this country is founded on free speach and these message boards like this one with 2000 moderators running around deleting everything that they dont like is nothing but a totally censored unamerican oppressed enviornment. it stuns me that EVERY time I post something that someone else might not like BAM I get "reported" to the "moderators/oppresionists". free speach is the absolute pinacle of the difference between freedom and oppression not to mention the absolute key ingredient of open exchanges and discussions. how many minutes before this post is deleted?

i would say not very long, because there is no section for "bitching complaints" and this is definetly not the section it would go under

what the hell is "speach"?

Free speech does not apply to privately owned message boards.

In the rules, spamming, advertising (outside the advert forums), fighting, harrassing, or rude posts are disallowed. Several members report posts like that, especially when a thread turns into entire discussions that are harrassing, fighting, or rude.

mikey, your 'free speech' ends when you enter someone elses property....this board is not under any free speech restrictions.

I don't think you're going to get much support for your Free Speech argument on this private forum.

this post was just deleted by the oppressionists I suggest that people boycott forums which dont allow freedom of speach.

this country is founded on free speach and these message boards like this one with 2000 moderators running around deleting everything that they dont like is nothing but a totally censored unamerican oppressed enviornment. it stuns me that EVERY time I post something that someone else might not like BAM I get "reported" to the "moderators/oppresionists". free speach is the absolute pinacle of the difference between freedom and oppression not to mention the absolute key ingredient of open exchanges and discussions. how many minutes before this post is deleted?

Originally posted by mikey2k4
how many minutes before this post is deleted?
Gee, such a controversial post too. *yawns* :rolleyes:

please refill your prescription for adderall and / or stop posting

This post hasn't been deleted, yet you spam the forum with multiple threads.

:rolleyes:

Actually on this board, you agreed to the terms of service, which waived your right to Freedom of Speech.

Originally posted by mikey2k4
this post was just deleted by the oppressionists I suggest that people boycott forums which dont allow freedom of speach.
Then leave. Pretty simple. :)

Originally posted by living_media
This post hasn't been deleted, yet you spam the forum with multiple threads.

:rolleyes: Threads merged. One more and he's outa here.

this post was just deleted by the oppressionists I suggest that people boycott forums which dont allow freedom of speach.

If you feel this way, why not start by leaving yourself?

EDIT....darn...you booted him:bawling:

No need for the long lecture to our "free speech" advocate.

Originally posted by akash
If you feel this way, why not start by leaving yourself? Well, he's gone now. But it wasn't because of 'this' thread.

:rolleyes:

Curtis H.

I like your signature. :agree:

Humm, although I do kinda agree with him, and yes this is a private message board, and I really respect that. But it really seems that the most harmless responce ends up banning me from a section of the board. Yes I know your not supposed to tell somebody to check their PM, e-mail, etc. But when somebody asks "blah blah, send me a pm or respond here" and you replay with "Pm Sent, our plan is <plan info>" and BAM!, not really something you see on most forums, but then again, you don't care about losing a member like me, because you have a lot of them.

I love Georgia Speaches.

If you know you are not supposed to do something...why do you do it? Your PM's can be set to pop up when you get one...do that and there is no need for a "pm sent" reply.

I know I know, stupid mistake, yet nobody told me about it till I was booted out for a "second offense"

If they ask you to respond by PM or email, then they would check their email or PMs I would think? No need to post it in the thread.

I'm just bitching.

Originally posted by t nadsy
I'm just bitching. Just say no, t nadsy! :stickout:

For god's sake.. if you're going to complain about lack of free 'speach' at least have the courtesy to be able to spell the words 'free speech'.

Good one.

What exactly are the mods deleting or locking?

Because last time I checked, they were doing a good job at locking spam and advertising threads.

And then common sense comes into play. Well some would like to call it politcally correctness. Ie; no racist or prejudice remarks, and definently keep things mature.

I wonder if he can read this :D

everything looks good to me, people complain we havent got enough mods, usually these are our good members then when the spammers and idiots realise we have so many mods and the forum is modded 24/7 they start complaining!

thats pretty much the way i see it.

If you knock people down until its impossible for them to do anything wrong when they want to then they will usually find a way to complain.

Like children really, you ever locked a child in a room for doing something they shouldnt do? yep, well they usually wreck the room, you take everytyhing out of the room, they usually make a noise to annoy you, then you sound proof the room they have no other avenue and nothing else to annoy you with, therefore they can only complain when you will listen, this is pretty much what the advertisers and spammers will start doing now since they have no other avenue!

Well Done Mods!!

XTStrike your 100% correct there really isn't enough mods for the traffic on this site.

i think our Robot mod (aka SoftWareRevue, you know the mod that never sleeps and reads every single thread) make up alot for the lack of mods, oh and anon-e-mouse

Infact quite a few of us are here regularly now luckily.

Im getting shouted at now by SWR for what i said about keeping Children quiet!! hehe

The people who report posts to us help tremendously as well. I just wish everyone would do that -- it's much easier to remove one post than it is to repair an entire thread after a couple pages of flames.

Originally posted by cperciva
The people who report posts to us help tremendously as well . . . . . Yes! Thank goodness for them.

And thank goodness for the Advertising Forums mods.

And thank goodness XTStrike didn't mention corporal punishment.

Originally posted by XTStrike
i think our Robot mod (aka SoftWareRevue, you know the mod that never sleeps and reads every single thread) make up alot for the lack of mods, oh and anon-e-mouse
SWR has 60 hours in his day over there in Kalamazoo though, so has time to read them all :eek: ;)

I tend to agree with a little bit of both sides of this issue. There are certain forums that should remain professional, but when a site has a 'lounge' that is filled with a bunch of personal business, it may tend to lead to some confusion. But this lounge is what may bring some people back as they can sit back and BS to their online counterparts.

I remember when I first signed up, I thought the site was devoted solely to professional help with all business-related answers and topics, but when I saw what was going on in the lounge, I began to realize that these guys were human like everyone else with issues outside of their profession. There was some freedom of speech as I found some threads entertaining. Then there appeared the start of the influx of new mods and some of those entertaining threads were being locked regardless of which forum they resided.

It seems like if there's going to be a lounge, then there should be some flexibility of freedom of speech at least in the lounge even if the business-related forums are more heavily moderated. This lounge is what helps build a community and if you gag the community too much, it may tend to cause additional problems that moderation was intended to prevent in the first place.

Something that I have noticed is that I tend to migrate to some of those locked threads out of curiousity just to see why it was locked. Whenever I see a locked thread, I DO like to see who locked it and why. I've noticed that many mods have started doing this.

The whole freedom of speech issue thrives everywhere. This issue seems to be fairly common on forum sites or even in real life. This is something we even delt some with on our college campus back in my college days. It is and has been entertaining and yet frustrating at the same time.

Note that the recent "influx of new mods" is only to the advertising forums -- we can't touch anything in the lounge.

I guess new by Alex042's standards is since he joined? In that time time there has been a plethora of war threads etc that were locked, even tossed because they got completely out of control with insults and personal attacks, as that type of thread does - no matter which BB it happens to be at. Since the war issues have eased, I haven't seen too many locked, but then I don't have a lot of time to visit there of late. :bawling:

hmmmm, free speech. Well, you have the right to write whatever you want, you also have the right to say whatever you want. If you're a born american which im sure the thread starter was, no one can take these right away from you. BUT, i wouldnt go as far as calling the mod's oppressionist or the board as a whole. I know in my life i have refrained from saying many things, and using different types of language depending on situation. For example, im sure everyone here has had a boss of some sort in their life time. While i believe the vast majority of people here are friendly dorks :) such as myself :), i know we have been pissed off by a boss/supervisor/superior. I also know that many of us would have liked to give a certain person a peice of what we were really thinking... but kept it to ourselves. Would i have liked to give my old bosses the big "up your's"? Hell,yes. Would i consider my boss an oppressor ? No, he/she is doing their job. And while i may not like it, its for the greater good of the company in general (hopefully). Anyways, these mods are doing a job, and while i have no idea what you have done to have your threads closed, im sure if you had followed the rules it wouldnt have happened. Think of it like this, your company can fire you for breaking rules, mods can ban you for doing the same. Are either oppressionist ? No, they have the right to dictate the rules of their establishment.

Originally posted by case
hmmmm, free speech. Well, you have the right to write whatever you want, you also have the right to say whatever you want. If you're a born american which im sure the thread starter was, no one can take these right away from you.

Have to disagree with you there. On a private forum that right has no meaning at all. You're a guest of the people running it. Play nice, and play within the rules and you'll be able to do whatever you want. Step outside the rules and all the assumptions of freedom in the world won't stop you being banned.

Greg Moore

I think you're missing the point completely. American rights can not be taken away regardless. That doesnt mean a mod cant close the thread ,delete the thread, or ban the member. He can say what he wants, but it will be moderated, hense the mod's on this forum and most other forums. You can disagree with it but its factual. Did you even read my entire post? you left out the "BUT"......

Try reading the constitution: "Congress shall make no law..."

Your right to free speech cannot be taken away by congress. That's all the constitution says. The constitution says nothing about whether Bobo the Clown -- or anyone else apart from the congress -- can take away your right to free speech.

by the way, here's the text of the 1st amendment for your reference:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Does that mean I can come up to Mr. Bush and yell F-YOU as loud as I can?

So long as it doesn't invade his personal space or prohibit him from doing his job, yes you can.

omg, im totally agreeing with you people and you have nothing better to do then argue for the sake of arguing....

Like i wrote before, you can say/write whatever you want on this forum, BUT it will be cleaned up by the mods and you could face being banned if found in violation of the rules... simple as that. Regardless of rules, no one here controls the fingertips or thoughts of another, and no one is going to be held liable for remarks they make on this forum.

no one is going to be held liable for remarks they make on this forum. That is not true. One can and many have been held liable for statements made on public boards. There is one particular host who has built suing into a profitable sideline business. The same laws apply here as anywhere else.

Originally posted by cperciva
Try reading the constitution: "Congress shall make no law..."

Your right to free speech cannot be taken away by congress. That's all the constitution says. The constitution says nothing about whether Bobo the Clown -- or anyone else apart from the congress -- can take away your right to free speech.

Hey - how did I get dragged into this...??