After reading a few posts recently I am convinced that the 'unlimited transfer myth' is simply just a false picture of something not possible.

Its kinda funny one company not to name names offers unlimited transfer to a select few. Now granted anyone can offer unmonitored transfer to a client pulling 50mb of transfer a month. Actually for the the low end sites probably most dont even watch them for transfer. I mean who cares what type of load balancing, CDN, or other toys, you physically can not offer unlimited transfer to someone, when there is a limit to how much transfer you get...

Even if you had a OC-192 backbone it still has a limit. I mean a OC-192 backbone is equivlent to about 5300 T-1 lines. Now thats a huge pipe, but has limitations. Or lets say you baught 100 TB of transfer. Now thats a ton, but if you were able to use 100 tb then you would have to buy more.


I felt that since there isnt a Unlimited Backbone, and the chances are slim that there will be, the unlimited hosts, should change to unmonitored transfer. That way, there one not lieing, and two its possible. But then again if you are pulling a ton of transfer and you have a unmonitored host, they eventually will start monitoring it.

Maybe its time to change the playing field and come up with a word that makes sense, doesnt paint a false picture, and well just works...

Thoughts welcome

Joe

I wish companies would stop all the marketing BullS*** and just offer reasonable plans with set limits.

if only more people could realize this and not by mislead by the stupid ****ing people who advertise Unlimited or unmetered

mislead by the stupid ****ing people who advertise Unlimited or unmetered

Just out of curiosity, what about those who get upset about unlimited bandwidth host and flame them, but on their site have "unlimited" MySQL, POP, aliases, etc...

Like so many have said. Nothing is truly unlimited, so why do some still advertise it? I don't think anyone should flame unlimited host, if they even offer something like unlimited aliases. Unlimited is unlimited. A lie is a lie.

Disclaimer: I do not agree with unlimited so don't flame me. :D

I have to agree with joe on this one. maybe I just read too many posts per day, but the word sickens me when I hear it used for web hosting. And UmBillyCord is right as well.

The word unlimited can be used in certain contexts, for example the car I rented on my vacation (what vaction?). I rent it for 1 day from 5pm to 5pm the next day, and my contract says, unlimited milage. Well, there's only a certain amount of miles I can drive from 5pm today to 5pm tomorrow.

Sure you can limit it by the nice and easy "too much resources" clause. Well, you figure that one out, because I can't.

UmBillyCord says, unlimited email boxes. Sure... it is the same thing, just that we know it doesn't cost as much as bandwidth so we ignore it. Really, the host isn't gonna allow you more email boxes than that mystery amount they don't tell you about so forget about trying to open and run yourhotmail.com for $10/mo 'cause it just won't happen.

I don't see anything wrong with putting reasonable limits on things and then putting a little '*' if you need more, feel free to request more and we'll see what we can do, or have an additional 100 be $10/mo.

Personally, if I'm on a shared server I want to know the host *is* limiting the other users so that *my* site isn't slow as a slug stapled to a board. I want to be assured that some bonehead isn't using 5,000 or 10,000 pop boxes on the machine I have my 1 pop box on.

Sharing a server only works if restrictions are in place. A host I know offers shared colo, a certain amount of servers on one line. No server is limited, and due to this sometimes your server is going to be shortchanged even if it doesn't use much.

I guess this happens to a degree with any shared server, and the blanket resources clause is supposed to take care of this. I don't know if it always does though when you set the expectations so high.

Part of it is common sense. Can you run unliimited email addresses on a single dedicated server, no matter how powerful? Nope.

Blah, make me want to :sickface:

It is a bad term used to explain a feature. A new word is needed that means, "We're not gonna limit you unless it becomes a problem". I don't think 'unlimited' conveys that well enough.

my hosting company is switching our plans to 800megs of space, and 45gigs of bandwidth starting this july. Im not advertising, i'm just saying that we too know that unlimited is not existent, but there is unmonitored. Either way it isnt a good way of doing business.

Im offering GREAT UNLIMITED deal for a limited time:

Unlimited Bandwidth for $59.95/month

Facilitys: Large walkin closet in the unfrunished part of my basement, naturally cold, REAL log fireplace heating, with at least a 24 hour supply of logs on hand at all times. Bucket of water on standby with faucet close by for large fires. State of the art fire detector, battery's checked every 2 years on the dot!

Bandwidth: Copper wired 56k V.90 winmodem utilizing the latest in PCI technology.

Power: Modem hooked into a state of the art surge protector featuring built in audible alert. Surge protector hooked into 120v current. Power lines guerenteed not to be anymore than 2 miles away from onsite location.

Security: Use of deadbolt locks on all upstairs doors, and really scary poodle guard dog roams property at all times. In the event of entry by an unauthorized person, armed security will respond quickly, within 30 minutes guerenteed (takes me time to wake up and get the bat)

figures what YOU do at work all day mr. sales manager.

and by the way
STOP ADVERTISING!

lol

my hosting company is switching our plans to 800megs of space, and 45gigs of bandwidth starting this july

Wow! What are you smoking in SF? Are you going to do this with your "ALL THIS FOR $ 100.00 A YEAR " plan? That will be interesting. :)

PS - I don't like host who *borrow* images from other sites, but if you have to *borrow*, do it from *****. ;)

"We're not gonna limit you unless it becomes a problem".

Chicken just squawked the web host battle cry.

I completely agree with those who claim hosts should not use the word "Unlimited" anywhere, to me it says "Hey, we want your money, who cares about your quality of service, maybe the unlimited features are a lie, but who cares so long as so many ignorant people fall for the concept and give us their money"

Please don't flame for the term ignorant, it was the most polite term I could come up with plus at one time I was ignorant myself and learned my lesson :D

I do forgive some hosts that use unlimited for things like email aliases. POP boxes are another thing IMO

My question is this, there are hosts that have a setup so that anything@yourdomain.com comes to you. So email aliases are not limitable, I don't think, so how should those type of hosts word it? simply say "Yes its included" then in the feature detail explain their system setup?? Just food for thought and something I would be interested in hearing what you all have to say.

hmm,
wheres your quote coming from. Me, or any of my colleagues have never said anything like that. Were just not offering "unlimited" anymore. And we can survive charging low-cost because are income is privately funded by a local investment firm. Please dont flame something you know NOTHING about.

I was joking with you, but since I
know NOTHING about you......

my hosting company is switching our plans to 800megs of space, and 45gigs of bandwidth starting this july. Im not advertising, i'm just saying that we too know that unlimited is not existent, but there is unmonitored. Either way it isnt a good way of doing business.

Is this you four post back??? I must be an idiot or illiterate. Sorry. I could swear it says what I quoted.

Also...
http://www.technohosts.com/index.htm

looks like these sign up buttons ...

http://*****.com/?zone=products/shared_unix_hosting_details


lol -
privately funded by a local investment firm

That to me this means your friends mom who may have some extra cash to burn.

:D

Also,
In some cases its good to remember that its not what you sell it for, but how many you sell.





I can sell hosting @ 400/year to 10 people for 4,000$

I can sell hosting @ 100/year to 250 people for 25000$

Our business plan based profits on a large customer base, not a large price.

And most people can afford 100$/year, as to a certain percentage who can, and is willing to spend 400 on hosting.

-Chris Gentile

Even though our new web site is in the works <http://24.116.34.21> Those buttons are not the same. Theres changes colors , while the button we use does not, I will not lie those did originate from ***** but tons of smaller web hosts use them, and a orange text area title "Sign Up Now" with a circle that says "Go" is not intellectual property.. And for the record I'm not under legal age. Just let it go. BTW tell me if you like our new web design:)

I'm still lost.
Where is your BULL**** quote coming from.
We never said anything relative to that quote. Please refrain from lying, Billy.

TechnoHosts, easy my friend. Look under the Chickens remarks. It says it there.

I could care less what do. If it works (the reason I asked) you may see us follow.

BTW tell me if you like our new web design

Looking good. :cool: :)

Look pretty cool IMO, just one question, is the body part suppose to be white?? I.E. There is not yet any content correct? Just checking because the main page is white for me in NS 4.77.

I like the top bar though :D

Originally posted by TechnoHosts
Even though our new web site is in the works <http://24.116.34.21> Those buttons are not the same. Theres changes colors , while the button we use does not, I will not lie those did originate from ***** but tons of smaller web hosts use them, and a orange text area title "Sign Up Now" with a circle that says "Go" is not intellectual property.. And for the record I'm not under legal age. Just let it go. BTW tell me if you like our new web design:)

We dont have any content on it yet, but your seeing it right. It is a white background. btw Thanks for checking out the new site.

So fossilhost and technohost are one and the same?? Didnt fossilhost stop taking new customers a while ago due some financial problems?

Ok Im confused now Sorry if this is off topic;)

Our web designer Aubrey Portwood was controlling fossilhost.com He was showing me his site and switched over the sites. You missed out on our new site. He will put it back on later. We are in no way the same:)

technohost, i hope your reply to my thread was in joking???

No I took you seriously.
lol
:eek:

I guess no since of humor

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Just out of curiosity, what about those who get upset about unlimited bandwidth host and flame them, but on their site have "unlimited" MySQL, POP, aliases, etc...


I think "unlimited email aliases" etc is a little different. Obviously the email aliases are limited by the disk space on the server... but on the other hand, they are also limited by a customer's ability to type them all into a webform (or however they are created). Since a user's ability to type lots of names into a form is going to be the limiting factor, I think it is fair to call that "unlimited" -- since the limit is on the part of the customer, not the host.

Originally posted by TechnoHosts
my hosting company is switching our plans to 800megs of space, and 45gigs of bandwidth starting this july. Im not advertising, i'm just saying that we too know that unlimited is not existent, but there is unmonitored. Either way it isnt a good way of doing business.

Mate...this and your other comments about your business model, such as "its not what you sell it for, but how many you sell" is all too common of a Fasthosts reseller.

You can't justify offering 45GB per month for US$100.00 per year. If you are doing this on Fasthosts, where your own domains are hosted, for the one fixed monthly charge you'd be paying there, then you'll simply become another "statistic"...and of course that would then be Fasthost's fault.

Gary

Holy off topic Bat Man! If you want to talk about TechnoHosts and their offerings specifically, please do so in another thread. It just seems like it is bogging down the whole point.

Originally posted by Chicken
Holy off topic Bat Man! If you want to talk about TechnoHosts and their offerings specifically, please do so in another thread. It just seems like it is bogging down the whole point.

I thought it was (reasonably) on topic...

But anyway..."Holy off topic Bat Man"...I like that. Can I borrow it?

Gary

Heh, so we might as well continue off topic for a second... it is Robin's line, thus all yours. Pretty much Holy <insertanything> Bat Man! works :D