Cobalt Racks completed the first stage of our UU.net connection last month and talks are underway now to upgrade to full OC12 when needed.Following our upgrades we are now useing less than 2% of our available bandwith. As a result we are makeing our AUP more accepting to content that we once band do to high bandwith use. This includes legal adult hosting.

Also you can traceroute from the core of the cobaltracks network with this link. Please compare our network and our prices :-)
http://www.cobaltrack.com/cgi-bin/nph-traceroute.cgi

Sam
http://www.cobaltracks.com

Sorry to hear that. I was considering CobaltRacks for a dedicated server - until I noticed that their larger pipe now allows then to accept adult sites. With a career in education, I cannot condone porn on the Internet.

Goodbye CobaltRacks; make sure to supervise your own children well as they surf the 'Net.

C'ya...

Crabby

I fully understand.... :-( It wasn't a decsion that I liked either.... We only made it after many many requests and also I'd like to hear mroe opinions like yours. This list is a good sample of the web-hosting world what is this your general opinion? Should a host carry adult sires? Not from an economic standpoint but from an ethical one.

Sam

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any response If I sent ya an offer or are you hard on pricing ??
I am not sure about the hurricane thing or the Texas place I thought it might be in a safe place
anybody know any info ????

I am kinda thinking nowhere is safe anyway ;)

I think being able to host adult sites just improves on business, you can't expect that adult sites will just disapear off the internet, its not going to happen... ever... its like nudity being gone from TV

Originally posted by Crabby

Goodbye CobaltRacks; make sure to supervise your own children well as they surf the 'Net.

C'ya...

Crabby

Maybe you have to educate your childrens if you don't want that they see porn in the net.
Cobaltracks isn't it their tutor or parent.
Maybe you can leave to the people see what they want (of course, legal things) and keep the limits for your own childrens

We dont host pornographic sites because they use way to many resources! :bawling: 98% of all images viewed over the web are pornographic! :D
Just a little trivia on pornography! :blush:

Hi, this indeed is a great occasion, cobaltracks is the first host i ever signed up with.

The performance was worse than hopeless and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, BUT

I cancelled and was refunded ALL monies instantly, it didnt cost me anything, it was like a free trial with them, lol

So, we have a network upgrade some time ago and i hear reports that the network performance is great, its good to hear that a host takes notice of their customers and message boards and decides to do something about it to improve the situation.

CobaltRack by the looks of things you are an example to follow for others out there that are currently in your situation.

smoats: I have sent you a private message :)

Example to follow?? Have you been out of town??

It's good to see a company trying to improve it's services.

I at one point looked into Cobaltracks for a server, and I did find that they responded quickly to e-mails.

Originally posted by Chris
you can't expect that adult sites will just disapear off the internet, its not going to happen... ever... its like nudity being gone from TV

I think you'd have a better chance of getting rid of nudity on TV than porn off the net. TV is much more centralized and regulated, while with the net it would be impossible due to the worldwide nature of it.

Originally posted by Jedito


Maybe you have to educate your childrens if you don't want that they see porn in the net.
Cobaltracks isn't it their tutor or parent.
Maybe you can leave to the people see what they want (of course, legal things) and keep the limits for your own childrens

I feel that this was a little strong. He never suggested censorship of any sort. He only suggested that his own personal and moral convictions would not allow him clear conscience to use a service that allowed adult content. I don't think the insinuation that he did not educate his children properly was justified. He simply voiced his opinion about the new policy, and he did not attack anybody personally.

How could he justifiably teach those limits to his children if he was actively doing business with someone who violated those limits? Some might think that is a stretch in moral coviction, but it is his stretch and he has a right to it.

No, this was not strong, I perfectly agree with Jedito.

Of course Crabby suggested censorship, how else should I understand his declaration that he dislikes the decision of CobaltRack to offer _legal_ adult hosting?

Not working with adult hosts is one thing, it's up to everyone to know for himself. But why this reply to an adult hosting advertising? Obviously Crabby cares about what other people do as well. Why? Either because he suggests to boycot such hosts which is a suggestion of censorship. Or maybe Crabby just wants to show off the perfect morals of a good american puritan educator?

Originally posted by Marty


I feel that this was a little strong. He never suggested censorship of any sort. He only suggested that his own personal and moral convictions would not allow him clear conscience to use a service that allowed adult content. I don't think the insinuation that he did not educate his children properly was justified. He simply voiced his opinion about the new policy, and he did not attack anybody personally.

How could he justifiably teach those limits to his children if he was actively doing business with someone who violated those limits? Some might think that is a stretch in moral coviction, but it is his stretch and he has a right to it.
Are you sure that you read Crabby's message???

what do you think that he mean with
Originally posted by Crabby

Goodbye CobaltRacks; make sure to supervise your own children well as they surf the 'Net.

That's not a ironic way to say something like he don't want porn in the net? That porn must be censored?

Well.. I undestand that he want to say that.. if so, I don't think that he must take care of all the world. If he don't want to leave to his childrens see porn.. well educate it. I dont mean that his child are bad-mannered.

I just only want to say with that: leave to all the rest to see what they want, and if you don't want to watch porn.. DON'T DO IT, Period.

What I find ironic is that the original poster read crabby's post and said "I fully understand" and then went on to say that he would LIKE to hear other opinions along the same line.

I read Crabby's message about supervising your children to mean just that - There is a lot of stuff freely available on the net and if you don't want your children exposed to it then supervise them. I find that to be pretty good advice.

I would note that Crabby never once suggested that CobaltRacks should not take on legal adult content, but simply expressed his contention that he would not host with them if they did. Nothing wrong with that. It is his perogative to make that choice and his perogative to state that choice.

Why that reply to an adult host advertising? Because, as he stated, he was about to become a customer of that host, and the change in AUP was such that he would no longer choose to do so.

Yes, he could have made that decision and kept it to himself, but he chose express his dissapointment in the change.

I would propose that if Cobaltracks had announced that due to the excess bandwidth that they now had available they were going to offer unlimited bandwidth accounts, and Crabby had protested, nobody would have suggested that Crabby should have kept his mouth shut then. As much as I detest unlimited bandwidth offers, it is apparently legal to make such offers just as adult hosting is legal. Not a perfect analogy, but it will make the point.

Originally posted by Marty
What I find ironic is that the original poster read crabby's post and said "I fully understand" and then went on to say that he would LIKE to hear other opinions along the same line.

I read Crabby's message about supervising your children to mean just that - There is a lot of stuff freely available on the net and if you don't want your children exposed to it then supervise them. I find that to be pretty good advice.

Myabe I misundestand a pretty good intentioned advise with a ironic censor suggest :rolleyes:


I would note that Crabby never once suggested that CobaltRacks should not take on legal adult content, but simply expressed his contention that he would not host with them if they did. Nothing wrong with that. It is his perogative to make that choice and his perogative to state that choice.

Why that reply to an adult host advertising? Because, as he stated, he was about to become a customer of that host, and the change in AUP was such that he would no longer choose to do so.

Yes, he could have made that decision and kept it to himself, but he chose express his dissapointment in the change.

I would propose that if Cobaltracks had announced that due to the excess bandwidth that they now had available they were going to offer unlimited bandwidth accounts, and Crabby had protested, nobody would have suggested that Crabby should have kept his mouth shut then. As much as I detest unlimited bandwidth offers, it is apparently legal to make such offers just as adult hosting is legal. Not a perfect analogy, but it will make the point.

There is not such thing as unlimited bandwidth, and theres is such thing as legal adult content. I don't find the point here. But maybe is just me, because I tend to misundestand everything.

Best Regards

Originally posted by Marty
As much as I detest unlimited bandwidth offers, it is apparently legal to make such offers just as adult hosting is legal. Not a perfect analogy, but it will make the point.
I don't think so.

Unlimited offers are a scam and that's why public critics are perfectly ok.

Adult hosting isn't a scam, it's just a personal choice and that's why here public critics have something arrogant.

You say he just expressed his personal contempt for adult hosts, but expressing them in public is still a form of criticizing, IMHO.

Originally posted by astra4
You say he just expressed his personal contempt for adult hosts, but expressing them in public is still a form of criticizing, IMHO.

My last word. Reread my post. I did not say that he expressed contempt for adult hosts. I said he expressed his conviction not to host with someone who allows adult hosting on their network. There is huge difference between contempt for the host and contempt for a practice.

Well, ive got a review to post about Cobalt Rack, ill post it tomorrow once i get time to play with it a little, but lets just say.

ive had time to check them out a little, and they look FAR better than they used to !

Adult Hosting: hey, hes just the host, he gives people servers, its upto his clients if they host adult material, what are you trying to say, Public Bars should be closed now since theyre obviously unacceptable to children and one may slip by?
Its upto YOU the parent to take the appropriate measures to protect your children from the internet, hell the software is out there, net nanny, if you feel so strongly then go use it!

almost EVERY host offers adult material on dedicated servers, people pay for the bandwidth, the server, as long as its legal a host doesnt care what they do with it !!, lol

im off to bed !!

please no start a new thread out of the advertising forum if you wish to continue this conversation, as this thread should be questions directly related to the offer Cobalt Rack has put on the table.

Thankyou for your patience

Good Night :cool:

I'm with you all the way,

I was going to go with exodus, but I heard their employees smoke and drink.. thats wrong. They should be fined and banned from the datacenters.


Good thing I didn't go with them.

heeeheee!

Originally posted by Marty
My last word. Reread my post.I did.
I did not say that he expressed contempt for adult hosts. I said he expressed his conviction not to host with someone who allows adult hosting on their network.Both are the same: Expressing conviction not to host with someone who allows adult content is an expression of content for adult hosts.There is huge difference between contempt for the host and contempt for a practice.I said he expressed content for adult hostS (plural) by which I mean the type of host with this business practice.

Originally posted by astra4

....

Unlimited offers are a scam and that's why public critics are perfectly ok.

.... IMHO.

I have had unlimited bandwidth from simplenet.com since 1995. They were bought out by Yahoo!, but I was grandfathered and still have unlimited bandwidth. I ususally use less than 1GB of bandwidth a month, but when I do advertising campaigns I sometimes use more than 2GB. I've never had a notification or billing for using too much bandwidth. $24.95 a month, and have always gotten great technical support (although Yahoo! has cut back the hours).

I don't personally like Yahoo's invasiveness and what I concider invasion of privacy on the Internet, but as long as I can keep my grandfathered account with little loss of features and function I will stay with them. I have never felt scammed.

New Topic
I am opposed to porn on the 'Net and refuse to do business with businesses that support porn sites, but I must admit that it is generally hard to tell who is hosting what. AUP's may just be lip service.

Example:
I am actively seeking a reseller program to host my many sites as well as to cater to my clientile, which is the over 50 crowd. I can't "afford" to sell them space and then discover that the server has been blackholed for spam.

I located a program that I thought was very competitive and signed up. Since I have unlimited E-mail addresses I almost always use a distinctive E-mail address when I give one out over the Internet. This allows me to locate the source of spam. Well after signing up with this "too good to be true" webhost, I started receiving porn spam in less than 2 weeks to that distictive address. The only people with that address was my new hosting service.

So, did the hosting service spam me or the did the server farm cull the E-mail address?

1) How can a person trust a reseller or the server farm?
2) What would have happened if I had started collecting credit card numbers through my "new host"?
3) How can I make certain that E-mail addresses are not being culled when my customers write to me?

Since E-mail addresses are like money in the bank, I am starting to wonder if it is too much of a temptation to inexpensive hosts knowing that there are thousands of E-mail addresses available on each business server they host. Perhaps the tech on duty is doing a little moonlighting? Who really knows for certain?

I really think these fantastic hosting deals are being set up to allow the culling of at least E-mail names and possibly credit card details.

Any thoughts please.

Regards,
~slips