http://www.theforumhost.com/ :angry:

What? 200 gig for $54.95 a month? sounds reasonable to me as it's semi dedicated.

that is nothing compare to 6GB/600 Gig for $46.00/month

http://www.iicinternet.com/web_hosting_services.php

Hey, maybe the owner has a close relationship with at&t? *laffs*

If they can offer it y not take the bandwidth and use it then we will know if it is true or not :)

Originally posted by VNPIXEL
that is nothing compare to 6GB/600 Gig for $46.00/month

http://www.iicinternet.com/web_hosting_services.php

How much does your average :P OC-192 cost?

Based on that rate plan.. they could support over 5000 customers pushing out that 600GB on a steady basis ( ie about 2Mb/s (as opposed to spiking alll 600GB through as quickly as possible only during peak times)) and have a income of around $231,334/mo

So... if your average :P OC-192 runs more then $231,334/mo theyd of course be loosing money... but if not... then well... not even accounting for overselling... it's still highly feasable that it could be realistic.

Lightwave, they do not own the OC-192. Their servers have access to it and they are billed for usage.

Yeah, well that's significantly different then...

However the wording on their website (like most) tries to make the buyer belive it's more their own network infrastructure rather then someone elses their relying on.

"OC192 high speed backbone connection

We have enough capacity to run even the busiest web sites. Our OC192 backbone is a super high speed, fiberoptic Internet connection that IIC has connected to its servers."

My point was simply.. that someone owning their own OC-192 backbone network and wanting to do webhosting could easily do it at the 6/60 rate and be profitable... (not that they would)

Lightwave, you also didn't work the cost of the computers or support staff into that equasion. How many computers does it take for 5000 people all running 600GB.

Anyone doing hosting at these prices are almost for sure not gonna own their own (large) pipes, they might have a cogent or other connect of their own but someone with an OC-anything is gonna have more than just their pipe to pay for and they're not gonna cater to the cheap of the cheap hosting.

It also NOTHING as compared to RS $99 for 700GB ;)

Its reasonable to me :D He probably makes less profit though

Yeah was gonna say, on a RS $99 server with 700G sell 4 of these plans (overselling by 100 gigs but that should be pretty safe) and you could actually make a buck.

4 clients per machine should mean pretty low impact tech support per server and about $100 per server per month, 20 full servers (80 customers) and you're making a living and shouldn't be eaten alive by supporting 80 people. At least that's what you'd think.

However it likely wouldn't work.

A site that TRULY uses nearly 200G a month will usually bring a server to its knees all by itself, much less with 3 more sites to help it out killing the system. So you'd likely end up with overloaded servers trying to run 2 or 3 hugeass forums and pissed off customers.

My rule of thumb still applies, $1 per gig per month.

One word. Semidedicated

Originally posted by blue27
Lightwave, you also didn't work the cost of the computers or support staff into that equasion. How many computers does it take for 5000 people all running 600GB.
Well, support staff is quite cheap: there's only one guy on-call, in case of massive failure. If you create a support ticket it will be taken care of during business hours.
They are hooked to a Cogent feed in the Garland building. They used to offer Level3 (hence the OC-192 claim) but apparently not anymore (not entirely sure though).
What I find puzzling though is that the Cogent feed was supposed to be terminated but I still see it there.

I wonder what the national providers pay for 1megabit. I know prices on the bulk side of things tend to drop pretty low but how much does an international carrier, say AT&T, C&W, or MCI pay per megabit on their network. I guess they would take their full backbone capacity and divide it by the total cost of ownership to come up with a rough figure.

I've worked for several ISP companies and just want to know what the price relationship between Tier1s and regular US-based ISPs is.

Can we say "OVERSELLING". This is becoming more and more of a common practice today, as a HUGE chunk of hosts are overselling.

Selecting a web host should no longer be based on bandwidth/disk space anymore, as every host now days offers an adequat enough for almost any type of user. Selecting a web host today should be based on support, reputation, credibility, and their company goals (Another overnight host ....)

EDIT: I posted this in the wrong spot, LOL, oh well guess its pertinent to this topic anyway :)

It should also be pointed out that not even the largest carriers sell OC-192 as a data connection. OC-192 is the backbone fiber connection that telephone carriers use as their entire backbone for an area. Off of that OC-192 they will sell Anything from DS1's to OC48's to individual customers. To my knowledge, there are not even routers or any other "DATA" equipment that will handle OC-192.

Cogent's backbone (one of, if not the largest), is OC-192.

What does "OC - (number)" stands for?

Optical Carrier Level Data Rate
OC-1 51.84 Mbps
OC-3 155.52 Mbps
OC-12 622.08 Mbps
OC-24 1.244 Gbps
OC-48 2.488 Gbps
OC-192 10 Gbps
OC-256 13.271 Gbps
OC-768 40 Gbps

Originally posted by sync
I wonder what the national providers pay for 1megabit. I know prices on the bulk side of things tend to drop pretty low but how much does an international carrier, say AT&T, C&W, or MCI pay per megabit on their network. I guess they would take their full backbone capacity and divide it by the total cost of ownership to come up with a rough figure.

I've worked for several ISP companies and just want to know what the price relationship between Tier1s and regular US-based ISPs is.

I can speak for ATT it depends on how many you have if you just order 1 t1 line it will be in the 900-1.2k range however if you have multiple lines you can get the price down to 190 a month depending on how much business you give them.

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and is the forumhost down or something 2 minutes and page is still loading ?

and yes I would say those prices are to good to be true.

Name Server: NS1.THEFORUMHOST.COM NS2.THEFORUMHOST.COM
ICANN Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Created: 04-may-2003
Expires: 04-may-2004
Status: ACTIVE


See if they are around in another 6months-year

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Can u use

http://www.iicinternet.com/web_hosting_services.php

for creating a hosting company instead of a dedicated

Originally posted by dandanfirema
It should also be pointed out that not even the largest carriers sell OC-192 as a data connection. OC-192 is the backbone fiber connection that telephone carriers use as their entire backbone for an area. Off of that OC-192 they will sell Anything from DS1's to OC48's to individual customers. To my knowledge, there are not even routers or any other "DATA" equipment that will handle OC-192.

Juniper routers will route a full OC-192 at line rate. A Cisco GSR with the right line cards might do it, at 10x the price and with some animal sacrifices.

But in essence you're right - no one sells OC-192 as end-point connectivity. It's used for metro circuits in extremely busy areas. Or to bundle smaller links on long hauls.

There are at least three backbones which will quote pricing for OC-48 transit.

Kevin

Originally posted by d2dexter
Can u use

http://www.iicinternet.com/web_hosting_services.php

for creating a hosting company instead of a dedicated
What you are looking for is a reseller plan; this pages lists end-user plans, so that wouldn't cut it.

-Chris.

Thats nothing! i can offer you unlimited bandwidth! yes... for 5$ a month you get unlimited bandwidth on my dsl... ph34r 128kbit/sec upload!

Originally posted by VNPIXEL
that is nothing compare to 6GB/600 Gig for $46.00/month

http://www.iicinternet.com/web_hosting_services.php

I stopped counting the number of lies and misleading data on there site.

This plan killed me:

High Traffic 6GB 1000 Gig NONE 1 Mo $99.00 $99.00

It is called "High Traffic". Compared to their "low Traffic" plans. :emlaugh:

Originally posted by cyansmoker
Lightwave, they do not own the OC-192. Their servers have access to it and they are billed for usage.

This is incorrect. I cannot think of a single datacenter with direct access to a lit OC-192. Not AT&T or MCI/UUNet. Cogent's is just their core backbone. Its drops are smaller into DC's.

Originally posted by debug
http://www.theforumhost.com/ :angry:

Our customers will disagree with you there ;) Thanks for the free advertising though, Our site is getting over 300 hits a day with this threads id as the refer.. Thanks for all those sign ups too ;)

Most users ever online was 20, 06-18-2003 at 11:40 PM.

Those 300 hits a day must be well spread out.

300 hits from 5-6 unique visitors maybe? ;)

" Most users ever online was 20, 06-18-2003 at 3:40 PM." We actully get a good share of traffic.. things look bare right now as we are upgrading to vB3...

so enough trolling....

We bring the traffic...

Originally posted by TheForumHost
Our customers will disagree with you there ;) Thanks for the free advertising though, Our site is getting over 300 hits a day with this threads id as the refer.. Thanks for all those sign ups too ;)

That is nice however you have only had 180 views to this current date on your plans.

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Originally posted by UmBillyCord
This is incorrect. I cannot think of a single datacenter with direct access to a lit OC-192. Not AT&T or MCI/UUNet. Cogent's is just their core backbone. Its drops are smaller into DC's. Dude, all I wrote is that they have access to it, which is far from saying they are directly hooked to it.
Actually the DC is carrier-neutral.

Originally posted by Winkie
What? 200 gig for $54.95 a month? sounds reasonable to me as it's semi dedicated.

If their customers come from the world wide, it could perform well.:cool:

Originally posted by cyansmoker
Dude, all I wrote is that they have access to it, which is far from saying they are directly hooked to it.
Actually the DC is carrier-neutral.

I have access to I-90 but I don't write that I live on it, do I?

Kevin