I'm not sure this is the right forum to post but i'll give it a shot.

I am looking for an host for my site, wich is in need of some large amount of bandwidth.
I was thinking of colocating a server in a large noc, although i would need something like a T3 connection dedicated, i like to ask howmuch that would cost.

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by x-RaY99
although i would need something like a T3 connection dedicated

Are you saying that your site uses 10000 GB transfer per month?

What is the URL?

Very few sites need a dedicated T3. A T3 is 45 Mbps (5.6 MB/s), which amounts to around 14.7 TB (14,782,500 GB) of transfer per month. :eek: Most NOCs just have a few T3s for every server in their facilities!!

Are you sure you don't just want the burstable bandwidth of a T3? You really need a dedicated T3? You'll have to pay some big bucks to get one!!

That is some serious bandwidth.... what in the heck, does your site deal in?

It deals with alot of pictures and videos, wich realy need that kind of connection, so i am asking what price should i expect to be reasonable.
I heard $13,000 as an offer to high? good?

Thanks for replying

It depends what kind of connection you want.

UUnet has a special for a T3 for 6k

Cable and wireless has a T3 for about 12k

Yipes does mbps could run you 400-800 per mb depending on how much you buy.

Hopefully that helps

$13,000 for what? How much bandwidth exactly? 1000GB? 20mbps? No one can tell you if $13,000 is a good price for "a lot" of bandwidth.

Since i talked and asked for a price on a T3, that $13,000 reflects to that, 45Mbit dedicated.
In other words about 14 TB of traffic.

-Ray

Originally posted by JBIZ718
UUnet has a special for a T3 for 6k


A T3 is a very vague term. I've seen T3s that come with only 3mbps of bandwidth, up to a full 45mbps. I'm sure you could run 1.5mbps of bandwidth over a T3, in essence having the same amount of bandwidth as a T1! So it all really depends on how much bandwidth the T3 comes with.

Originally posted by x-RaY99
Since i talked and asked for a price on a T3, that $13,000 reflects to that, 45Mbit dedicated.
In other words about 14 TB of traffic.


$13k is cheap for a full T3. Very cheap. Almost too cheap, maybe.

I'm thinking you'd need more than one server to handle that kind of traffic, though.

Those are all fully dedicated T3 lines.

You get 45mbps with all those listed except Yipes.

Joe

I think i will contact UUnet than some time heh.

Thanks for replying.

A full T3 from UUNet for $6/mo?!

Errr...

Something's not right with that at all.

Where did you see this?

Well in our process for finishing our business plan for our investors we have contacted many carriers that are in the datacenter we would like to use.

UUnet called me on Thursday, and told me about there latest special.

It is a full T3 for 6k a month..

Not to advertise for them they also mentioned to me about 40% discounts on Cisco equipment.

JOe

Originally posted by JBIZ718
It depends what kind of connection you want.

UUnet has a special for a T3 for 6k


what !?! 6k , can you please provide us with more info.

thanks.

Hmmm... I'd be very surprised, but I'll take your word for it.

Did you get anything in writing from them on it?

Reason I'm so surprised is a UUNet T3 starts at $6k for 3mbps of bandwidth. There's a HUGE difference between that and 45mbps of bandwidth.

I recommend RotoData.com.

They also have this on their main page: RotoDATA.com
NewsCenter

:: 40% to 50% off T3/DS3 connectivity through July 31, 2001.
For details on this event, contact our sales department at sales@rotodata.com

:: 42% off all Cisco orders through 6/30/2001

So 6K could be true.

I have a SLA from UUnet but I can call tommorow and get something in writing.

Joe

Well but I think we are all forgetting about x-RaY99 in the midst of all of this, he sounds like he needs a co-location facility not a T3 ran directly to his house. So a T3 from UUnet wouldn't do him much good in the way of redundancy or management and extra expenses that come with a T3, not to meantion the lengthy contract, i'd assume that the T3 from uunet would come with a 3 year contract to get that special..... and does that include the local loop charges etc?

Just gotta remember there's a big difference in co-location and getting your own line :)

Also, i don't know of many servers that by themsevles can push/handle 45mbps worth of transfer a month, you'd either spend out the wazoo for a Solaris multi processor system or load balance between either a lot of smaller systems or a few large dual cpu systems......

That would be one hell of a box to handle all that bandwidth. So a small web farm would be more than likely needed.

As far as colo providers that can that much bandwidth.

http://www.above.net/
http://www.exodus.com/
http://www.verio.com/
http://www.uu.net/
http://www.level3.com/

And there are many others....

$6,000.00 for a UUNet/MCI/Worldcom DS3?......not gonna happen.

try:
$29750.00 - 1 year term
$28000.00 - 2 year term
$26250.00 - 3 year term
(45mbps DS3 connection)
This didn't even include the local loop, which wll run another $3500-5000 per month...
nor does it include router costs...(cisco = $20,000+)

(These are prices they sent us in January 2001 when we priced a line from them...it has dropped since that time, but probably not too much. These were the prices they sent us, before we would have begun negotiations...regardless, we laughed when we got their fax...because that is waaay to much for DS3 access these days. The bad thing about UUnet is they will not negotiate that much...they say "we are better" and refuse to offer you any deals....so we opted against them and went with providers that actually want your business...)

Some good info can be found here:
http://www.boardwatch.com/isp/bb/Worldcom.htm

What I think the gentleman above was referring to is:
45 Mbps T-3 FRACTIONAL LEASED LINE ACCESS
Setup: $6,000
Monthly: $6,000/ 3 Mbps
Also does not include the huge local loop fees....nor router costs.


The best pricing you will find these days from one of the main providers will be probably from Sprint or AT&T...with Cable & Wireless not far behind...Qwest is reasonable but they have to many problems. We didn't check Level 3 pricing, because they were not available in NE PA.

Regardless, if we were to sell a 45mbps in our facility we could go as low as approx $16000.00 per month...not including rackspace, etc....so that is probably right on target for what you would pay for most smaller NOCs that want your business (the bandwidth costs them ATLEAST that much...probably more)...the huge players like Exodus, Digex, etc....probably would want 2-3 times that much...even though the bandwidth costs them less due to their OC3+ connections...

Sean R.
BurstNET

You can smack down uunet a little bit more than that. I was able to smack them down to $10575. :D

<< You can smack down uunet a little bit more than that. I was able to smack them down to $10575. >>

Jay, You are telling me you got pricing for UUnet/MCI/Worldcom DS3 including local loop to your facility for $10575.00??? That seems a little far fetched....Even AT&T will charge $15,000-$16000.00 minimum for this..and everyone knows they are less expensive than UUnet...

?

The only thing I can think of is that this was for a line from NAC next door to you...off their bandwidth, which would be cheaper, and which also avoids the local loop fees...

what's the deal?

Sean R.
BurstNET

We are bringing in our own BW, in my search for BW, I was able to get uunet down to 10.575 for the BW alone, and the local loop is another story, which I am still working on. We currently have a ethernet connection to nac, to our own 7206 router. But I have that price from UUNet solid and available to me at any time. But the only thing is it is a FULL DS3 and buying a full ds3 will not give me room for diversity, with other providers.

Hey,

I can almost promise that you can get a full t3 from UUnet for 6k. Obviously not including there local loop charges, but That is what i was told.

It is a special till the end of this month

Cable and Wireless was at 12k on last quote and Yipes just quotes me 12k and with yipes there are no local loop charges



Joe

Give me the sales rep that can do it, and I will buy it on monday.

Do you mean a FULL DS3 or what sean said

Some good info can be found here:
http://www.boardwatch.com/isp/bb/Worldcom.htm

What I think the gentleman above was referring to is:
45 Mbps T-3 FRACTIONAL LEASED LINE ACCESS
Setup: $6,000
Monthly: $6,000/ 3 Mbps

??

Jason

From what I was told is a FULL T3 Line, Dedicated 45mbps for 6k.

Thats what I was told on Thursday.

I will call tommorow and find out, when I have the info in front of me

Joe

If that is true, message me on icq, and I will buy it rigth there and then. What office are you calling of UUnet.

WorldCom
Emerging Markets

Phone #?

That i dont have, im not at my office PC

I can get it to you first thing tommorow

I was thinking, efreeservers has a 10,000GB deal for $7000 if i colocate a server there what kind of machine am i talking for then.

Like, a Dual PIII with 2GB of ram and 2 SCSI hardisks, that wouldn't do the trick would it? Although i don't understand it because it has a 100Mbit network card and that line will put sumething like 35Mbit trough...
Can someone explain that?

Thanks

Well, I suppose if it was like a 50gig file and you wanted to transfer it from point A to point B sure it'd hit 45mbit no problem.

But your talking about a site / sites that would be literally getting hundreds of millions of hits to generate a full T3 worth of traffic. Considering one fully laden porn server can do about 5-7mbps i'd say you'd need at LEAST 5 Dual P3 1ghz 2gb ram machines with a RAID Scsi Setup using a good cluster technology so they act as one system to be able to handle such a site. Of course I'm just guessing from previous experience with high bandwidth servers , it all depends on the site, software OS and a whole boatload of other things.

Easily 15-20 grand or more worth of server hardware.

Originally posted by x-RaY99
Like, a Dual PIII with 2GB of ram and 2 SCSI hardisks, that wouldn't do the trick would it? Although i don't understand it because it has a 100Mbit network card and that line will put sumething like 35Mbit trough... Can someone explain that?

Your problem won't be with the network connection. It'll be with the actual server itself. The load from transferring that kind of bandwidth would probably crash it pretty quickly. Like Daniel said, you'll probably need to work out some type of multi-server setup. Then hook all the servers up to a switch and have your connection go into there.

Originally posted by JBIZ718
From what I was told is a FULL T3 Line, Dedicated 45mbps for 6k.

Thats what I was told on Thursday.

I will call tommorow and find out, when I have the info in front of me


I'm very interested as well. It'll be interesting to see what they say today.

*checks his piggybank*

As mentioned in my previous post to this thread, we are also interested b/c we are going to be switching to facilities based hosting soon.

Thanks.

I have supplied a few people with this info.

I will not put my contact on a public forum.

Jay can agree the reality of this.

If you want this info, just email me or PM here.

Joe

i just pm'd you joe :)

hi, is DS3 the same as T3?

If you moved this to the advertising forum, providers could directly reply with offers....

UUnet DS3 for $6,000??? Show me where to sign. :)

Regards,

yes, basically.

The info is legit.

Joe is correct.

I take a Bow ,

I would like to thank all of the people that made this happen, the producer, the writers and well anyone else.

UUnet yes thanks you too.

Good luck all...

Joe

Thanks Joe, i will let my brother know...

as what it stands right now, my brother told me a few days ago that we will getting our line with @home.

I suggested you all to look at http://www.dialtoneinternet.net

Instead of their co-location service, there was a dedicated service with IBM xservers, with either Linux OS or Windows 2000 OS.
and they have 24 hours server monitoring :):)

above.net is good, and also verio.com, but I think The Best is in The Industry is http://www.dialtoneinternet.net

You can contact clara@dialtoneinternet.net for any information..:):)

Regards
Adhytia Wisnu Sasmita
http://www.judistira.com

Actually, joe/uunet were misleading, after further looking into it, it isn't 6k for a full ds3 only partial. The UUNet rep I spoke to, I had to beat it out of him.

Originally posted by jayglate
Actually, joe/uunet were misleading, after further looking into it, it isn't 6k for a full ds3 only partial. The UUNet rep I spoke to, I had to beat it out of him.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. A shame, though, it would have been a great deal.

Just out of curiosity, how big of a partial DS3?

I think like 6 megs. or something, I don't remember.

In response to Jay, I asked the rep about 100 times if it was a dedicated PIPE of 45mbps.

I was relaying information that I was told from them.

Even the rep told jay the same thing, that it was a dedicated pipe of 45mbps.

I have already called and left a message saying that I wasnt happy that they lied about the facts.

Joe

my brother told me 9-12 megs that is what the rep told him.

It might be cheaper to to just pay for space & power at a carrier-neutral facility and buy your own bandwidth. Colo providers have to have a certain markup or go under.....;)

Originally posted by JBIZ718
Well in our process for finishing our business plan for our investors we have contacted many carriers that are in the datacenter we would like to use.

UUnet called me on Thursday, and told me about there latest special.

It is a full T3 for 6k a month..

Not to advertise for them they also mentioned to me about 40% discounts on Cisco equipment.

JOe

Who is your sales rep?