Mod Note: Thread about the glob@.com offer. The representivie inkhead, signup under la_hotchick and posted a flase review too, censor and ban, be warned folks!

******.com (http://www.******.com/)

Anyone had past experiences with it?

I don't get it -- whats shady about it?

Search is your friend :D
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1177125&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

When somethings are too good to be true, it usually is. :P -- probably sacrifice of uptime or support

Originally posted by Martie
Search is your friend :D
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1177125&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

True, I already did that, but most of it comes up as them spamming people, but not about their services.

well i would stay well away if they spam people, as spamming is the spawn of saitan :spam: :dgrin: :fork: :pimp:

Still.. one thing is one thing.. they could be very good hosting for all I know.

I have actually heard mixed things about them, however I do have a friend that swears by them. She says they answer the phones quickly and professionally.

The offer is pretty impressive, couldn't hurt to try them, I suppose.

Avoid them at all costs. Way too much spam.

Making a choice between too much spam and good service, could be hard.

But even if it's a good offer, i bet you find lots of webhosts that give the same or better service, prices AND no spamming history.

Note, a host that SPAMs could lead to some email you send out to people not getting to them due to the host being black listed in SPEWS etc.

I would highly advise you stay away from any provider who uses SPAM as a former of advertising - if you can go as far as even calling it that.

Even Rackshack surely couldn't support 50 gigs b/w for $7.50 a month?

"If it smells bad, don't eat it."

And note what rochen said about being blacklisted.

Ask yourself why a hosting company would need to spam?

If you have a stable job and control of your finances, do you have to rob a bank?

Chet

Originally posted by chet
Ask yourself why a hosting company would need to spam?

If you have a stable job and control of your finances, do you have to rob a bank?

Chet

Because there's a billion and a half hosting companies out there, and standing out isn't easy. :)

99% of what I have heard has been good.

Regarding spam, I would be willing to bet that it is affiliates spamming and not ******. The fact that there per sale programs boast heavy commissions , will get the scammy affiliates salivating.

Dave

Call them and ask many questions. Depending on how they recieved you and your questions, it should give a good idea.

And if it takes more then 30-45 seconds for them to answer the phone, stay away.

Originally posted by serious-sam
And if it takes more then 30-45 seconds for them to answer the phone, stay away.

30-45 seconds to answer the phone? For what this host charges and offers, I'd be surprised to get phone support at all, much less without any hold time.

What's really shady about them? They may spam like hell, their prices and offers may be too good to be true. But what really makes them shady?

Originally posted by Manga
I don't get it -- whats shady about it?
Ummmmm....... er, I don't know, maybe the "50 GB of Transfer" for $7.50 per month???

Most notably odd... when you consider their own provider charges 3 times that much. :eek:


Maybe that's why they charge "as low as $6.00/GB/month" (and as high as what?) for overages?

Originally posted by Jeffreyw
What's really shady about them? They may spam like hell, their prices and offers may be too good to be true. But what really makes them shady?

Well, what else would you like? A big, red "we're scum" banner on their homepage? :D

One of the disadvantages of doing business on the internet vs. in real life is that it's somewhat more difficult to determine whether or not the other party is likely to live up to their word. You have to take what you can find and draw conclusions based on that.

There's no shortage of hosts out there that have a long, established track record of honesty. If you have even the slightest doubt, why risk your time, effort and money?

I would say watch out, being that they are selling an account with 50GB transfer for $7.50 per month, something just isn't right about that. I did take a look at their page, and their other accounts seem just as unbelievable, though I can see part of how they might do it, a nearly $40 dollar set up, and big fees for overages most likely. And of course their must be restrictions of some sort, so read the terms of service and acceptible use policy.

I work for ******.com:

If you're unsure I would recommend you call us with any questions you might have.

We have a good track record. Here is a bit about our company:

******'s founder Ben R. Neumann is one of the very few people credited with developing and starting the low-cost web hosting industry in 1995 when he founded Internet Communications (www.icom.com) which he sold to Interliant [NASDAQ: INIT] in 1998 and is today owned by Interland [NASDAQ: INLD].

We stand behind our pricing, and have many, many satisfied customers

We are not blocked in spews. We did have an issue with a several spammers from a spam ring joining our servers and getting us listed in spews "blacklist". We were shortly removed.

About our pricing model: ( I posted this on another thread earlier about our rediculous prices)

I'd like to comment on the ****** "ridiculous" hosting offer. I'm currently an employee of ******.

It should be noted that most of the people claiming the offers are "ridiculous" don't have access to the datacenter directly or have shared or owned facilities. Most of you are through a third party who is through another third party and so on.

Companies who offer these great deals (most of them) actually do deliver on their promise. ****** keeps is pricing extremely low by negotiating directly with bandwidth providers and excellent opportunities to partner with datacenters.

Not only does ****** have the disk space, bandwidth, room to grow, but we also have a network setup that your average web hosting companies do not provide.

We provide exactly what that deal offers.

And yes we do provide telephone support. Most clients are extremely suprised at the level of support we provide.

We also have premium bandwidth (not cogent) as well as a "killer" network setup. Our entire setup is load balanced, and all servers are backed up nightly as well. We have a very redundant and sophisticated setup that rivals even the most expensive hosting companies. I'll try to get pictures of our network and datacenter uploaded to our site. Thank you.

FALSE REVIEW

After lurking for ages this thread made me want to post for the first time.

I've been with ****** for a while, and every time I've called it's been really great, especially since I was totally green to it when I started.

If you call them up you should ask for Court. He's always helped me in the past and has a sexy voice to boot, lol!

Inkhead,

I see nothing wrong about your company except for the SPAM. That is what sucks about your company and their is no justifiable excuse for the conduct. I was getting about 1-2 SPAM emails a day from your company before I tightened the procmail filters. Some days, I would get up to 5 spam emails. Don't do business with spammers.

I have no comments on ******s service..never used and never plan to use it... but please.. Inkhead, can you stop your company sending me SPAM?

When 4 pieces of the same spam arrive in my inbox within an hour of each other that I have not asked to recieve, well, that annoys me.

Thanks

Originally posted by la_hotchick
After lurking for ages this thread made me want to post for the first time.

I've been with ****** for a while, and every time I've called it's been really great, especially since I was totally green to it when I started.

If you call them up you should ask for Court. He's always helped me in the past and has a sexy voice to boot, lol!

Can you tell us what site/sites you have with them?

As far as the "Spam" that's something the marketing companies handle for us. I'll see what I can do, private message me your email address.

However you should be aware that ****** has never spammed.

The emails that get sent out are very carefully checked. We only do business with companies that provide opt-out emailing. Spam by it's very nature is something that you can't get out of. All of the lists they use were gotten from companies who's privacy policy told you about their sharing policies. The marketing departments have never sent a message to someone who didn't click "I agree" first.

If you've ever used your email address anywhere online, you've most likely entered it somewhere that informs you of their intent to "from time to time" share your email address with other companies.

We are 100% against spam. As far as targeted op-in emails, the biggest players in the industry all got big this way and through affiliate programs and mailing lists. Just FYI

Thanks :D

Inkhead... How do you explain emails arriving to me which are just sent through a catch all address? for instance, there is an email address listed on our website for personnel, which comes straight to me... I have never handed this email address out to anyone, and I have never used it in any form/signup.

The only way this could ever be collected is by a robot scanning through the site and farming the addresses off it.

Just FYI ;)

Originally posted by inkhead
As far as the "Spam" that's something the marketing companies handle for us. I'll see what I can do, private message me your email address.

However you should be aware that ****** has never spammed.

The emails that get sent out are very carefully checked. We only do business with companies that provide opt-out emailing. Spam by it's very nature is something that you can't get out of. All of the lists they use were gotten from companies who's privacy policy told you about their sharing policies. The marketing departments have never sent a message to someone who didn't click "I agree" first.

If you've ever used your email address anywhere online, you've most likely entered it somewhere that informs you of their intent to "from time to time" share your email address with other companies.

We are 100% against spam. As far as targeted op-in emails, the biggest players in the industry all got big this way and through affiliate programs and mailing lists. Just FYI

Thanks :D

Everything you say here is complete crap. You hired the firm you are responsible for the content of their advertising. You can't tell me that you are paying these guys money without knowing their methods.

Originally posted by blue27
Everything you say here is complete crap. Actually, one thing is true. I can tell you with no doubt that they do have "premium bandwidth" through Verio, Genuity or the like.

Everything else is very much debatable as they are certainly overselling and using spam marketing. Saying somene else spams for you doesn't change anything. If it's unsolicited, it's SPAM.

Originally posted by inkhead

However you should be aware that ****** has never spammed.

The emails that get sent out are very carefully checked. We only do business with companies that provide opt-out emailing.
We are 100% against spam. As far as targeted op-in emails, the biggest players in the industry all got big this way and through affiliate programs and mailing lists. Just FYI

Thanks :D

Standard BS reply... you hire spammers, then run and hide. Sick. I was actually thinking about using your company until I read that remark you made!

Just like saying I did not rob the bank, I was only the driver!

You provide the funds for the guys to spam. They don't spam for free.

If you are with the guy that robbed the bank, then you robbed the bank as well. spammer.

I'd like to clarify something:

First the company and affiliates that do business with us are required to use OP IN mailings and are not allowed to send out spam on our behalf.

Hekwu:

I can only restate what I just said. If you have proof as to otherwise I'd be happy to investigate.

I still stand behind the fact that we have great service offerings at fantastic prices.

Other hosts are always quick to complain about their competition ;-)

How many of you that received this spam email opted in to receive it?

I get the Gobat spam too, but I never get it directly from ****** themselves. The spam I get always seems to be from an over aggressive affiliate. I'm sure if the offending affiliate accounts were cancelled the ****** spam would reduce dramatically. But then again, so would the ****** sales.

I'm compelled to jump in here, and yes, I'm a long time lurker, first time poster.

I signed up for ****** about 2 months ago, and there are good things and bad things.

Firstly, they do answer their phones, and were responsive on adding a domain for me, all done within a very fast time frame.

They have online chat support, which is okay. Just okay.

I however, am EXTREMELY unhappy with the speed performance, and have not yet moved my site to them because of it. In fact, I have since signed up for another host, and written this account off as a loss, as I am outside my 15 day moneyback.

Basically, the load time of a site (PHP NUke, Mambo, pretty much any mySQL based) was terrible. I opened trouble tickets, with specific examples (old host, new host exact same info) and they escalated to court. After 3 weeks, they stopped answering my email, and to this date have not. I also started to get cut off during the chat support. (6 times) when asking about the problem. The load times are still not acceptable.

I do agree that you get what you pay for - and for pure HTML , this host would be good value for the money. They use Plesk though, and the performance on that is poor as well.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the comments, would you please email ck@******.com and Court will look at the issue.

Two things that should be noted:

We recently switched to cerberus web helpdesk from perldesk which was dropping emails and going extremely slow. I know for a fact quite a few customer messages fell through the cracks. We tried to send out a email to everyone to let them know.

You were most likely on "barbados" (one of our servers) we had two high traffic sites that were causing problems. We now have a separate rack dedicated to high traffic sites and all abusers have been moved off the box.

We also upgraded our mySQL support and installed newer, faster servers.

"Himself", email ck@******.com and I will have Court move your site to a more responsive server or check into spee d issues.

More on "spam"

The emails that get sent out are very carefully checked. We only do business with companies that provide opt-out emailing. Spam by it's very nature is something that you can't get out of. All of the lists they use were gotten from companies who's privacy policy told you about their sharing policies. The marketing departments have never sent a message to someone who didn't click "I agree" first.

If you're recently received an email from someone promoting ****** and aren't on any op-out lists let Court know at ck@******.com and I will notify him to look into the matter asap.

More on "spam"

opt-out email equals spam, because the wording of the paragraphs can hide what you are really doing, also it is probably set up so you click agreeing to the privacy policy with the fact you will receive spam hidden in the four pages of the policy, which while not technically wrong, is deceiving. Also once you miss opting out, you find it impossible to get removed from the list, not only that, if you try you end up on more lists.

Only opt-in email is not spam where you specifically click a box that says you will receive email if you want to.

Also, how do you explain Spam sent to addresses which are not pop3 addresses, but rather sent to a catch all address... Those addresses have not been submitted or used in any signups, that is guaranteed.

Explain that please.

Though I defended ****** in my first post, I must say your words inkhead have caused me to change my outlook towards ******. I have just recently added a host directory to my webmaster site, ****** is among the hosts listed. Thankfully this section has not yet hit google so my embarrassment is limited.

You may or may not care, but unless your attitude and policy towards spam changes I am forced to remove ****** from my directory.

To the members of the forum, my apologies for offering ****** a defense where there is none.

Dave

Originally posted by SROHost
Most notably odd... when you consider their own provider charges 3 times that much. :eek:

Ok but see, let's say they're paying for 300GB/month at a rate of... $10/GB. Now, they could offer 50GB/month for $8 because the MAJORITY of their users will use somewhere around 2GB or less.

Let's say they have only 50 customers. That allows for an even distribution of 6GB/month per customer. However, since most will only be using 2GB or less, the 5 customers who DO use 50GB/month will be taken care of. That leaves 50GB for 45 customers - probably enough.

Or something like that. Basically, the people who *don't* take full advantage of the 50GB/month will balance out the ones who do.

(Not that I'm supporting/defending ****** *specifically*, but I'm just saying that's one way that could be done.)

Originally posted by domainatrix
Ok but see, let's say they're paying for 300GB/month at a rate of... $10/GB. Now, they could offer 50GB/month for $8 because the MAJORITY of their users will use somewhere around 2GB or less.


I would say it is all but impossible to use the 50GB transfer with only 15 concurrent processes per month. If you use more than the 15 concurrent processes, an additional fee may be imposed.

that's one way that could be doneExactly, and that's what the rest of us call "massive overselling". That only works (at their price structure) when customers are cumulatively promised far more space and/or bandwidth than actually exist and then cancelled or heavily harged the moment they exceed the limits.

As mpalamar just noted, "the devil's in the details". Remember... you may get 50gb for $7.95/mo... but your first unexpected 10 gig over that will cost you 10 times that much :eek2:$8 per GB/month if not pre-paidJust because it's technically legal to oversell and make up for it in the fine print doesn't make it right. It is at the very least "misleading" to potential customers, though I guess you can say you deserve it if you don't read the fine print, right?

Originally posted by LightWeb
More on "spam"

opt-out email equals spam, because the wording of the paragraphs can hide what you are really doing, also it is probably set up so you click agreeing to the privacy policy with the fact you will receive spam hidden in the four pages of the policy, which while not technically wrong, is deceiving. Also once you miss opting out, you find it impossible to get removed from the list, not only that, if you try you end up on more lists.

Only opt-in email is not spam where you specifically click a box that says you will receive email if you want to.

He probably meant opt-in. Does anyone here advertise aggressively or is it a bunch of mom and pop shops? Let me drive around town and hand out flyers to all neighborhood businesses, then I might have enough money to buy a happymeal at the end of the week!

There are millions of users on the internet and millions of email addresses, an advertiser may buy a list and there may be some addresses mined from WHOIS or a catchall address that didn't bounce that someone may have typed in somewhere on a site whose privacy policy clearly says they'll sell your address to whoever. No one clicks the remove link (believe it or not, legit advertisers honor removes!) and then address is assumed to be valid. The list gets sold; rinse, repeat. Things are not perfect and sometimes bad addresses fall through the cracks. Does that mean people should stop marketing through email entirely? Don't be a fascist! Read the privacy policy the next time you enter your email address somewhere too.

You folks need to realize that there is a legitimate side to the whole email marketing world and you need to learn quickly how it operates because the last thing this world needs is a bunch of half-informed anti-spammers on an overzealous witch hunt. I can't stand here and watch you dogpile on the poor guy.

You may wish to visit forums such as the following to broaden your sphere of understanding:

http://www.geekvillage.com/forums
http://www.gethighforums.com

Good day.

Originally posted by LightWeb
More on "spam"

opt-out email equals spam, because the wording of the paragraphs can hide what you are really doing, also it is probably set up so you click agreeing to the privacy policy with the fact you will receive spam hidden in the four pages of the policy, which while not technically wrong, is deceiving. Also once you miss opting out, you find it impossible to get removed from the list, not only that, if you try you end up on more lists.

Only opt-in email is not spam where you specifically click a box that says you will receive email if you want to.

He probably meant opt-in. Does anyone here advertise aggressively or is it a bunch of mom and pop shops? Let me drive around town and hand out flyers to all neighborhood businesses, then I might have enough money to buy a happymeal at the end of the weak!

There are millions of users on the internet and millions of email addresses, an advertiser may buy a list and there may be some addresses mined from WHOIS or a catchall address that didn't bounce that someone may have typed in somewhere on a site whose privacy policy clearly says they'll sell your address to whoever. No one clicks the remove link (believe it or not, legit advertisers honor removes!) and then address is assumed to be valid. The list gets sold; rinse, repeat. Things are not perfect and sometimes bad addresses fall through the cracks. Does that mean people should stop marketing through email entirely? Don't be a fascist! Read the privacy policy the next time you enter your email address somewhere too.

You folks need to realize that there is a legitimate side to the whole email marketing world and you need to learn quickly how it operates because the last thing this world needs is a bunch of half-informed anti-spammers on an overzealous witch hunt. I can't stand here and watch you dogpile on the poor guy.

You may wish to visit forums such as the following to broaden your sphere of understanding:

http://www.geekvillage.com/forums
http://www.gethighforums.com

Good day.

La Hotchick and Himself

Please give us your website's URL/

I don't have a active site there right now, but for load time, you can try www.chadsplace.net/Mambo

****** has emailed me as a result of this thread and we are working through some things now :)

manmythlgnd spoken like a true spammer. Do you have a web site?

Originally posted by inkhead
As far as the "Spam" that's something the marketing companies handle for us. I'll see what I can do, private message me your email address.

However you should be aware that ****** has never spammed.

The emails that get sent out are very carefully checked. We only do business with companies that provide opt-out emailing. Spam by it's very nature is something that you can't get out of. All of the lists they use were gotten from companies who's privacy policy told you about their sharing policies. The marketing departments have never sent a message to someone who didn't click "I agree" first.

If you've ever used your email address anywhere online, you've most likely entered it somewhere that informs you of their intent to "from time to time" share your email address with other companies.

We are 100% against spam. As far as targeted op-in emails, the biggest players in the industry all got big this way and through affiliate programs and mailing lists. Just FYI

Thanks :D

This an all the other things I have heard about ****** have convinced me not to touch them with a ten foot pole.

By the way, do you guys have a policy for spamming the administration of another web host with spam email? Cause I have some with your name on it...

They are banned now anyway, when do people learn,

inkhead and la_hotchick have the same IP address, got to check the others now too.

btw: inkhead if you're reading this the ban is indefinite. :D

btw: manmythlgnd has same IP too.. guess it figures.

Originally posted by MattF
They are banned now anyway, when do people learn,

inkhead and la_hotchick have the same IP address, got to check the others now too.

btw: inkhead if you're reading this the ban is indefinite. :D

btw: manmythlgnd has same IP too.. guess it figures.

Funny how people who support spam are also amoung the most dishonest and sleezy amongst us.

They (Chris) emailed me wanting to pick my brain regarding my removing them. I responded with my thoughts, and rec'd a reply which was cut-n-paste, so I assume a few others got it too. The reply was really nothing more than an attempt to justify their email views. Of course there was the typical slam on the forum, he does not get that I made up my OWN mind based on HIS comments, not that of any poster.

Dave

edit:spelling

Originally posted by MattF
They are banned now anyway, when do people learn,

inkhead and la_hotchick have the same IP address, got to check the others now too.

btw: inkhead if you're reading this the ban is indefinite. :D

btw: manmythlgnd has same IP too.. guess it figures.

Hey Matt, please check Himself's IP too.

Thanks.

Yes, please do. Because I complained about them and all. You are right, I must work for them. Nice place you have here, I post , and the accusastions fly.

Thanks, and good bye.