Just wanted to let you guys know about this webhost billing software: http://www.solutionroad.com/webhost5.html :D

And no, i'm not affiliated with them!

UBERSMITH is the way to go, www.ubersmith.com

I looked at the other guys, it is very very very very basic, with very little report/sorting features.

I have to agree with Jayglate... Ubersmith (http://ubersmith.com) is a great program with MANY features. Including customers being able to view their bill online etc..

well.. I saw their demo... and I think ubersmith is still the best. But I'm still waiting for BillAdmin new version for comparison.. hehehe.. :)

The new version of BillAdmin will be in NocSoft, the new version of Cpanel.

WHNBilling is working great for us.

I am not sure how many of these produsts will be compatible with NOCSoft (DarkOrb Cpanel 4.0).
I highly doubt the ones that claim CPanel compatibility will work....as NOCSoft will have it's own billing system w/realtime processing built into it, and probably will be designed to not work with other products.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Got an ETA for NOCSoft? I'll take any kinda date... just something rather then nothing. :)

3rd Quarter 2001....probably mid/late-August.

Sean R.
BurstNET

Ubersmith all the way!
We have only had it for a few days and i love it already :D

YOu have to run ubersmith on their servers right??? you cant d/l it and put it on your own server??

www.eastwright.com

all the info you need

Zach
ICUServices

ohh click accounts online ;OP

Originally posted by cbaker17
YOu have to run ubersmith on their servers right??? you cant d/l it and put it on your own server??

Correct... it stays on their servers. I know one fo the reason is so they can update your version often, something like once a week. They also told me it will work with the upcoming NocSoft. Automation or something, you should probably ask them for more details.

DOesnt it concern anyone to have their customers information on a 3rd partys server exp. when that server is of a host themselves???

Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
The new version of BillAdmin will be in NocSoft, the new version of Cpanel.
Neat! I hope you're writing it - because I certainly never said that! ;)

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
matt@billadmin.com

Originally posted by Site5-Matt

Neat! I hope you're writing it - because I certainly never said that! ;)

Best Regards,
Matt Lightner
matt@billadmin.com

Lol... I guess my word makes it official then, because I am writing it! ;)

(Actually, you did write it somewhere, lol):D

Originally posted by cbaker17
DOesnt it concern anyone to have their customers information on a 3rd partys server exp. when that server is of a host themselves???

Didn't concern me much. But because of this, they have already begun to sell their hosting clients to their Ubersmith clients. They decided they didn't want to become competition in this type of situation. Knowing them, I wouldn't be worried much anyway... very professional people.

The fact that we will be building the billing system into the program itself will greatly increase the seamlessness that the system offers. Ideally, there won't even be separate interfaces for "account management" vs. "billing management" - something that has yet to appear in any 3rd party billing system to date.

:D :D :D

Note: He was referring to NOCSoft.

Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com


:D :D :D

Note: He was referring to NOCSoft.
I don't see anything in there about BillAdmin becoming NocSoft though. True, NocSoft will have integrated billing and I will most likely be working on it - however that doesn't mean that you won't see a new version of BillAdmin released.

Matt

Too bad...

Is there an ETA for BillAdmin 2.0?

Yes .. I am waiting for BillAdmin 2.0 also...

I've been checking billadmin's website almost every other day waiting for a news since you sent me that email .. Matt .. :D :D :D


Or at least give us a list of features, .. maybe screenshot would be a plus.. :D

Originally posted by cbaker17
DOesnt it concern anyone to have their customers information on a 3rd partys server exp. when that server is of a host themselves???

No offense to Matt, but Site5 make BillAdmin and they are a host - this doesnt seem to bother people so why should ubersmith?

You can download the details direct - there is no requirement to keep them on their servers at all.

Hello,

I thought ubersmith could be downloaded an installed on any server?

am I missing something here?

David

I believe ubersmith is ran right off Voxel's servers. There's no way to download it and run it on your own systems. Theres an advantage to this. When they release an upgrade, they just have to upgrade it on their systems rather than have everyone download it and make sure they update it.

and of course there are big disadvantages

you are at their mercy in every way
1. if there network goes down ... you have no billing solution
2. if their server goes down ... you have no billing solution
3. you are sharing the server with other companies ... so the more companies they have the slower it becomes for you
4. if they decide to charge more and you have been there for a while ... you don't have too much of a choice
5. you cannot customize completely ie add modules, etc.
6. Cannot easily integrate to systems on your server ie a control panel

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Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of the ASP model but in some cases I rather have the software on my server and this is one of those cases :D

David

Originally posted by diyoha
and of course there are big disadvantages

you are at their mercy in every way
1. if there network goes down ... you have no billing solution
2. if their server goes down ... you have no billing solution
3. you are sharing the server with other companies ... so the more companies they have the slower it becomes for you
4. if they decide to charge more and you have been there for a while ... you don't have too much of a choice
5. you cannot customize completely ie add modules, etc.
6. Cannot easily integrate to systems on your server ie a control panel


7. You have no choice but to utilize any "upgrades" or changes they make to the software itself.

With a non-ASP model, where you just buy the software and install it on your own system, you have the ability to choose not to upgrade if a newer version isn't to your liking. That's not an option on an ASP model.

For those of you who don't see that as a problem, I suggest you ask some of the Alabanza hosts about Alabanza's new billing program - you'll be amazed by what you hear. If you have access to HostCoalition.org, there is a very long thread about it there.

After reading about this issue at HostCoalition, I am very glad that I chose not to use Alabanza servers for my company. And it makes me even more distrustful of the whole ASP software model than I was before.

FWIW, we're in the process of implementing InterBiller (www.interbiller.com). While it wasn't designed for web hosts (it's an ISP-focussed software), it is flexible enough to do what we need it to, and the developer has promised some features designed for web hosting in their next release.

Jason

aaarrgggg I hate sites (http://www.interbiller.com/) that do not work on netscape .... lazy design if you ask me.
but I guess this is becoming the trend.

Okay I got past the NS issue and loaded up IE :)

it seemed a little pricy ... what new features did the developer say are going to be included?

thanks

David

Originally posted by Jason Ellis
[B]

7. You have no choice but to utilize any "upgrades" or changes they make to the software itself.

Not true. You can stay on a particular version if you desire. (however, given the fact that new upgrades offer backward compatibility with your data, and offer features and bug fixes that are of value to our clients, most clients enjoy and appreciate the upgrades).

Raj Dutt
Ubersmith.com

Originally posted by diyoha
http://www.interbiller.com/ it seemed a little pricy

$400 for a full-featured ISP-focussed billing package is pricy? I suggest you really do some research - I've spent over a year evaluating dozens of similar packages, and this is among the most economical I've found yet.


what new features did the developer say are going to be included?

He didn't give specifics except to say they were features that were being requested for better customer management from a technical standpoint, and some specifically for web hosting providers.

Originally posted by nopzor
Not true. You can stay on a particular version if you desire.

Thank you for clarifying. I guess my point was toward the ASP software model in general, and not specifically about Ubersmith. I should have been more clear in the original post. I'm glad to hear that you are offering the ability to avoid upgrading (if you haven't read any of the horror stories coming out of the Alabanza camp the last few weeks, you should - they're apalling).

Jason

Originally posted by Jason Ellis


$400 for a full-featured ISP-focussed billing package is pricy? I suggest you really do some research - I've spent over a year evaluating dozens of similar packages, and this is among the most economical I've found yet.


You may be right. My statement was a little hasty! I was still a little upset my beloved netscape did not work on their site. I will actaully give it the chance it deserves since I am in the need of a biling solution!

David