I run a company called SpinnaHost. I began on a reseller from MaxiSpace. Their server wasn't reliable so i looked for someone to buy a dedicated with. I ended up with a guy who formally worked at MaxiSpace called John. Basically it has all been down hill from there. He persuaded me to jump at a limited deal from DedicatedNOW (Which I am very happy with might I add). I NEVER recieved his half of the money. He also has been moody with clients and to top it all off he signed into MaxiSpace IM's and started spamming the old customers with SpinnaHost!

Please beware of this person and do not trust him!

I sent to him today:
John,

Firstly I would like to thank you sincerely for your help in taking SpinnaHost to a new level. Without you I would never have bought the dedicated even though your promised money never arrived.

Unfortunately SpinnaHost cannot continue with you as a part of it. Slowly I have seen a small company exposed in places like WHT with a bad reputation. When you said you ask a few MaxiSpace people to move who your friends I did NOT expect you spam all of their clients and especially not from the MaxiSpace MSN/AIM addresses. While SpinnaHost has benefited financially from your work it has definitely no benefited in any other way. I do not feel I can trust you to talk to clients and loosing trust is not a good thing with a partner.

I received multiple emails from people after I requested them to tell me if you did this again on WHT. I also got some quotes of your support over AIM & MSN. I cannot trust you to talk to clients and I cannot trust you with root and SSH access.

Best luck with future venturers. Consider all links with SpinnaHost terminated.

LLOYD
SpinnaHost

P.S. I would appreciate you handling this as maturely as possible. Please do not attack the server or any parts of SpinnaHost or its reputation. If not for the aggressive way you have treated your clients over MSN I would have said this there. Please make all our correspondence by email from now on.
By financial gain I am refering too about $30 in 3 or 4 clients. I am more than happy to refund this if they want it since they were recruited in such an unproffessional way.
I then got the following reply:
Envelope-to: lloyd@spinnaweb.com.au
X-Originating-IP: [195.92.168.163]
X-Originating-Email: [visionsinblue@hotmail.com]
From: "John O'Nions" <visionsinblue@hotmail.com>
To: lloyd@spinnaweb.com.au
Bcc:
Subject: Re: SpinnaHost No Longer Needs You
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:19:09 +0100
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2003 08:19:09.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD88A970:01C31C4C]


And consider yourself dead meat. You want a war you've got one, within just days SpinnaHost's reputation will be even further down the toilet and you can kiss goodbye to any clients you have/may gain because of me. I think the reality is, the world no longer needs you, and believe me in the most mature way possible I will pull your little "empire" to ruins purely for the fun of it.


You had better be watching your back, I've got more friends than you'll ever need enemies - your financial gain won't even begin to make up for what you're gonna lose. You can shove your appreciation up the orifice from which the suns rays do not emerge, nobody ****s me around without good reasoning. You see unfortunately for you, I know exactly what you're upto and you're going to have more than me to worry about. Remember that.


So, have a nice life and don't worry, don't take this vendetta personally. It's strictly business.


-[Pho3nix]-Harlequin-


_________________________________________________________________
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And 5 or so minutes later I got:
Envelope-to: lloyd@spinnahost.com
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:27:52 0000
From: lloyd@spinnahost.com
Bcc:


eMailerV1.0 -eHacker [ www.nandedmafia.tk ]
To: "Lloyd Johnson" <lloyd@spinnahost.com>
From: "Lloyd Johnson" <lloyd@spinnahost.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: You better sort this one out


You want to watch it you know, having porn and unsolicited email sent from your emaila ddresses isn't going to do you any favours.
Here is my MSN log to him too. It begins with me half way through the email to him but with passwords already changed:
.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Session Start: 17 May 2003 |
| Participants: |
| ...Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com (info@spinnaweb.com.au) |
| Vega (visionsinblue@hotmail.com) |
.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
[15:29:26] Vega: mornin
[15:34:08] Vega: hmm
[15:44:12] Vega: care to explain?
[15:45:31] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com:
morning
[15:45:38] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: i was
just making coffee
[15:45:43] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: can i
finish my email to you?
[15:45:55] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: rather
than explain on msn
[16:10:17] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: email
sent
[16:10:18] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com
auto-message: Sorry live support is not available right
now. Please use my personal email (lloyd@spinnahost.com)
for anything relating to me or the Support forums for
support related issues (www.spinnahost.com/forums)


.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Session Start: 17 May 2003 |
| Participants: |
| ...Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com (info@spinnaweb.com.au) |
| Vega (visionsinblue@hotmail.com) |
.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
[16:32:15] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: I
think you should calm down
[16:32:26] Vega: Nah, not a hope in hell
[16:32:35] Vega: I beat Neil, look where Maxispace is
[16:32:53] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: John
you are being immature
[16:33:02] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: and I
am glad I did not take SpinnaHost any further with you
[16:33:41] Vega: immature? me? you going on the words of everyone
else? can't believe I trusted you
[16:33:46] Vega: but don't worry
[16:33:52] Vega: Revenge is a sweet sweet thing
[16:34:02] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: words
of everyone elsE? look at you now
[16:34:15] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: i can
delete your clients if u like
[16:34:24] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: i do
not want or need their money
[16:34:55] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: is
that what you want?
[16:34:57] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: take
them all back
[16:35:13] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: all I
want is to run SpinnaHost proffessionally and I could not
do that with you


.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
| Session Start: 17 May 2003 |
| Participants: |
| ...Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com (info@spinnaweb.com.au) |
| Vega (visionsinblue@hotmail.com) |
.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
[16:39:02] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: sorry
router crashed
[16:39:22] Vega: shame
[16:39:25] Vega: hoped it was something terminal
[16:47:14] Vega: well, busy day cancelling services, sending mass
email etc so I'd best be off
[16:47:20] Vega: have a lovely day, I know I will
[16:47:24] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: cya
man
[16:47:47] Vega: btw you really want to get that sorted
[16:48:04] Vega: do it properly no-one would know the difference if
you get what I mean
[16:48:07] Vega: ciao

Please help me! What do I do? I am only posting this hear to let you know what hes trying to do to me and my company and to warn you about him. He is malicous and needs help!

STAY CLEAR OF THIS PERSON!

LLOYD
SpinnaHost

LLoyd, have you tried just `not replying' to his emails and ignoring/blocking him on msn/instant messenger? I think it would serve you well, as people like this usually tire pretty quickly if they can't get a rise out of you. Just my observation, good luck!

He is blocked on my MSN and besides letting him know about me wanting him out I have not emailed anything too him.

The reasons I am treating this with such importance is that he brought down a company alot bigger than mine called MaxiSpace :(

i'm hopping you're saving all those logs in case something does happen to your server, clients, etc. although i'm not a lawyer, i think they would be some pretty good proof in a court case.

make sure nothing is running witha pid of 0 on your server apart from root :)

Run

grep :0 /etc/passwd

as root... and if there is anyhting with a 0 after the :x: then you have problems and he's enabled root access on another account...

i.e.

root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash

is fine as long as you have changed the passwords...

root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^-----that's what you are looking for :)

I cannot agree with you there Brendan. There are certain e-mail programs on the Internet which just allow you to say what the "Reply-To:" address is. So e-mails aren't really classed as hard-core proof when there are so many programs made out there, which ask you to state your "Reply-To:" address... meaning it isn't so solid proof.

Chat logs, again not too solid proof. They can easily be made, etc.


I'm just showing you why that isn't strong enough proof in a court of law. The lawyer can easily get around the case if he's a clever lawyer. Remember... those are only two reasons why the proof given here wouldn't hold up in a court... now if you're paid thousands of dollars to do just that, imagine all the reasons and excuses you can come up with.

Best to do is sit tight and hold your belt.

Did his handle -[Pho3nix]-Harlequin- not give you a clue that you were dealing with a loon?

Simon

Simon has got a point there. I wonder why he calls himself that thoug...:confused:

He probably wouldn't if he knew what a Harlequin Baby was.... just search on Google for them. You'll see never want to hear, see or speak that word again. :cartman:

I have searched for the handle on google and found nothing that seems to relate to him. Most results are based on the Pho3nix part. That is also the first email I have seen that handle used. Not even seen him using it on MSN Messenger.

I ran what you said too and I got:
Last login: Fri May 16 02:41:36 2003 from i116-252.nv.iinet.net.au
root@ebony [~]# cd /
root@ebony [/]# grep :0 /etc/passwd
root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
sync:x:5:0:sync:/sbin:/bin/sync
shutdown:x:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown
halt:x:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt
operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/sbin/nologin
root@ebony [/]#
I have restarted the server after changing passwords to make sure he did not have the SSH client maintaining a connection. Also iinet is my ISP which means he has not logged in since I sent the email too him.

I have also posted a note on my hosting sites front page in regards to the email threat (He has already emailed 3 people that I know of with nothing too serious, just things like: "Nice how he lets me still use his mail server").

Thanks everyone for your feedback. I am hanging onto the logs even if they are not helpful in a court of law. I brought this out in the public now to make sure my side of the story was well out in the open in case he makes wild allegations or tries to ruin SpinnaHost's rep.

LLOYD
SpinnaHost

I also dug up a letter from Neil of MaxiSpace. I did not realize what he meant until he did it to me... how I wished I had listened :(
Hi,

This message is meant for Lloyd.

I am sending you this message because I feel bad for you having to work with John, he will
gain your trust - then betray it.

On numerous occasions he has threatoned me to get money, domains, etc. He was holding the
Maxispace domains "hostage" for ages, and still owns **************.

Once he didn't get what he wanted so he logged into SSH and threatend to delete everything if I didn't do
what he said.

Heres a few of his "average" support responses as well:

------------ (directed to a client via ticket)
Matt,
Coming from a mere child such as yourself I find that statement as amusing as it is ironic. I do not really have time to be having such petty fights with petty people as I have important matters to tend to - so therefore I will take your advice and take my "insecurities" elsewhere. Thank you for the evenings entertainment, you are welcome to another "conversation" when you've grown up a little

----------



Arguements like that with customers will become quite common when he gets in a "bad" mood. I think you will also find that he has a thing for ruining reputations, I have issued so many refunds because of arguements, fights, or problems caused by John.



Also watch out for his AIM support:



------------

maxispacesupport: I'll tell him when he's around

HaRdWeRk21: what i though

HaRdWeRk21: t

maxispacesupport: you thought wrongly

HaRdWeRk21: why are u obsessed w/ me?

maxispacesupport: me obsessed with you?

maxispacesupport: who started this conversation?

HaRdWeRk21: i asked for neil

maxispacesupport: so?

maxispacesupport: he's not around, I've as much right to be on AIM as anyone have I not?

maxispacesupport: since there are clients who want support, I give them support

HaRdWeRk21: i asked for neil, not some geek that can't control his emotions

maxispacesupport: So?

HaRdWeRk21: jesus man

maxispacesupport: I don't give a **** what you want you immature little ****

HaRdWeRk21: lol

HaRdWeRk21: big man behind a monitor

maxispacesupport: Little man behind a monitor

maxispacesupport: And it was a pleasure (not) serving you, you might as well cancel your services now

maxispacesupport: know why?

HaRdWeRk21: no, why

maxispacesupport: Neil won't be around tonight

HaRdWeRk21: ok

maxispacesupport: problems with Earthlink, apparently so don't hold ya breath - anyway, there are more sociable and mature people around who would like a bit of help, so I suppose I'll go and do my job

maxispacesupport: ciao

---------

--------
Stephen says:
how do you figure, I didn't talk back any more then you did
John says:
WHT
John says:
Thats how I figured
John says:
Now, care to **** off?
Stephen says:
listing, you brang that all on. I never did a thing.
----------


Is he already ruining your rep?

Quote from WHT:
-----------
"John is on the maxispace msn account switching clients over to his new adventure. http://www.spinnahost.com/site/?p=index

So basically SinnaHost is a spin-off of maxispace in another attempt for these kids to try and make some money."
-----------



This is from an MSN convo with him:

------------

Neil - Maxispace.com says:
I should have a talk with the guy your working with, lloyd
Wildchild - You ****, I'm not a queer, I'll state my case, To which I'm certain... says:
lol any partic reason
Neil - Maxispace.com says:
perhaps show him some of your tickets
Wildchild - You ****, I'm not a queer, I'll state my case, To which I'm certain... says:
you can do that
Wildchild - You ****, I'm not a queer, I'll state my case, To which I'm certain... says:
and then i can destroy maxispace
Wildchild - You ****, I'm not a queer, I'll state my case, To which I'm certain... says:
you see Lloyd trusts me ;)

-----------

Beware of John, lloyd.. This is all the evidence I could find to back me up - but I would feel guilty if I didn't at least warn you. John has already started ruining your rep by offering Maxispace customers to switch to you with the same deal, and logging on our AIM/MSN and spamming clients.

Regards,
Neil Linden

LLoyd, have you tried just `not replying' to his emails and ignoring/blocking him on msn/instant messenger? I think it would serve you well, as people like this usually tire pretty quickly if they can't get a rise out of you.

I totally agree!!

We have had to deal with idiots like this in the past and the best advice I can give you is to give him the "corporate blank" as if he were trying to contact someone from microsoft. He will soon find somewhere else to vent his frustration and leave you alone.

Good luck!

You may want to remove the 'c' word from the above message (2 or 3 above).

It may cause offence to some people.

Yeah.....You would think the mods would have it set to be replaced with ****.

Originally posted by SpinnaHost_L
I have searched for the handle on google and found nothing that seems to relate to him.

From the General Practice Notebook www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/886046768.htm

harlequin baby

lamellar ichthyosis is inherited as an autosomal recessive with an estimated incidence of less than 1 per 300,000
usually it starts at birth or within the first 3 months. It begins as a generalised erythema and subsequently the skin becomes thickened and scaly. The entire cutaneous area may become scaly - including flexures, palms and soles
the scales are large and parchment-like. They may be verrucous especially around the joints
additional features in some patients include palmoplantar hyperkeratosis, ectropion and scarring alopecia
sweating may be abnormal and the patient hyperpyrexial. Skin infections are common
the genetic mutation causing lamellar ichthyosis is, at present, unknown

His name even sounds rediculous, John Onions! Come on now... LOL.

Just out of interest how old is this John guy? Sheesh!

Below is a log of him talking with a guy called Kane. I recieved it in an email and I am posting it at his request:
Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message
conversation.


John:
You wanna watch your back
Kane:
Why you being so rude, John....
John:
to whom
Kane:
me..
John:
cos i got the boot this morning
John:
and i dont fancy your chances either
Kane:
What do you mean
John:
i got the boot from spinnahost
Kane:
Yes I know that.
John:
well then
John:
tomorrow you too may find a blade in your back
Kane:
Stuff like that puts you in jail. Could we discuss whats bothering and see
what you have done wrong?
John:
stuff like what eh
Kane:
the blade in the back thing....
John:
I didn't mean literally you fool
John:
Well lets put it this way
John:
this time yesterday me and Lloyd got on fine
John:
just hours later I'm history
John:
just giving you food for thought
Kane:
well do you know why...
John:
yup
John:
something Lloyd was only too happy to ignore just hours previously
John:
but never mind, Spinnahost will end up like Maxispace
John:
and I'll be there to smirk
Kane:
ok listen me sec. NOw if you ran a big company and had an employ who did all
that would you fire him or become nicer?
John:
did all what Kane?
John:
you going to sit and be spoon fed?
John:
hah, fool
John:
you saw the demise of one webhosting company, whats another one?
John:
*grins* you wanna take what you can get whilst it's still available
Kane:
well john. I think you had a big part in that. And really I dont think neil
needed that kinda treatment and have his name scared
John:
perhaps, got me what I wanted
John:
and I was well within my rights either way
Kane:
You think it's fair putting neil out. he was doing a good job
John:
he spent time, so did I
John:
he screws me around, I screw him around
John:
otherwise you end up as a doormat
Kane:
he screwed no one around
John:
whatever
Kane:
he was a busy person
Kane:
scared that something like this would happend
John:
you were only too happy to diss him a few weeks back
John:
so dont be so damned hypocritical
Kane:
not after i hear the truth
John:
hehehe truth? that what you call it
Kane:
God's truth
John:
*sneers* I got what I was owed, I left him alone - I don't see how you can
judge me on that one
John:
and God, **** him
Kane:
Saying you will take maxispace out by taking the domains is not really nice.
even I would never that. You really upset neil and im sure his family too. I
knowen him so long and he trusted you so musch like a brother.
Kane:
Till you started acting mean near the end
John:
Which one sat giving bull**** about money eh?
John:
Which one has still made a nice profit after all this?
Kane:
well for your information
Kane:
I made 120 dollers us and also getting another 90 dollers us.
Kane:
Saying your going take down neil for cash is wrong
John:
I was within my legal rights
John:
Thank you
John:
You wanna check it, be my guest
Kane:
where did you sign?
John:
Where did he sign
John:
^_^
John:
I could have had him for breaching copyright using the Maxispace name
John:
since it's mine
John:
theres breach of the law number one
John:
like me to list the rest?
Kane:
sure.
Kane:
im here to solve not fight
John:
Could have fooled me well
John:
Heheheh sure it was a mean way of getting my way, but hey it worked
Kane:
and took the company down with you
John:
And for your information, after payment I left the domains where they were
John:
Was him that claimed server crash and liquidated Maxispace
John:
not me
John:
that was just a nice little addition
Kane:
he would have tried get maxispace back on there feeet after the crash. but
instead with all this that happend. he decided it was over
Kane:
john it was a big part of you. he needed your help he needed your support
John:
you knew me, you'd know i needed the money to fund my habits
John:
so please, dont patronise me this one time
Kane:
telling mmebers to join us also was wrong. I knew you told a member or too.
but that was thinking you knew them. when i hear that you spammed neils
login on msn with join us you made us look bad
John:
correction
John:
you want to hear how many I told about Spinnahost?
John:
14 precisely - 12 of which I had "personal" contact with prior
John:
and Neils login - using MY domain name?
John:
another breach of the law by the way, I never gave him written permission
Kane:
your very smart john....
John:
why you think I get away with what I do
Kane:
and where do you see your self in 10 years.....
John:
it's not fair, it's not nice, it's not me
John:
but I won't be a doormat
John:
successful is where I will be Kane
John:
where I will laugh at this
John:
laugh at petty little dreams I have now
Kane:
now will this be at your moms and dad house where you will be lol ? in 10
years....
John:
nah, I won't be here
John:
my folks will have retired somewhere nice in the country courtesy of me
John:
I'll just be trouncing little businesses and toying with people
John:
Pretty much the same as now just on a larger scale
Kane:
John. I bring you back to earth for sec. Thats never going happend if this
the way you going to act...
John:
Care to explain "the way I act"
John:
I can talk my way out of anything, I can get involved with pretty much
anything I like
John:
choose the right place and act professionally I've got a proper job
John:
if it's just a laugh
John:
I'll act how I like, it's not my problem
Kane:
Whats your next thing. a bank... killing somone... John you cant keep doing
tese little things and it was not even that little
John:
nah, bank jobs too risky
John:
killing people - its a good idea
John:
but again, too messy
John:
covering up is too much work for me
Kane:
how old are you again....
John:
heheh you know
John:
or rather, I told you
John:
if you chose to take any notice or not
John:
is not my concern
Kane:
7?
Kane:
english not bad so i give it an 8?
John:
heheh in case you didn't know, an 8 year old has nowhere near the
intelligence of myself
John:
why haven't I been in trouble then eh?
John:
love to see you get out of the messes I create
Kane:
yes i guess your right 8 year old is not mean to take down a whole internet
company
John:
and you're what, 17?
John:
lol nor is an 8 year old stupid enough to work for nothing
Kane:
why you in the maxispace login....
John:
its mine
John:
thats why
John:
oh look, spinnahosts clients
Kane:
is it reg in your name and phone number
John:
is now
John:
happy holidays
John:
wake up and smell the roses
Kane:
oh you hacked into your saying
John:
nope
John:
using my domain its mine
John:
plus I was given express permission in the form of a digitally signed email
John:
so erm, take that and stick that where the sun doesn't shine
Kane:
stop getting rude with me. your not a 2 year old..
Kane:
what are you going to do with maxispace domains.....
John:
me getting rude? who is making accusations here

Second part as it would not all fit in one post:
John:
keep them for personal email
John:
about covers it
Kane:
so your not adding anything to the front of the site or anything
John:
might add some abuse about Neil and Lloyd
John:
obviously it will all be factual
John:
otherwise it's slanderous
Kane:
and does that make you happy
John:
Nope
John:
I do it for the sheer hell of it
Kane:
Lloyd has done nothing wrong, he had every right to kick you off the team.
John:
Yeah after I'd cashed him some money of course
John:
Heheh you aint seen the beginning of this yet
Kane:
what you going to do?
John:
wouldn't that be silly

John:
admitting to any unfortunate accidents that may occur in the very near
future?
Kane:
?\
John:
not getting me that easily
Kane:
here i9 have one for you. were you using his email to send emails about
crap?
John:
although I know that .txt files cannot be used as evidence, due to the
realtive ease needed to produce forgeries
John:
Hey, me?
John:
Pin it on me
John:
Go on
Kane:
im asking was this you
John:
*grins* sorry forgot, no evidence that can be traced
Kane:
im not saying you im asking
John:
tut I don't know
John:
who would do such a thing
John:
*grins*
Kane:
thats all i need to know.
John:
out of your league boys
Kane:
so whats your next steps going join any more internet hosting companys?
John:
nah, sit and ruthlessly go through all the ones with owners I hate
Kane:
you here to hate everyone?
John:
even if I did think I'd be stupid enough to tell people such as yourself?
John:
nope
John:
just those that don't give me a chance or abuse chances I give them
John:
as I said, I aint here as a doormat
Kane:
then leave
Kane:
stop bugging people
Kane:
and just forget it
Kane:
you got your money from neil
John:
and let Lloyd think he's won?
Kane:
now just leave everyone alone?
John:
Nah, this is a vendetta
Kane:
hes not here to win John
John:
nothing better to do
John:
yeah, he is
Kane:
hes here to act like a man and run a hosting company
John:
he nearly got money off me ya know
John:
he still would have run off with it
John:
thank **** I never trusted him eh
Kane:
yeah well he did not know till yesterday about what you have done
John:
what ever
John:
he had "known" for the past week
Kane:
He would have refounded you for sure if that did happen
John:
but decided to do little
Kane:
no
John:
whatever
Kane:
he got a email...
John:
oh yeah, from our lord and saviour
Kane:
well
John:
well he's gonna recieve a few more from angry people
Kane:
he was the lord and he did save us
Kane:
the truth was sent
John:
perhaps I can pay a couple of friends down under to "pay him a visit" too
eh?
John:
money well spent I would say
Kane:
yeah dont forget to say im not a doormate
John:
again, outta your league bud
Kane:
out mine....
Kane:
looks like you just lost a good thing to ahve on your resume and maybe a
well paying future job.....
John:
lol you think that can ever be a real job?
John:
get real, maxispace was always gonna close when Neil moved on for example
John:
why would spinna be any different eh?
Kane:
easy to get a job these days john. I mean if you wanted work somewhere
beside Time Hortons....
John:
lol if they even existed in this country
John:
I'd find that amusing
John:
since they don't lame and insignificant comment
John:
congratulations
Kane:
what you going to say... I worked with maxispace for 5 months.. then i took
down the company made 150 dollers and left?
John:
nah they dont feature on my resume
John:
got much more respectable items to add actually
Kane:
whats that?
John:
real jobs for instance?
John:
very nice exam results?
John:
hell you can kiss my degree in 5 years mate
John:
it makes no odds to me
John:
poxy two bit companies such as those aforementioned aren't worthwhile enough
to even contemplate
Kane:
well john
John:
never got past hobbyist stage Im afraid
Kane:
hmm well john been good talking to you
John:
bottling it like the rest eh
Kane:
maybe i talk to you in 5 or more years see if them dreams came true or not
John:
yeah that suits me
John:
when im a big businessman
John:
and you're working in what was it, Time Hortons?
Kane:
yes john im sure you will be very bif <------------------->
John:
*sneers* you're gonna be seeing a lot more of me
Kane:
big*
John:
and sooner than you know it
Kane:
not much more john good bye
John:
you wish
Kane:
if you got questions you can email me at kane@spinnahost.com besides that
your gone off my msn
John:
hahaha
John:
some loss to me
Kane:
night john
John:
night

I had a few threats a couple weeks ago. They sounded serious, well-researched, and the people were blackmailing me. I simply coded a ridiculous logging problem, changed all passwords, checked the code, and haven't been bothered since :) Lots of talk, usually...

At this stage I am fairly sure my server will be okay. What really worries me now is what he plans to do to my reputation :(

Your grep ran fine...

Dude, i wouldn't post all that stuff on here - just post a link to it somewhere else...!

Originally posted by Jeewhizz
Your grep ran fine...

Dude, i wouldn't post all that stuff on here - just post a link to it somewhere else...!

Honestly, I couldn't agree with you much more Jeewhizz.

Originally posted by SpinnaHost_L
I run a company called SpinnaHost. I began on a reseller from MaxiSpace. Their server wasn't reliable so i looked for someone to buy a dedicated with. I ended up with a guy who formally worked at MaxiSpace called John. Basically it has all been down hill from there. He persuaded me to jump at a limited deal from DedicatedNOW (Which I am very happy with might I add). I NEVER recieved his half of the money. He also has been moody with clients and to top it all off he signed into MaxiSpace IM's and started spamming the old customers with SpinnaHost!

Please beware of this person and do not trust him!

I sent to him today:

By financial gain I am refering too about $30 in 3 or 4 clients. I am more than happy to refund this if they want it since they were recruited in such an unproffessional way.
I then got the following reply:

And 5 or so minutes later I got:

Here is my MSN log to him too. It begins with me half way through the email to him but with passwords already changed:


Please help me! What do I do? I am only posting this hear to let you know what hes trying to do to me and my company and to warn you about him. He is malicous and needs help!

STAY CLEAR OF THIS PERSON!

LLOYD
SpinnaHost

If you get spam and porn things sent to your clients, remind them to check their mail headers to make sure it is official from your server..

:D Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by SE Networks
His name even sounds rediculous, John Onions! Come on now... LOL.


.... and everyone though John was immature! :rolleyes:

Thanks I will no longer post the info on this forum but a link too it. Things seem to be blowing over but I am remaining alert. I don't think there is much more I can do.

You should create a page with all the info in an organised fashion. Would really help people see the whole picture and understand the situation better.

this John person seems a little insane. Or power hungry.

Rules of better business, KNOW who you work with, and live near them, in case of this sorta trash happens, u can pay them a personal visit, as we all know, anyone can pretend to be someone who they are not, in the internet.

Mile stone for me. I have decided to ditch this whole partnership thing and hit it off on my own :P
Big move as I do not know a huge amount about servers but I have found a guy I can pay per hour if I get issues. Very reasonable rates. Still no demage done by John. Fingers crossed :D
I have also started looking closely at the accounts on my server and found that my origional 10-15 accounts has jumped to 34. I have money for 3... I am now emailing people trying to work out if John hosted them for free or if they paid him. So far one response and they paid his paypal. Makes me mad...
I guess I just need to host them free this month and start charging again from next month :)

Prepare and send a nice little reminder about the official address(es) to send payment, and mention that any other addresses are not valid.

You may get a few answers back, and even if not, it might prevent some from sending him another payment.

At least get my name right ladies and gentlemen. And spell "ridiculous" correctly. I will inform you all that there is more than one side to a story later this evening, looks like I've got a legal document to write for slanderous behaviour.

And as for court of law - I would love to see you get anyone in trouble with a .txt file. I'll set my clock back, write one i word where Lloyd/Neil/Kane threatened to kill me and save it, before setting clock again. Then try to have them arrested for harrassment. I don't think so, do you?

And I'm not insane, or power hungry. Just a drug addict and alcoholic.

Well, I suppose I had better put my side of the story across instead of sitting and taking this bull. Here goes:

The large part of this email is supposition, apparently's and text files. As stated before the value of a text file is very limited, and I will voice a warning to those supposedly posting things that I have apparently said - I can say that I did not say what is contained within those "logs" and that they were fabricated purely as "evidence" to smear my name. Now since I already am involved with a web services company, I have little to fear from a mild slanging from a new entry to the web hosting circuit and very few of you know the truth about my past.

Starting at the beginning, I was involved with Maxispace many many months before Neil. It was him that revived it with me around 6 months ago and I must admit he did a good job and worked hard. However he handled the money side of the business, and being foolish as I was new, nothing was ever signed - I trusted him pure and simple. It was around 5 months on and no site of money, and I know a large sum had been cashed - in excess of $1200. It was then I started to ask more readily and so forth, as I had devoted a lot of time to tech support - my side of the bargain. After discussions with someone much older and wiser than myself, I sent an email to Neil - admittedly a little nasty considering we were supposed to be friends but my fears that he was going to run off into the sunset had reached paramount. I threatened legal action, that was admittedly sketchy and I doubt I would have won but it was a last chance saloon method. Following this, he paid me in full and under a mutual agreement I left the domains alone (as I owned the "name" still). It was around one week later a server crashed forced Neil to close Maxispace - I am being blamed yet I have no idea why. If it is true, I am unaware as to how I could have induced a hard disk crash in a server over one thousand miles away.

Moving onto the more shady Spinnahost afair, I was basically offered a job as tech support/co owner following my absence of Maxispace. It was here that many rumours and untruths have been told and I expect them to be rectified before Lloyd finds himself in more trouble than he could ever get me in.

For a starters, I never spammed anyones MSN list - I logged in and pointed many clients to Neil for their rightful refund, and to those that asked I mentioned the Spinnahost company as an alternative. I am willing to publish the entire list publicly if anyone would wish to ask exactly how many I "spammed".

I was given the boot after Lloyd recieved an email from somebody detailing what I was "supposedly" like and a falsified log submitted by a client that had a personal problem with myself back from Maxispace days - it is that, that I wish to be removed unless proof of occurrance can be shown - and since that is a text log, I know is impossible. However if my "guilt" can be proven then I haven't a problem with the REAL truth being told - theres an old saying about beds and lying in them after all.

As for the email, I suppose I had better rectify this allogation as well - it in all truth wasn't sent by me. An old friend didn't like to see me being urinated upon by some kid in australia who NEVER intended to be a real business partner - I am firmly in belief if I had of paid you, I still would have been given the boot without refund, in short I believe you to be a con artist - showed me possibilities of a little satisfaction and at the time of anger it seemed a good idea. Unfortunately nothing has yet to happen to Spinnahost, but I may as well say now that if it does, it's nothing to do with me.

You chose the personal vendetta by believing my ex business partners fabricated email - not me. You are in as much trouble as anyone as without proof, what you have posted is slanderous - I suggest it is removed or proof supplied, else I will have no choice but to extend this "vendetta" into the legal arena.

Anyone who wishes to "slag" me off may do it to my face, it may have been nice to have the opportunity to offer a defence would it not?

Regards
John O'Nions

And for the idiot that cannot read, it has an apostraphe in.

John:
you knew me, you'd know i needed the money to fund my habits<edit> wait there was a 3rd page with the answer on</edit>


And I'm not insane, or power hungry. Just a drug addict and alcoholic.
perhaps goto rehab? It might help. *shrugs*

As for the domains, they are yours if you registered them first. Therefore you have the right to do with them as you please (within the law of course). If you wanted to take those domains and do something else with them then you were free to do so. So unless Neil (if I remember right) had paid you for the usage of those domains, you could do as you wanted.

As for "spamming" the new spinnahost on an msn address, well if that maxispace had died then it would be good practice to tell the customers a good alternative host. I believe thats what most companies do if they shut down, they provide an alternative supplier.

Now I'm not saying you did, but any threats to anyone is just very immature. Unless you had any *real* financial stake in spinnahost or some kind of contract then I would just let it go. It is REALLY worth it? Unless you put money into the business or agreed to work specific hours a week, then I wouldn't expect to get paid. I used to work for a games server company (in my spare time). I knew the owner well and so I was willing to help out. However I never expected to get paid as I had not put any money into the business nor had I said I would work specific hours. In the end he shut it down and he recommended a new provider.

IF that msn log was true then you say you dont want to be a doormat, well go make your own webhost and beat spinnahost at their own game. That way you work for yourself, any money you make is yours and you're not being the doormat to someone else furthering their business on your generous donation of time.

Healthy competition always beats any attacks :)

*sigh*
This ladies and gentlemen is John O'Nions :(

Things like this make me kinda worried about who I enter into a partnership with or even hire.

Lippy my advice would be to go in by yourself. Partners rarely ever work although I am in one with another guy and that has been fine since late 2002. As someone said: Go into partnership with someone you can kick the ass of :P
John I went beyond SpinnaHost's financial boundries in buying a dedicated machine that soon. I should still be on a reseller but you offered to pay half and bring some of your friends to SpinnaHost.
The fact remains I NEVER got 1 cent from you having already paid out close to $300 US in expanding. I am now forced to work 2 part time jobs to try and raise anywhere near enough money to cover the next few months. I now has 34 clients in place of 12 and I am getting emails back today saying they paid.
This comes as a shock considering the SpinnaHost billing area has non of their details in it and the bank account has money from merely two or three.
Sure a closing hosting company should reccomend another company but John was nothing to do with MaxiSpace. That was Neils job not Johns.
John try and get control of yourself. Maybe kicking your habits would be a good start?

Originally posted by Eurofficial
Yeah.....You would think the mods would have it set to be replaced with ****. We have now :angel:

Originally posted by SpinnaHost_L
[And consider yourself dead meat. You want a war you've got one, within just days SpinnaHost's reputation will be even further down the toilet and you can kiss goodbye to any clients you have/may gain because of me. I think the reality is, the world no longer needs you, and believe me in the most mature way possible I will pull your little "empire" to ruins purely for the fun of it.


You had better be watching your back, I've got more friends than you'll ever need enemies - your financial gain won't even begin to make up for what you're gonna lose. You can shove your appreciation up the orifice from which the suns rays do not emerge, nobody ****s me around without good reasoning. You see unfortunately for you, I know exactly what you're upto and you're going to have more than me to worry about. Remember that.
[/B]
This guy doesnt get out much. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by Cobalt
And I'm not insane, or power hungry. Just a drug addict and alcoholic.

Pehaps that may be your problem, you have to admit, being a alcoholic and a druggie is really not a pleasant thing, it hinders your judgment, and makes you moody, dont say I am lieing, because simply reading your posts show massive amounts of sarcasam and anger.

Also, from my judgement, looking at spinnahosts "logs" that you said he fabricated.. they are pretty much right on the mark with the style you talk, they were sarcastic and blunt, just like your other posts.

I think any further context between you AND spinnahost should be kept off this board, no?

I hope you both resolve this, obviously your both decent businessmen that have to sort out a few issues, and MOVE ON.

Lloyd - who did, always did and still does own the Maxispace name? I rest my case at your statement claiming I had no right to be involved whatsoever - as stated by someone with a few braincells previously, he wanted them he could have bought the domains from me and that be the end of that.

I want a lecture I'll see a councillor - and for any of you that took that one too seriously, I would have thought that the evident large amount of sarcasm I show would have given you the inclination that maybe I was being sarcastic about drugs and alcohol abuse? Well, I was about the former at any rate.

And yes Lloyd, this is John O'Nions - and for the whole Spinnahost/Me thing should be kept off the boards check out who started the topic and fabricated "logs".

Finally I will take this time out to thank Lloyd, that through "firing" (if thats the right way to put it) me I have been offered a much better deal with all the papers and a much more professional set up - cheers bud, I owe you that one.

Any more abuse/lies, feel free to email me - PM me you want my email address, I'll be happy to straighten some of the allogations presented previously. Or send you a bunch of four letter words. The choice is yours.

John

Oh, one last thing:

[12:24:09] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: I'm going to rape your mother
[12:24:26] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: Then your dog
[12:25:03] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: Then I kill you
[12:26:42] SpinnaWeb/Host/Skins :: Lloyd :: www.spinnahost.com: And all your family

Still believe everything denoted a log?

Originally posted by thehostworks

I hope you both resolve this, obviously your both decent businessmen that have to sort out a few issues, and MOVE ON.

What did I miss? :D

Simon

There is a difference between making 4 lines of logs and a page. As anyone can hopefully see that is not my style of writing and has been fabricated. The above logs posted by me, as mentioned by someone above, match his writing style.

I am more than ready to move on. I have gotten the word out about this person and warned who I can. I have also with your help made sure I am the only one with root access.

Thank you everyone who has replied to this topic and helped me on AIM/MSN. Moderators please feel free to close this topic :)

LLOYD
SpinnaHost

Originally posted by SpinnaHost_L
. . . . . Moderators please feel free to close this topic . . . Closed by request of the thread starter.