Does anyone here have a server at EFS? IIf i am right, their BSD Server @ http://freebsd.efreeservers.com/ doesn't comes with Perl, PHP, mySQL, etc. right?

:crap: :eek2:

From their web site

Features: mySQL, PHP4, InterBase 6 SQL Database, ChiliSoft ASP, Apache 2.0 web server, IIS 5.0, Webalizer 2.0, Perl scripting, CGI, FrontPage 2000 Extensions, 128-bit SSL (including RSA), Plesk Server Administrator 1.3.1, SMTP, IMAP4, POP3, APOP, FTP (anonymous).

I don't know if it's included in all their servers though.

I dont think it is :( Since they don't mention it at http://freebsd.efreeservers.com/

You're right, they don't mention it in this page. But they do mention it in their products page where they list all their servers :confused:

Features: mySQL, PHP4, InterBase 6 SQL Database, ChiliSoft ASP, Apache 2.0 web server, IIS 5.0, Webalizer 2.0, Perl scripting, CGI, FrontPage 2000 Extensions, 128-bit SSL (including RSA), Plesk Server Administrator 1.3.1, SMTP, IMAP4, POP3, APOP, FTP (anonymous).

Those are probably all the features of all servers (Raq, Dell, BSD, etc.) together ...since i don't see how you could get IIS 5.0 onto BSD :D

Right, but these servers got me interested. I send them an email asking them a few questions, i''l tell you the exact answer :)

I've sent them an eMail too a few minutes ago. But since its Sunday ...

Yeah, we'll most likely get the answer tomorrow.

I ordered a Cobalt Raq 4r from them last week. It will be up and runing by Thursday. They offer phone support from 11am EST to 11pm EST and most of the time, you can get them on the phone. Don' t hesitate to call them.

Just my two cents.

They are a pleasure to deal with.

Hm, i didn't know that. Thanks :) I'll call them right now :D

Okay, i got an update on this:

Q: Does the BSD server come with PHP, Perl, mySQL fully installed?

A: No, our iXtreme server only comes with FreeBSD 4.2. You'll need to install all software yourself. We can also do it for you, but there will be a professional service fee of $200.00 per task.

I will install those for you for $20 per task ;)

I just got the answer too. In case you would like to know the answer to a question i already asked :)

Q1) Is there a set-up fee?

A1) No.

Q2) Is there an additional cost if i choose a IIS5 (windows) box?

A2) The IIS 5.0 comes with the Dell W2K server. There is a minimum of $299.00 per month (with 200GB) for each server.

Q3) Is PHP4, ChiliSoftASP, MySQL, Perl, etc pre-installed on the *NIX servers and is PHP4, MsSQL, Perl, etc installed on the W2K boxes?

A3) Only the Cobalt RaQ 4r comes with ChiliSoft ASP, Perl, and PHP pre-installed. These software are not part of the W2K server. MySQL is considered a third-party software so you'll need to install it yourself after getting the server. We can also install MySQL for you, but there will be an additional fee of $200.00 per task.

Q4) Will you still offer free servers in september/october?

A4) Yes. We'll be around for a long time.

Q5) Is there a maximum (let's say i would get a windows and freebsd or linux)?

A5) There's no limit on the quantity of servers for each account/customer, but you'll need to pay a mininum monthly fee of $299.00

Sounds good so far :)

It seems the 20 month contract is the biggest thing w/ them. Which is a little weird, since it seems efreeservers has only been around ~4 months.

They seem very professional ...which is the impressoin i had when i talked to them on the phone. But $200 is a bit too muchjust for a PHP4 install :(

Originally posted by Kiwi
They seem very professional ...which is the impressoin i had when i talked to them on the phone. But $200 is a bit too muchjust for a PHP4 install :(

Ehem, you saw me mentioning that I will do it for $20 right?

We use FreeBSD on our servers, and I have installed those things a lot of times. I even have them installed on my home gateway/firewall box (FreeBSD).

Originally posted by zolbian
Ehem, you saw me mentioning that I will do it for $20 right?

Yup, saw that ;)

This was also part of the eMail i got from them:

We recommend the Cobalt RaQ 4r. It comes pre-installed with a suite of sofware including ChiliSoft ASP, PHP4, Perl, InterBase and Postgre SQL. Plus, you can also run you own name servers from this machine.

Omg, does that mean you can't run a DNS Server on the BSD :eek2:

The whole thing is very weird.

BIND takes about 30 seconds to enable on BSD. PHP and mySQL take another 5 minutes to install if you do a source compile. I'm sure it takes even less if you use a precompiled version.

The weirdest thing about this is that Plesk comes with intergrated PHP (correct me if i'm wrong) and they charge $200 for an installation?!

Aloha,
Kiwi was curious about that also maybe if ya get Plesk they have to install PHP I know there is a flat fee for the plesk so it seems they do not also ding ya $200 extra for plesk ??
curious if they are going to do the upgrade for plesk 2. when it is official

Kiwi, if I may offer an opinion, I would learn how to set up your server. You need to know these things. Even if you get someone to install stuff on your dedicated server to start with - you should have a go at replicating the software setup on a local development machine. You may well stuff things up a few times, but document everything you do and when you have done it right you will have documented what you need to know to do the same things in future on your remote dedicated server. (You need to document as you go because you will not remember everything :p). I suggest this because at some stage you are going to have to update and recompile this or that or add something else.

freakysid: I know how to install software on Unix/Linux ;) Its just that eFreeServers didn't make any sense after i called them twice. If they custom order the servers from Dell, i don't see why they can't order a 'clean' server.

This is what i got this afternoon:
The Dell (Redhat 7.0) server is not DNS enabled. This means you will not be able to run name servers from this machine. It only comes with PHP. Also, you cannot install Plesk on this server because 1) Plesk requires a clean install in order to work and Dell has already install many of its own applications which will interfere with Plesk.

Then with the BSD Server, they say that they charge an additional $200 to install PHP4 ...even when PHP4 comes intergrated in Plesk :rolleyes:

Then with the BSD Server, they say that they charge an additional $200 to install PHP4 ...even when PHP4 comes intergrated in Plesk :rolleyes:

I think they say $200 thinking you would not have chosen the plesk option since plesk is an extra fee
that is how I read it
maybe ??

seems they get the servers from dell and they do not touch em just installem run the quick setup program and that is it ??
this is my guess at least so that is why they would not have the other available

Yeah, they probably get the ready-to-run servers from Dell ...i thought Dell comes with an installation Disc :bomb:

Aloha
yeah it has two disks I think
I got one of the ubid ones so it had no os ??

but they have a disk you run to configure it
forgot what they called it quick run or something
to get all the ip setup etc...
then a reg boot disk
I know they have there stuff custom configured
so I dl the stuff for redhat have had not time to play with it though seeing if I install the dell app server stuff it will be like there demo servers online ???


the dns thing is curious for me as not sure where I would run the dns out of then was going to try one of there dell NT ones but not DNS
hmmmmm

You would need a 2nd server for the DNS or use their DNS Servers i guess.

Aloha
yeah thought of setting up the dns using win2k if I got it but have to play with it more to learn it seems like I could install it on a win2k server from dell maybe.

do they offer dns servers ???
I thought they did not offer dns so you would have to figure it out on your onw kind of thing

in asking about there win2k machines this is one response I have gotten from them
As for product information on the Dell W2K server, I recommend that you
visit
http://www.dell.com/us/en/esg/topics/esg_pwrap_webmain_servers_3_pwrap_web120.htm
for the specs. You'll need to install a separate mail server such as MS
IMail to allow users the ability to send and receive email. In term of
DNS, this Dell W2K does not come install with that capability so you'll
need to use third-parties such as http://www.mydns.com/ or
http://easydns.com/.

I hope the aforementioned answers are what you're looking for. Let me know
if you need anything else.

so was thinking of maybe taking this other dell server I have and making it a mail and dns box with MySQL maybe might be cool to have a dedicated mail and DB box anyway

kinda a pain though but
got to try to get ahold of Dell (not fun ) and ask em about the dns on one of there dellappservers

take it you are looking at hte BSD one or a redhat though

do you know who makes that freebsd box they offer ???
I can only seem to find trails to ACER ?? was curious if you knew ( I never asked efreeservers that so no biggy)

so what would you do about dns issues ??

install bind or run form a dns server somewhre else or a service ??

All versions of BSD should be able to run DNS (bind). It should take about 30 seconds to enable.

Same with RedHat.

The truth is that you CAN run bind form either of these machines, but the Dell Power.App.web interface is not setup to provide DNS services.

ahah, 200$ to type
'cd /usr/ports/database/mysql/'
'make install'
and then watch everything install by itself.

I guess/hope they include some support, like they show you how to use/administer mysql maybe.


Cedric

Originally posted by smash
ahah, 200$ to type
'cd /usr/ports/database/mysql/'
'make install'
and then watch everything install by itself.

I guess/hope they include some support, like they show you how to use/administer mysql maybe.


Cedric

I asked the same & got this reply:



Please note that EFS, first and foremost, is a bandwidth server. This means all server administration and management issues are
your responsibility.

:rolleyes:

They are allowed to charge whatever they want. They're offering the servers and bandwidth for so cheap, they have to make money some how. If you think they take to much to install a software for you, then get someone else to do it!

In my opinion they don't have enough resources to install software for their customers. I don't think this is bad customer support, it's another strategie and they said you that they offer bandwidth servers.
The price is that high because they offer something they don't want to offer but they have to offer it.
If you want to have your own dedicated server you should able to install, configure and administrate all software you need to run your website.

And you can run DNS on every computer connected to the internet.

- domi