter 2001...which may be August still.

Our goal is to beat VDI to market...and it seems we will be meeting that goal...
As info is released, it will become available to: http://www.nocsoft.net
Not much info is being released at this time, for we do not want competitors to utilize some new ideas that we have come up with...not just for the "other" Cpanel...but for Ensim, Plesk, Sphera, & SmartHostingController as well...before we have time to release such first in NOCSoft.

Also, we have been interviewing potential support/admin staff to support the NOCSoft product.
We realize that supporting the software is just as important as supplying it...

Sean R.
BurstNET




Now i have to have a copy of this as well when it comes just for this one line ( We realize that supporting the software is just as important as supplying it... ) I think we may end using both VDI and Busrt as they may both end up as great CP's.. :)

Kaith Sutai-Rustaz:

Both products will run on Mandrake.

Cool. Gives me a good option now as webmins driving me nuts (well, nutier?) :D

Originally posted by BurstNET
available to: http://www.nocsoft.net
Not much info is being released at this time, for we do not want competitors to utilize some new ideas that we have come up with...not just for the "other" Cpanel...but for Ensim, Plesk, Sphera, & SmartHostingController as well...before we have time to release such first in NOCSoft.

Also, we have been interviewing potential support/admin staff to support the NOCSoft product.
We realize that supporting the software is just as important as supplying it...

Sean R.
BurstNET




I can't wait...



:)

I will enjoy seeing Nocsoft and VDI `s other new mystery Control panel both come out just about the same time...

While there are a very selected few that have seen VDI 2nd Control Panel, VDI should be able to keep the lead the Control panel war :)

The 2nd control panel has no code related to the first one. We expect it to be 3 times faster loading and much more secure.

The Webpanel fixes should be Competed to hold over most people. I expect September to be the start of a great new Season.

O my god another year has passed!!

Originally posted by William
Not full of Bugs :)

THere are 3 bugs that are left that users have pointed out to us.

1:) Cppop - Some clients such as Eudora and others have an issue with the @ issue. Rewriting the cppop will fix this. - Code is now on some servers for testing.

2:) Subdomains - Email section creates inccorect email values. - Code is testing now on some servers

3:) SSL - Some machines have a problem genrating a key and emailing the cert.



William (and Sean to), you say there are only 3 bugs left but in this post http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=15735 ckizer says there are some security holes that you guys know about. Is this true? And if so will they be fixed before the new panels come out?

Thanks

Originally posted by William
VDI should be able to keep the lead the Control panel war :)


Does VDI have the lead now? Id be interested to know the VDI vs. Darkorb data as to who provides more cpanels. Whos to say cpanel even has the lead in the control panel war considering options like ensim, webmin, smart hosting controller, and webcp.

Has anyone seen nocsoft to even make this statement above or was that just wishful thinking and a conversation peice ;) ? Oh ya, one last note... this IS just a conversaional reply and not meant to offend anyone. I can't wait to see what you have in store for everyone Bill ;) . And I'm anxious to see what Nocsoft has planned as well. Time is runing out !

We are all racing to make the best and get it out the soonest... who will prevail?

First of all this war is not about being anal to hurt anyone. I luv Nick like a Brother and he is still one of the best programmers i have seen. Nick has helped me personaly with just about anything i that i needed.

Even though Nick no longer works for VDI, I am not at all mad at him..

How ever :) without Nick, Burst would be still located at VDI and this whole situation would not have been started.

I hope one day all this will just be a bad dream that will end.

Instead of giving everyone a directory listing of your nocsoft.net site why don't you put something up??? is this the kind of professional control panel creators we can expect?

Originally posted by ckizer
Instead of giving everyone a directory listing of your nocsoft.net site why don't you put something up??? is this the kind of professional control panel creators we can expect?

ouch, thats harsh. But I do agree you may want to at least put up a index saying "future site of ...." or somthing.

Originally posted by ckizer
Instead of giving everyone a directory listing of your nocsoft.net site why don't you put something up??? is this the kind of professional control panel creators we can expect?


Nick is working hard on nocsoft that i do know, but i have no idea what the Burst relation is to it.

what ever nick does end up making, it will be very good.

Well I guess no one is going to answer the question I posted above. Guess it's true or both vdi and burst would be racing to deny it.

Originally posted by JeremyL
Well I guess no one is going to answer the question I posted above. Guess it's true or both vdi and burst would be racing to deny it.

The Bug is not Cpanel related its "OS related" just changing the permissions is the fix.

Originally posted by William


The Bug is not Cpanel related its "OS related" just changing the permissions is the fix.

Well almost, using SuEXEC is truly the best fix but that will break good ole cpanel.

sunday night and nothing to do could have a lot to do with it.

anyways, has anyone actully thought about the Suexec vs Modperl for security reasons? From what i gathered there are also issues with Suexec .

I like to hear a few tech opinons on this ...

ah, looks like someone cleaned this thread up. ;)

Originally posted by Jag
ah, looks like someone cleaned this thread up. ;)

Yeah, just for a change :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I saw it! :)

It looks very good..and has a few new features that have been requested for a while.

That's about all I'm allowed to say though :bawling:

That sucks...why did you have to go telling everyone you saw it and then not share it? :(

heh..booooooooooooooooo

I'm not sure how much more development it needs, but it already has more features then the current WHM..

And why? Bill said I could as long as I didn't release anything about the features :stickout

I got a sneaky look at webpanel and all it looked like was a new skin for cpanel. It may have been an old version or something but it wasn't nothing to jump head over heels for. Maybe the new WHM might be something to look at.

ok, just a little request to the NocSoft devs: sfcommerce, please let the billing integration be compatible with this company`s billing solution :agree:
Then everyone will be happy including us from other countries than US.

Originally posted by teck
I got a sneaky look at webpanel and all it looked like was a new skin for cpanel. It may have been an old version or something but it wasn't nothing to jump head over heels for. Maybe the new WHM might be something to look at.

Errrr Teck what you saw was NOT WEbpanel and not the end client side :) it was the Owner controls, not client. and also it has nothing what so ever to do with wepanel.

Ok, thanks for the clarification...

Integration for Echo-Inc would be good too. :)

Originally posted by Haakon
ok, just a little request to the NocSoft devs: sfcommerce, please let the billing integration be compatible with this company`s billing solution :agree:
Then everyone will be happy including us from other countries than US.

worldpay intergration would be good :)

Regards

Craig

Well, I finally got a look at the new web panel server manager area... Cool.

Loads much faster!!! Looks clean, and has features coming that we have all been waiting for. I like the way things are layed out in a user friendly way.

They are keeping real tight lipped on it, but it is a great start from what I saw. Faster loading, more features, and looks nice too.

Can't wait to see the finished version with all the bells and whistles that they are still working on right now.

Tim L :cool:

Is the VDI's or burst you are talking about?

I looked at VDIs new version. The one that is a completely new creation..
Now I hear there may or is going to be 2 versions from VDI.

One that is a completely new control panel system, and then a much improved version of their current WebPanel (cpanel).

At this point, all we can do is wait, but I am in the same boat as the rest of you... hoping for sooner instead of later. The little bits and pieces I have been told about I can't share with you, but it just makes waiting harder when we don't get the full picture.

All I can say is that with what I have seen and been told,,, there are major improvements on the way. How soon... who knows. Just hope the code is clean when it hits the servers.

Tim L :cool:

Is NOCSoft going to have a monthly charge like CPanel, or a one-time charge like Plesk?

Please include billing integration for SureFire Commerce (sfcommerce.com) in the new control panel. This will be very good for those like me who are not in the US and cannot get a merchant account for authorize.net. sfCommerce is the only company that truely allows international merchant accounts so please try to include its billing in the new c panel.